Matured airy colas, how come?

Star Dog

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You been changing the bulbs every other grow?
That's a good question, no I haven't?
The mh are new so I've no concern about them but the Hps bulb was blindly picked from a bunch of hps that had done 2 grows max.
I normally change the bulb for each grow but due to circumstances I picked what looked like the newest/whitest bulb, it could well be fkd but it did look the least used.
 

Star Dog

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Exactly, but the problem is, which one is the fire...? This you will know two weeks after chop. So keep all of them untill it hits the grinder, do not get fooled during the final flower and how do they “smell and look” just before chop. Final product is what counts.
Have you ever found when doing comparisons with phenos that you can notice/find qualities in plants weeks after cutting that you initially didn't notice, maybe it's just me?

Ideally I want them cured before i can make my choice, I'm 100% with you on the final product counts.
 

xtsho

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Nowadays, out of 10 seeds you will find only one which is worth the time and effort. Pheno hunt my bro!
If you have good genetics you shouldn't have to search through ten seeds to find a keeper. The problem today is that so many of the so called breeders are just chucking pollen. Strainly and instagram are full of chuckers. Which is why I just shake my head reading about people waiting for another "Drop" of someones pollen chuck. If you stick with established breeders that have been around awhile that are actually breeding you won't have that problem. Those jumping on the hype train for some strain pumped up on social media very often end up with nothing more than a simple pollen chuck. The seed industry has been compromised by some pretty unsavory and dishonest characters.
 

Bukvičák

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Have you ever found when doing comparisons with phenos that you can notice/find qualities in plants weeks after cutting that you initially didn't notice, maybe it's just me?

Ideally I want them cured before i can make my choice, I'm 100% with you on the final product counts.
Do not know if I got you right... I do not see too big difference between 2week old bud and 2 months old. Curing... maybe I just did it wrong or whatever. My goal is always dry it as slow as my conditions allow and than chatch it around 60% or less. Than air tight. Thats when the smell get heavy. If you fuck up jaring in right moment or forget to burp you can end up with shit inside this and that. So I basicaly burp when I take for joint. It can be considered as curing but I do not take care too much. If there is no quality or you harvest early you can cure and cure... the effect of the high of 2 weeks old bud can be a litlle bit racy, but its potency you just feel the same. I have noticed that its all about trichrome “stickiness”, you just want glue on your fingers after touching the bud. If it is quality, this stickiness is there in the day of cut, 2 weeks later as well as 2 months later when the buds can be considered over dried. This is what you asked or? :blsmoke:
 

Star Dog

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I remember when you got weed it was good/great you could stake your house on it, now you have to see it and smell it where previously I'd be booking it over the phone, it's a gamble buying blind now, the name has become irrelevant with strains and growers varying so much, how could such a fuck be allowed...
 

Star Dog

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Do not know if I got you right... I do not see too big difference between 2week old bud and 2 months old. Curing... maybe I just did it wrong or whatever. My goal is always dry it as slow as my conditions allow and than chatch it around 60% or less. Than air tight. Thats when the smell get heavy. If you fuck up jaring in right moment or forget to burp you can end up with shit inside this and that. So I basicaly burp when I take for joint. It can be considered as curing but I do not take care too much. If there is no quality or you harvest early you can cure and cure... the effect of the high of 2 weeks old bud can be a litlle bit racy, but its potency you just feel the same. I have noticed that its all about trichrome “stickiness”, you just want glue on your fingers after touching the bud. If it is quality, this stickiness is there in the day of cut, 2 weeks later as well as 2 months later when the buds can be considered over dried. This is what you asked or? :blsmoke:
No sorry what I meant was for me to find the best pheno it can take a fair bit of time.
When I chopped the last crop #5 was the best to begin with, that was my favourite but after 5/6 weeks I started to notice more depth to #2
It would have been easy to fk up by selecting on 1st impressions of them.
 

Bukvičák

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If you have good genetics you shouldn't have to search through ten seeds to find a keeper. The problem today is that so many of the so called breeders are just chucking pollen. Strainly and instagram are full of chuckers. Which is why I just shake my head reading about people waiting for another "Drop" of someones pollen chuck. If you stick with established breeders that have been around awhile that are actually breeding you won't have that problem. Those jumping on the hype train for some strain pumped up on social media very often end up with nothing more than a simple pollen chuck. The seed industry has been compromised by some pretty unsavory and dishonest characters.
I live in Europe. I do not know any breeders or people making good clones of weed I actually smoked and liked. Exept those on zamnesia just big seedbanks. And those are all shit! Only way for me was to take the clones before flower starts, flower them, dry and smoke, clones in the meantime give to friend to flower and than take rest of one of his plants and reveg because did wrong decision when saw the plant threw nanners in week 11. Now I have the plant I know she two times murdered all around but have to accept she is nannering. And grew some amount of seeds of different breeders last few years. It is just not what I consider good weed for me, when I smoke the plant for the first time, I knew I have found it. Every other different weed is just not get me so high as this one. Also someone can consider the weed great I can say it is shit doing to me nothing after half of my life smoking. Depends on person.
 

Bukvičák

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No sorry what I meant was for me to find the best pheno it can take a fair bit of time.
When I chopped the last crop #5 was the best to begin with, that was my favourite but after 5/6 weeks I started to notice more depth to #2
It would have been easy to fk up by selecting on 1st impressions of them.
I have noticed small change in smell after some time in jar, but never noticed that one weed started to get me higher that the one which got me the highest of all of them after chop. This?
 

Star Dog

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I'm also in Europe, you might have heard me whinging about the shite seed that available now, I can't take clones I don't trust anyone enough to let them know.

The seed thing afaik has been fucked since around 2000.
I used the same mother for around 10 years starting around 95/96 lost the mother (busted) circa 2004/5 and I had a break.
Since then I've had so many disappointing crops, I even gave up voluntarily, fk sake I actually volunteered to give up!
 

Star Dog

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I have noticed small change in smell after some time in jar, but never noticed that one weed started to get me higher that the one which got me the highest of all of them after chop. This?
I think your primarily looking for effects/potency whereas I'm primarily after flavour, the effects are a secondary consideration.
It's easy for me to forget not everyone is after the same thing.
 

The Dankstar

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Older bulbs can cause that its less power for plant to suck in HPS bulbs can burn out quick IME in past before my LEDs.
 

The Dankstar

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Were they both bought bran new how many grows? Lights don't go at EXACT same time but HPS you want to keep fresh for sure.
 

Jjgrow420

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I live in Europe. I do not know any breeders or people making good clones of weed I actually smoked and liked. Exept those on zamnesia just big seedbanks. And those are all shit! Only way for me was to take the clones before flower starts, flower them, dry and smoke, clones in the meantime give to friend to flower and than take rest of one of his plants and reveg because did wrong decision when saw the plant threw nanners in week 11. Now I have the plant I know she two times murdered all around but have to accept she is nannering. And grew some amount of seeds of different breeders last few years. It is just not what I consider good weed for me, when I smoke the plant for the first time, I knew I have found it. Every other different weed is just not get me so high as this one. Also someone can consider the weed great I can say it is shit doing to me nothing after half of my life smoking. Depends on person.
you live in europe.and dont know where good breeders are? i order most of my seeds from breeders in europe.
 

Star Dog

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Were they both bought bran new how many grows? Lights don't go at EXACT same time but HPS you want to keep fresh for sure.
No they'd done at least one grow, I've got a load of them in all sizes and they got mixed up so I didn't know which was which so I picked the one with whitest filament.

I'm going to replace all the 600s and bin the unknowns.

250/400w mh/hps generally only get used for a couple of weeks so I keep a note on the carton however it's not fool proof either.
 

lusidghost

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If you have good genetics you shouldn't have to search through ten seeds to find a keeper. The problem today is that so many of the so called breeders are just chucking pollen. Strainly and instagram are full of chuckers. Which is why I just shake my head reading about people waiting for another "Drop" of someones pollen chuck. If you stick with established breeders that have been around awhile that are actually breeding you won't have that problem. Those jumping on the hype train for some strain pumped up on social media very often end up with nothing more than a simple pollen chuck. The seed industry has been compromised by some pretty unsavory and dishonest characters.
I'm fine with phono hunting through some chucked hybrids when the breeder has elite cuts of strains that I'll never be able to get my hands on, let alone breed out myself due to time and space constraints. You can find some truly amazing phenos that become legendary cuts of their own. The trade off is inconsistency. If you exclusively grow for seed then it's obviously a stupid move, but one unique mother is all it takes to make the whole annoying process worthwhile.
 

lusidghost

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I think your primarily looking for effects/potency whereas I'm primarily after flavour, the effects are a secondary consideration.
It's easy for me to forget not everyone is after the same thing.
It's odd to me when someone purely focuses on thc. All pot is potent these days. Two hits of pretty much anything properly grown will get me high. Then I'll take a few more for good measure.
 

Star Dog

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I'm fine with phono hunting through some chucked hybrids when the breeder has elite cuts of strains that I'll never be able to get my hands on, let alone breed out myself due to time and space constraints. You can find some truly amazing phenos that become legendary cuts of their own. The trade off is inconsistency. If you exclusively grow for seed then it's obviously a stupid move, but one unique mother is all it takes to make the whole annoying process worthwhile.
I wish I could get a choice from the seeds I've done over the last 5 years, it's not been a lot but there's a couple that were spectacular, at the time I was to busy with work and other stuff for a perpetual grow, now I think it's the only way, perpetual + a known mother.
My intensions were to grow either the white widow or blackberry while flowering 2/3 other strains so I was searching but still had some banked.
Due to circumstances my plans are up the air.
One strain has grown light and the other hermied, it's a mess :-( chalk up to experience lol.
 

Star Dog

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It's odd to me when someone purely focuses on thc. All pot is potent these days. Two hits of pretty much anything properly grown will get me high. Then I'll take a few more for good measure.
Yes that's a fair comment I think but you can find the occasional phenos that can put your head up your arse, I like that but it's still secondary to the flavour, ideally I want both but it'll take some time.

It's also good to have something that you can smoke and still operate, I do a lot of fishing/shooting/walking with a joint something with a nice flavour and not to potent is preferable.
 

xtsho

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I'm fine with phono hunting through some chucked hybrids when the breeder has elite cuts of strains that I'll never be able to get my hands on, let alone breed out myself due to time and space constraints. You can find some truly amazing phenos that become legendary cuts of their own. The trade off is inconsistency. If you exclusively grow for seed then it's obviously a stupid move, but one unique mother is all it takes to make the whole annoying process worthwhile.
I grow exclusively from seed. Regular seeds so I can have both males and females to make more seeds. I only take clones to give away or for reversing to make feminized seeds that I also give away. I typically grow landrace seeds and I'm more focused on preserving the genetics than anything else. Too many of the original landrace genetics that everything else came from are disappearing or being contaminated by introduced hybrids.

Anyway, I hope you find that pheno you're looking for. :peace:
 
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