getogrow
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Im with you on that preference! taste is first , everything else is second or third.
Genetics are very hard to come by.... i HATE pheno hunting but its all we can do i suppose....
Matured airy colas, how come?
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Genetics are very hard to come by.... i HATE pheno hunting but its all we can do i suppose....
lusidghost
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I feel you. I lost all of my to-be-mother clones earlier this winter and my current run has been a pain in the ass due to all sorts of factors. I finally got everything stabilized and then found some nanners a couple of days ago for the first time ever.I wish I could get a choice from the seeds I've done over the last 5 years, it's not been a lot but there's a couple that were spectacular, at the time I was to busy with work and other stuff for a perpetual grow, now I think it's the only way, perpetual + a known mother.
My intensions were to grow either the white widow or blackberry while flowering 2/3 other strains so I was searching but still had some banked.
Due to circumstances my plans are up the air.
One strain has grown light and the other hermied, it's a messchalk up to experience lol.
It’s kind of funny to me. I’ll take the loss and keep moving, but damn. Lessons have been learned.
getogrow
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I have one pheno that just has naners ....nothing i can do about it..... ive had a couple strains like that over the years .....its not quite stable but its not viable pollen either so i just run with it. I see a seed or two here and there but thats rare.
lusidghost
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True. If I want to get zonked out of my gourd on one hit I’ll just take a dab.
Rurumo
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Since I've finally gotten my medical card (even though my state is legal soon, not sure the exact date-but the limits are the same) I feel like staying within my legal limits, which is just 4 flowering, and 4 "immature". Well, I don't care about perpetual harvest, so I what I do is clone my 4 plants before flowering, and then if any of them are spectacular...I mean, true keepers...then I will keep the clone as a bonsai mommy. But so far, I just keep throwing out the potential mommies because the plants I've been getting are just okay. If you know what a special plant is like, you don't need to pheno hunt through packs unless your goal is a special plant from that exact strain. All you need to do is clone everything you grow...that's it. Then after you harvest either keep the clones for mommies or compost them. Eventually you'll end up with some "elite" mommies and then you can start your own pollen chucking business!! Next year I should have my new room finished and my permits in order, then I will do some serious pheno hunting and breeding.
Star Dog
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I was quite excited/optimistic about one of the white widow but the nanners put me off, if it turns out that it's banging and no seed I will run it again.
I'd be happy if the nanners were blanks I wouldn't see that as a problem.
This is where lack of knowledge beats me, idk how long it takes for seeds to form and mature, I expect it'll be more than 10/12 days to form?
It would be interesting to hear from anyone that has bred seeds just to get a rough time frame.
Star Dog
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I'm delighted for you I really am!
I'd be happy with one plant, just enough to stop the fuckers taking all my growing gear, I could live with getting caught but I couldn't live with losing all my gear, for me that would be the real punishment!
lusidghost
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You can get a really good cut from a stable strain, but it's just going to be the best version of that strain. With a chucked hybrid, you can get something truly unique. There's a lot of value in exclusivity.
getogrow
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According to my chucking buddy who has the knowledge of a breeder.... He found it was much more difficult to make seeds then we all think. Of course if the pollen is released at the right time then we are fucked but if released at the wrong time you will get little to no seeds.
He has dusted a whole room with pollen to come up with just a couple seeds. By now he knows when to release it for good beans.
Im thinking your guess of 10/12 days is about right. its very close. I think i recall him saying two weeks from dusting. maybe 3.
Star Dog
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Cheers man that's interesting!
Yeh I thought pollen released earlyish would end in tears, I've only had isolated buds with a small number seeds and usually small cream colour that likely wouldn't grow.
True story... I went over to Amsterdam to collect f1 NL seeds, they hermied.
I was super paranoid about pollen being all around my attic and seeding plants for ever more lol.
The next again crop I picked of a bud omfg a seed
... It turned out to be 1 single seed in the crop. Yeh I know you couldn't make it up but that really happened lol.
getogrow
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once the pollen is viable , i have no clue how long it can last , so its surely possible.Cheers man that's interesting!
Yeh I thought pollen released earlyish would end in tears, I've only had isolated buds with a small number seeds and usually small cream colour that likely wouldn't grow.
True story... I went over to Amsterdam to collect f1 NL seeds, they hermied.
I was super paranoid about pollen being all around my attic and seeding plants for ever more lol.
The next again crop I picked of a bud omfg a seed
Yeh I know you couldn't make it up but that really happened lol.
The real question is: what did you do with the f1 NL cross you made ?
Star Dog
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once the pollen is viable , i have no clue how long it can last , so its surely possible.
I ground and smoked it, anything from a hermie wasn't welcome, I don't think it would have been viable but regardless ignorance would have prevented me from planting it.I've got a different view on the subject now after reading a bit here and there, they're not quite the end of the world like I once thought.
Previously the 1st sign of them and I'd have cut them down, they're not welcome but they don't scare me now.
Bukvičák
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Actually not really! I am looking for strong and clear sativish euphoric energetic high with no couchlook. Like you light up a joint, make 3 lungs and “wake up” after 30 minutes taping shits into mobile phone still holding whole joint in hand forgotten. Smell and taste is also important for me, I like gassy earthy taste of SSH or Amnesia. But you can do great tasting and looking bud actually doing just nothing in sense of high or the effect is just short lasting.
Bukvičák
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I personaly do not know any breeder...
Bukvičák
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This is exactly the same mistake what I did about my plant. She grew like a crazy, so have made the clones, kept them and she started to flower. When I saw her in comparism with others later I wanted to laugh, so slow flowering and stretchy biach. At the end she threw out nanners, than I wanted to cry. Clones given to friend after noticing the nanners. Told him what he should expect. After 4 weeks needed to attack him to keep me rest of one of his plant for reveg. Low yielding nannering plant which is Thousand times better than all of these shit seeds. Seeds are like people...
Bukvičák
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Oh you mean this. Actually the plant I decided to save and keep is original Amnesia from dinafem. Anyway, I do not think that these “breeders” are producing the seeds by selecting and crossing the best phenos. Do you?
Jjgrow420
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i have gorilla from dinafem
shes one of my top plant pics
anything ive ever grown from ripper has been amazing.
theres alot of pollen tossers out there but look for breeders who have been around for a long time and proud to show it.
Star Dog
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Idk what I was thinking other than it'll be easy enough for me to revege the 2 white widow in 3ltr pots, 10 is a different story.Omg I clearly didn't put much thought into that.
I never considered me having to bag and number each plant/bag individually then me and my brother then went through them testing/tasting them once dried, all in its a time consuming process.
Oh shit.. I've realised I am going to need a clone from each
Anyways I've given it some thought, the amount is irrelevant but not be ignored its primarily about finding the best pheno.
10x1ltr airpots, plants pruned to 4 tops, flower them then put the root ball + some growth into my clone tent to revenge under T5s.
That's giving me time to dry and at least partially cure and avoiding the headache of minding 10 clones/plants through the grow.
I might get away with 3 or 6ltr but I'll say 1ltr.
Have I overlooked anything?
Rurumo
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Pollen chucking is fun, but it's something I'd rather do for fun myself than pay someone else $130 per pack for. I would rather see more breeders preserving more landraces, and even selectively improving them, or, creating stable strains of their own, than see anymore fotm polyhybrid chucks. I know I'm old now that I feel the need to lecture my young cousins when we smoke together and they tell me their "fantasy crosses", which never have a point to them besides "fire X fire".