McLellan says the government isn’t imagining a future of cool cannabis bakeries, bistros and bars

Tektek said:

HMMMMM,
1 person for each 5 kg produced?
Anyway, I hear pot is a major industry for BC. In the top 5 money makers?
I guess the corps want that money.

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It is a major industry... one of the biggest. But there are a lot of guys producing a lot more than 5kg at a time and they're doing it with relatively small crews, some of which just pop from op to op at harvest time. The 500,000 number of growers/support in a country of 35ish million (give or take, take given it was a while back)... yeah I don't think so.

b4ds33d said:

the only reason cannabis was on the liberal agenda is because they, like any political party, pander for votes. they could truly not give a shit. and like any good liberal, they'd tax the fuck out of it.

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Actually, this goes back a ways. The Cretien Liberals came within a whisker of legalizing weed just before they lost the election to Harper.

Gquebed said:

Actually, this goes back a ways. The Cretien Liberals came within a whisker of legalizing weed just before they lost the election to Harper.

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It wasn't the loss to Harper that killed it...it was Bush 42 that put the kibosh on Cretien's plans.

TheRealDman said:

It wasn't the loss to Harper that killed it...it was Bush 42 that put the kibosh on Cretien's plans.

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That is not what i understand. I have heard this before but nobody has backed that up. Maybe you can?

What i remember is that the Libs just ran out of time...

Gquebed said:

That is not what i understand. I have heard this before but nobody has backed that up. Maybe you can?

What i remember is that the Libs just ran out of time...

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google...2nd hit.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79492&page=1

TheRealDman said:

google...2nd hit.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79492&page=1

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And notice our good friend Annie McHate sprewing her vile shit way back then...lol!

TheRealDman said:

google...2nd hit.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79492&page=1

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Ya... exactly what i heard before. Trouble is that it is all he said she said. The "opposition claims"...

What i recall is that Cretien defied Bush and that administration at every turn. And why would Cretien cave to the US, particularly back then? Nothing to gain by it... and the US had no leverage...plus Cali was already well down the road to legalization of med mari.

The Libs just didnt have time to put the legislation together and have 3 votes before their term was up. Had they won that election it would have been the first bill to come up at the next sitting...

But the PCs won. It was all as simple as that.

Gquebed said:

Ya... exactly what i heard before. Trouble is that it is all he said she said. The "opposition claims"...

What i recall is that Cretien defied Bush and that administration at every turn. And why would Cretien cave to the US, particularly back then? Nothing to gain by it... and the US had no leverage...plus Cali was already well down the road to legalization of med mari.

The Libs just didnt have time to put the legislation together and have 3 votes before their term was up. Had they won that election it would have been the first bill to come up at the next sitting...

But the PCs won. It was all as simple as that.

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Maybe they would have had time if they ran legalization past our own Gov, before the US Gov? When the US threatens to slow down trade and individuals at border crossings and shit, that's not Cretien running out of time....that was him running scared!

TheRealDman said:

Maybe they would have had time if they ran legalization past our own Gov, before the US Gov? When the US threatens to slow down trade and individuals at border crossings and shit, that's not Cretien running out of time....that was him running scared!

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Again...that is a BS argument.
The threat to slow down trade hurts them more than us, which is why they, in spite of their threats, never make good on the threat.

If the US slows trade down then their corps suffer unavailability of the natural resources they get from us. (Wood, water, nickel, copper, oil and on and on) That supply dispruption pisses off US corps and they lean heavy on Wash DC and... guess what? Wash DC caves to the corps. Everytime. Because $ are the real power.

On the flip side we sell those unsold resources to other markets for bigger $.

That happened with softwood lumber, beef, pork, and a few other things while free trade was being negotiated in the 80s and they tried that tactic to bully us.

So. Cretien snubbed the US for 10 years through his whole term. Why would he have caved at the very end of it?

AND... Now that the libs are back in offi e guess what is top of the agenda? Legalization.... go figure...

Like you said, Cretien had already pissed of GW, and in return he used the US bully pulpit at his disposal to finally fire back some veiled threats. Those threats were enough political fodder for a Cretian to back off before the upcoming election at the time. You asked for facts, I provided them for you. You can choose to believe whatever you wish. I'm not going to debate the fact of why he backed off. It's pretty clear by all the articles written, that legalization of MJ in Canada was not going to happen while Bush 42 was in office.

TheRealDman said:

Like you said, Cretien had already pissed of GW, and in return he used the US bully pulpit at his disposal to finally fire back some veiled threats. Those threats were enough political fodder for a Cretian to back off before the upcoming election at the time. You asked for facts, I provided them for you. You can choose to believe whatever you wish. I'm not going to debate the fact of why he backed off. It's pretty clear by all the articles written, that legalization of MJ in Canada was not going to happen while Bush 42 was in office.

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What you call facts are the convenient opinions of others.

And Bush was going to hold off Canadian legalizarion while legalization was happeing right under his nose in several states at the same time?

I dont deny Bush tried to thow his weight around. But in this, just like everything else he and his regime had their hands in, failed miserably.

And the funniest part? That our right wingers still try to ride on the coat tails of the hilarious failures of that entire Republican clown car... who the fuck ever listened to Bush and his puppetmasters? Lol

These idiot politicians don't get the FACT that there is a culture to cannabis and it's proponents.
That gonna be a tough nut to crack...and I love every minute of their anguish trying.

The Hippy said:

These idiot politicians don't get the FACT that there is a culture to cannabis and it's proponents.
That gonna be a tough nut to crack...and I love every minute of their anguish trying.

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It'll take at least a generation of legal cannabis before the culture becomes normal. The older our generation gets (50ish), the more the real cannabis culture disappears. What will the world of weed be like without hippies? lol!

The Hippy said:

These idiot politicians don't get the FACT that there is a culture to cannabis and it's proponents.
That gonna be a tough nut to crack...and I love every minute of their anguish trying.

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True true.
But the culture doesnt extend to all proponents of cannabis. And that culture doesnt own cannabis. It was around for thousands of years before hippies came along and adopted it.

Jus sayin... cause sometimes it sounds like you forget this...

Cannabis is a PART of hippie culture. Not the only part.

Leave it to politicians to declare war on a plant,
Leave it to the rest of us to try to debunk their myths and lies.

It is a strange world...

TheRealDman said:

Like you said, Cretien had already pissed of GW, and in return he used the US bully pulpit at his disposal to finally fire back some veiled threats. Those threats were enough political fodder for a Cretian to back off before the upcoming election at the time. You asked for facts, I provided them for you. You can choose to believe whatever you wish. I'm not going to debate the fact of why he backed off. It's pretty clear by all the articles written, that legalization of MJ in Canada was not going to happen while Bush 42 was in office.

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That's how I remember the political climate. Bush was freaking over legal pot across the border. We were cursing the Yanks because we almost had it.

Gquebed said:

True true.
But the culture doesnt extend to all proponents of cannabis. And that culture doesnt own cannabis. It was around for thousands of years before hippies came along and adopted it.

Jus sayin... cause sometimes it sounds like you forget this...

Cannabis is a PART of hippie culture. Not the only part.

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you forget who fought for these rights the sick have it seems....

Gquebed said:

True true.
But the culture doesnt extend to all proponents of cannabis. And that culture doesnt own cannabis. It was around for thousands of years before hippies came along and adopted it.

Jus sayin... cause sometimes it sounds like you forget this...

Cannabis is a PART of hippie culture. Not the only part.

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Not all cannabis users are part of the hippy culture, but they all understand the importance the culture has had on cannabis laws and acceptance. If not for the hippies and the 'culture' they built around the plant, it would be shunned by society like heroin or meth. I was born late to have been part of the 1960's hippy movement, but I respect what they did. My generation wasn't as vocal, but have continued the fight and added our own spin on the culture. We may not own the plant, but we own the culture most often associated with it. Cannabis may have been around for thousands of years, but the hippies can take credit for where we are today.

gb123 said:

you forget who fought for these rights the sick have it seems....

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No..actually i havent forgot... i am one of the sick...

But they arent the only ones who fought. I dont recall Marc Emery being sick, but he has been one of the big proponents and movers in Cananda. I doubt he would classify himself as a hippy. Brian Odea is another huge mover in this fight. Surprised how many pot smokers dont know who he is when just about every single pot smoker in this country has smoked "his" weed.

AND... ever single person who has ever been arrested for possesion is a huge part of the fight and they are the biggest reason we are on the cusp of legalization.

Hippies may be a part of the fight, but they have been far from the most vocal. In my experience they prefer to just do what they do without much fuss and usually shun attention...

All walks of life have played a part in the fight and so i just get a bit irked when the "culture" is claimed by one group or another...

VIANARCHRIS said:

Not all cannabis users are part of the hippy culture, but they all understand the importance the culture has had on cannabis laws and acceptance. If not for the hippies and the 'culture' they built around the plant, it would be shunned by society like heroin or meth. I was born late to have been part of the 1960's hippy movement, but I respect what they did. My generation wasn't as vocal, but have continued the fight and added our own spin on the culture. We may not own the plant, but we own the culture most often associated with it. Cannabis may have been around for thousands of years, but the hippies can take credit for where we are today.

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I dont believe that you need be a certain generation to be a "true" hippie. To me, "hippie" is more of an attitude, mentality and way of life than an age or any specific group.
And what i said in my op wasnt meant to take the culture away from anybody. It was meant to remind that many others are a part of it...just as hippies are...

I mean if they were the only ones holding up the flame here we would not be where we are now. They are just too small a part of it...