Maxx PPFD ?

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Yodaweed said:
Ok that's true but 9 out of 10 times it's the opposite, too little height too much width. You will not up yield by growing vertically with a light that has a 180 degree directional radius. You will however gain yield by growing vertically with an omnidirectional light because it removes reflector losses and uses 100% of the energy.
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You're wrong on many points and a piss poor engineer.

I suggest less proselytizing and more study.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Budget Buds said:
Maybe he is space constrained horizontally ?
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I'm just getting twice the yield per square foot. Fuck- who wouldn't?

Yo dud in da weeds hasn't the first clue about lighting design and is making all kinds of incorrect statements.

For example, why wouldn't directional lighting work just fine to light a trellis panel vertically vs horizontally? Gravity? Bullshit! See for yourself;
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Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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ttystikk said:
You go right on believing that, then. You are arrogant and bad at math.
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lol I don't mind you calling me arrogant cause I kind of agree but I am not bad at math, I took mathematics as my minor, calc 1,2,3 , emath 1,2 probability , differential equations and discrete math all passed so yea I love math.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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David Abrahamson said:
One of the best vertical grows I have seen. People need to start looking at vertical space in grow rooms.
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Thank you, Sir.

I'm just quietly doing my thing over here- which happens to be kicking the living shit out of the yield per square foot of floor space of any flatlander grow big enough to need aisles.

The future is vertical.
 
optzulu

optzulu

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like you can see on the picture that strain needed more much more light thats why the production of bud is so low and leafs so much.
If you like to smoke that thats oke but general that just waist of time space and energy.
 
MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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ttystikk said:
I'm just getting twice the yield per square foot. Fuck- who wouldn't?

Yo dud in da weeds hasn't the first clue about lighting design and is making all kinds of incorrect statements.

For example, why wouldn't directional lighting work just fine to light a trellis panel vertically vs horizontally? Gravity? Bullshit! See for yourself;
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Careful you might get arrested for beastiality... With all those donkey dicks.... Good stuff
 
BobCajun

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Seems simpler just to stack a couple short normal flat grow chambers on top each other, with a small open space between them to keep the bottom one from heating up the top one. The vertical growing thing is a strategy to get around the disadvantages of the HID bulbs. It wouldn't really make sense to do it with LEDs. Why fight gravity when you don't have to? However, if you used the LED bulbs with the diffusers on them you could have a grow that's vertical on the sides and horizontal on the bottom. Those diffusers make it look exactly the same brightness from the sides as from the tip of the bulb, or very close to it.
 
MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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BobCajun said:
Seems simpler just to stack a couple short normal flat grow chambers on top each other, with a small open space between them to keep the bottom one from heating up the top one. The vertical growing thing is a strategy to get around the disadvantages of the HID bulbs. It wouldn't really make sense to do it with LEDs. Why fight gravity when you don't have to? However, if you used the LED bulbs with the diffusers on them you could have a grow that's vertical on the sides and horizontal on the bottom. Those diffusers make it look exactly the same brightness from the sides as from the tip of the bulb, or very close to it.
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There is no fighting gravity... The plants adapt and the light isn't effected... The point is that you can yield more per sq/ft of space with vertical... Like 3 times as much or more depending on how close you want to get
 
OLD MOTHER SATIVA

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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ttys..the one thing hid IS good for is 360 degree vertical..

btw you latest pic is slammin..

yoda[weed] does not seem to have any of his own led test grows to show..[but a lot of talk]..but he has a point about vertical hps..

its awesome done right..that said ttys you have used both and know that too..
 
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Shugglet

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TBF, all tty, did essentially is turn the room on its side. Nothing really "gained" from that perspective.

And directional lighting is obviously the least ideal choice for vertical growing because you cant utilize all the light how you would in a traditional vertical grow. (IE the light that would be bouncing off a reflector.)

Granted ttys setup is awesome. But he cant take criticism for shit and nothing will ever change that.

I personally just think its hilarious how full of himself he is.



Case in point: This statement by yodaweed is 100 percent valid.

Yodaweed said:
Ok that's true but 9 out of 10 times it's the opposite, too little height too much width. You will not up yield by growing vertically with a light that has a 180 degree directional radius. You will however gain yield by growing vertically with an omnidirectional light because it removes reflector losses and uses 100% of the energy.
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And this is the response tty gives, a steaming pile of garbage in text format.

ttystikk said:
You're wrong on many points and a piss poor engineer.

I suggest less proselytizing and more study.
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Please tty, point out one point where he is wrong in that quote. Also, you are not an engineer either, so might not want to throw boomerangs in a glass house.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Shugglet said:
TBF, all tty, did essentially is turn the room on its side. Nothing really "gained" from that perspective.

And directional lighting is obviously the least ideal choice for vertical growing because you cant utilize all the light how you would in a traditional vertical grow. (IE the light that would be bouncing off a reflector.)

Granted ttys setup is awesome. But he cant take criticism for shit and nothing will ever change that.

I personally just think its hilarious how full of himself he is.



Case in point: This statement by yodaweed is 100 percent valid.



And this is the response tty gives, a steaming pile of garbage in text format.



Please tty, point out one point where he is wrong in that quote. Also, you are not an engineer either, so might not want to throw boomerangs in a glass house.
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I have Yodaweed on ignore specifically because he knows some shit, but he doesn't know shit about COBs, thinks COBs compare to LED panels, and doesn't know the difference between incandescent HIDs and Electroluminescent Solid State Lighting. He really is educated well enough to a point, but there's a quick, steep, outdated knowledge base dropoff and he often demonstrates ignorance.
 
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Shugglet

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ttystikk said:
Thank you, Sir.

I'm just quietly doing my thing over here- which happens to be kicking the living shit out of the yield per square foot of floor space of any flatlander grow big enough to need aisles.

The future is vertical.
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The problem is, you using square footage as a gauge would be like an average grower calculating the square feet of one of his walls and saying that is his "square footage". Its misleading.

This is because you have simply turned the room on its side. Youre not using light more efficiently by doing it like this, if thats what you think.

What concerns me is this is shit anyone with any "engineering" ability could deduce in their sleep.


Also, I dont ignore people on forums for the same reason I dont confine myself to "safe spaces" in real life.
 
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