Marijuana Morning sickness, Cannabinoid Hyperemesis.

PlutonicChronic

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I'm new here on the forum not the site......Sorry for the lengthiness: Here's my 2 cents: I probably have this disease. My first "experience" with this disorder hit me in my early twenties. I was a champion mountain biker and rock climber with extremely low body fat. I was married and smoked quite a few b's every day. I woke up one night with indigestion and threw up and got in the shower to relieve the terrible headache that I had accompanying the nausea. I'd been sick plenty of times in my youth but the difference this time was I continued to throw up for two weeks. I was forced to go to the hospital. Iv's saved my life because my blood had congealed and the nurses couldn't pull any blood because it was so thick. I didn't sleep a wink for the two weeks prior to being hospitalized. The pain was EXTREME! No amount of pain meds or anti-nausea meds worked. Even a whiff of food sent me into extreme vomiting. Seeing any pic or commercial with a food image made me gag. I begged my wife to not cook on her lunch breaks. I threw up bowl after bowl full of acid, bile, and the water I was trying to keep down. I drank gatorade some because it tasted better than bile coming back up. My pulse raced at 120 bps. It was exhausting. I became delusional with pain and sleep depravation. I talked to God to ask him what I had done to cause this - no answer. I really thought it was punishment for drinking. The cycle was something like this: throw up, break out into sweats, then chills, then b-line to the bathtub. I'd bring a big bowl to puke in with me. I'd stay in until I ran out of hot water. Then quickly I'd dry off and get into bed. The heat from the bath would make me sweat and I'd lay there for an hour or so until I could almost relax and then, boom, serious vomiting would hit me so hard that I would barely make it to the bowl, sink or toilet I was closest to. This repeated the entire two weeks until and during the hospitalization.I was hooked to the IV tubes but begged the nurses to let me shower with tubes sticking out of the shower. They let me a couple of times. I believe I was in the hospital a week. My gastroenterologist was considered to be the best in my city….he was old and mean. I had upper gi scope done and other than swelling in my stomach, there were no ulcers or serious problems. My doctor discovered I had H-pyloric stomach bacteria that can cause ulcers in the gut. He treated me with what he called a triple antibiotic therapy. I was release and I recovered and fought back into shape (I had dropped to 120 lbs. from 155). After two or so weeks I had a follow up appointment. The doc looked into my eyes and thought he saw something wrong. Of course, I was paranoid that he was seeing marijuana use but no, he dismissed it and declared me "well". I had resumed smoking during the recovery…it worked wonders for helping me get my appetite back. Life returned to normal for two or so years and then the #2 attack hit. This time, being that I had no insurance I didn't seek medical help. I began to learn ways of getting through with enemas, hydrotherapy (baths/showers/hot tubs). These episodes would hit every two or so years. Generally after about a week to two of vomiting I could start the process of running water in at both ends to try to meet in the middle. I could definitely tell that there was some blockage, obstruction or kinking of my small intestine. It would take drinking about a gallon of water, all at once after putting two or three big enema bags of water in my rectum. It would feel like a dam breaking in my gut and the most foul black tar and diarrhea would come out. I would have to manually push the fluid around my gut with my hands to work it out. I would cry my eyes out with joy when the bowels would exit and I would drop from ten level pain to more like a two. I could tell the substance or chemical properties of this tar like bowel were very toxic because wherever it would be in my intestines I would cramp and have pain. And not just in my intestines, my rectus abdomens muscle would cramp so hard that it would look like a scene from Alien. Some of the things I tried: My first attack was nearly 25 years ago. I became convinced it had to be a liver problem (or at least part of the problem). I did a liver flush and passed hundred of gall stones. I passed one slightly smaller than a golf ball. I led a very organic, almost pure vegetarian lifestyle for most of 90s. I had a colonic and passed a HUGE tapeworm. I took neem oil pills to kill parasites. I could always get back into my athletics and compete at the highest local levels. I went to acupuncture school. I studied Tradition Chinese Medicine and became familiar with 350 Chinese/Indian/Native American herbs. I made formulas for myself and others (until mice got into them and I stopped working with them.) I received lots of massages and acupuncture. I practiced yoga and meditation. I bought out a naturopathic doctors inventory of supplements, herbs and extracts. I could list a lot of the things I tried medicinally but that would be ridiculous. I would still have an episode of vomiting every year or so. I had to go to the er several times for IVs. They gave a Xanax on one visit that was like a gift from heaven because I could sleep for a change. The IVs saved my life several times. Other that during an episode, I continued to smoke (and even during if it was a light attack). My parents live in another state. They were perplexed and seemed to think I was doing something to myself i.e. hard drugs or heavy drinking. In truth, I cut down further and further on beer and weed. They had not seen me go through this. I went to visit and spent the night. I was sober and not high and they could see I was healthy. I then had an attack in front of their eyes. About 5 in the morning my father made me get out of the tub because he was sick of water running all night . It was a typical horrific attack with massive vomiting. They were shocked. My brother had to drive my vehicle and they had to lay me in a van and drive me home. we stopped many times on the highway to empty the gallon bowl. Anybody who has witnessed my attacks has said they have never seen anyone as sick. After that, they got behind me a lot more. Family and friends would give me very powerful meds or tranks during my attacks (i never took scripts, pills, or anything between episodes unless it was natural or herbal based partially because my stomach seemed hypersensitive to anything dissolving in my stomach and I've always gone natural). We were all so confused how quickly I could go from 100 to 0 so quickly. I had to dissolve all pills under my tongue because of the vomiting. I cut out all caffeine (coffee). I then cut out ALL drinking for several years. I cut smoking weed, as well. Since this was about a dozen years ago I can't remember how long I went without both but I did. I really felt about the same as when I was using as when not (except I didn't need as much sleep). I assumed it was the booze and probably decided to have a puff instead. It seemed to work so I though the problem was solved and then boom, another attack. So, I ruled out the booze at that point. It never occurred to me it could be something in the smoke because usually your body will have an instant reaction to a substance it rejects. I then went to a local college of medicine and the did very detailed questioning of my condition. The doctor ask me about an hours worth of questions, many about my bowel consistency. I told him the closer I got to an attack the smaller the diameter of my feces would become. It was an indicator that my heath was slowly going south. Also, brushing my teeth would cause a gag reflex if I brushed my tongue. I would try to ignore it because what could I do? Laxatives and fiber could throw me into an attack I discovered. The doctor set me up for tests. Upper and lower gi, gall bladder scan, x-rays, ultrasound, etc. I didn't have to have my gall bladder taken out because I had done the flush (saw that one coming). I did the scopes on April 30, 2001. As I type, I have the pictures from the gi scopes in front of me. I had a normal stomach, normal duodenum, another section of normal stomach, mild esophagitis/erosion, a sessile polyp (removed), two sections of normal colon and an amebiasis ulcer. The amebiasis is a amoeba that causes dysentery. It kills 70,000 people a year. Now, this seemed like a more probable explanation of my condition. They gave me a powerful chemotherapy prescription to deal with it. After taking about 2/3 of the chemo, I was thrown into another attack (one of the huge reasons I hated taking any pills). I assume I had enough chemo run through me to kill the amoeba, Got through another one and got back to my life. Incidentally, I went to another doctor, an old bootcamp D.O. who would treat people for next to nothing (no insurance). He wanted a urine sample. I was so dehydrated I told him I couldn't pee. He told my wife behind my back that he suspected cocaine use because I wouldn't/couldn't pee. Ha! I told him I could squeeze a little puss out of the tip but nothing else. He determined I had a massive staph infection, the worse he had ever seen. After moving on from his coke theory he said he thought I had Crohn's Disease. I figured I had Irritable Bowel or some variation of it, as well. Then one day I saw a commercial for a class action suit against a pharm company for the complications being associated with taking Acutane, the drug I was prescribed as a teen for acne. I almost fell out of the chair. I quickly called my parents with news. What else could it be, right? People who took this drug had been having massive problems with their GI and had to have parts removed. It gave them Crohn's and IBD problems and some were awarded millions in the suit. I (of course) took the Acutane so long ago that I couldn't get in on the suit, but at least I had a plausible theory about myself. Acutane was developed as a strong chemotherapy. I didn't know that until I did research. So, I had been on chemo twice in my life and never had cancer (you see why modern medicine and I don't get along). The D.O. doctor died and my original gastro doc retired, I still didn't have insurance or a doctor. I then went through an unexpected divorce. I'm sure she was getting pretty tired of witnessing over a decade of my roller coaster ride and the financial problems it caused from not being able to work. I started dating and drinking again, the old wine and dine. I looked good, was healthy and had fun dating. I went for about three years of great heath. My parents assumed it was all caused by stress associated with the marriage. I started drinking more with the ladies and smoking less (didn't want some knowing I smoked and kissing is kinda a giveaway). I met a special lady after a couple of years and we've been together six. After three years I then became very very sick and had to go to the hospital once again. I broke down and went because I knew I would die if not. They asked me upon admission if I drank and I stupidly said yes. The nurse made kind of an "aha" sound and I knew I was screwed. They discovered I was in full renal kidney failure. This was very bad for me because I only have one kidney (from birth). They said my blood was the worst they had ever seen and every spec was backwards from normal. They assigned a nephrologist and he told me I would die. I said "bullshit" to myself and wanted water! He told me if I did pull through that I'd be on dialysis for the rest of my life and they scheduled me for three dialysis treatment over three days. They did one and I started producing urine and they were shocked. I was in for five days and three in ICU. The nurses were terrible because they thought I was some hobo drunk (having not shaven for weeks). I pleaded for them to listen but they scoffed and told me alcohol was going to kill me. At one point I showed my closed minded doctor a small light scar on my stomach where I had pressed so hard with a wood rod to try to get the pain to stop that it left a scratch scar. I showed her to demonstrate the main area of pain and that it was not an esophagus problem (they theorized that drinking messed it up and made me vomit). She wrote in my chart that I was self mutilating. That was a terribly frustrating experience and they based all this on NOTHING other than me saying I drank. They never even got me a gastro doctor. They did save my life but I'm sure they really screwed me on my med chart. They handed me a $35,000 bill and I went on my way. Now, after this hospital stay things have been different. I have some slight waves of numbness that go down my left arm on about a five minute cycle. My eyes have gotten so tired from sleep deprivation that it's been hard to focus. My energy level has been down. I went from an athletic lifestyle to focusing on music. I helped start a country band as the lead guitarist and started staying up late practicing. I theorized that if my health didn't improve that I would have to find multiple ways to make a living. I knew I might have to contend with a stage fright problem so I cut way back on smoking (was afraid of freezing up). I began to drink more because I started to have terrible problems sleeping and wanted to be loose to play for crowds. For the next year I had no attacks. Then I quit drinking and smoked more. Then came the attacks again. I actually started to drink myself to sleep because of the symptoms. My symptoms have been less severe since my hospital stay three years ago. They have been more constant, though. Other things: The pain and anxiety of the 10/10 scale attacks is horrible. The other peoples testimonies show me where their pain is in relation to mine. During a 10, I can't sleep, see food, smell food, or get comfortable I can't talk more than a sentence, my stomach pain is horrid, the back pain is just as bad, and I'm spending as much as 20 hours a day in the tub. My muscles cramp to the point that my hands gimp up and I have to use my opposite hand to jerk my finger straight. Any muscle can cramp at any time and constantly does. I become beaten down by charlie horses. I begin to lightly hallucinate, I set up stations on couches and beds and next to the tub with gallons of water, barf bowls and blankets. I can't focus or text, watch tv, or keep track of time. My house plants begin to die and I can barely feed my dog and often don't. I often ponder when other people would have thrown in the towel and killed themselves. I become highly manic and confused. After it's over it's a blur. At a pain level of five I'll roll around on the floor for hours on rubber balls to push into my sore back (my back feels broken). If I arch my back and hold my breath and squeeze my diaphragm and lungs I pass out. I've passed out on my couch and reflexively kicked everything of my coffee table, bong included. Interestingly, this gives a minute of relief until the blood goes back to my brain. At a level three I barf every day or so but it's mostly back pain that keeps me from working. I maybe take four or five baths a day. I can do short tasks. I take a bite or two of food a day or every other. I can maybe get in four hours sleep. As I type this, I'm at a level two and can watch tv, go to the store and talk on the phone. My level has not been over a five since my hospital visit three years ago. I can't quench my thirst and my mouth feels like cardboard. My taste buds don't work well and I shake making typing and touch pads difficult. I recently checked myself for diabetes and I'm ok there. Most of these symptoms are due to dehydration, electrolyte imbalance and potassium deficiency. The epicenter of the problem is about two inches above my naval. It feels like there is a softball sized ball of tension and pain there radiating to both sides but nothing has shown on an x-ray. I threw up today and yesterday and a few days before. I didn't work today. Even stranger things: Most of my attacks seem to be during cold times of the year. They seem to happen during dry spells. My feet are very important in all of this. If I step onto a cold floor I'll start choking and gagging. I bathe so much that I often am drying towels. When I walk out into my cold garage to do so I heave. I have to keep the perfect balance of clothing on to fight these differences in temp. Heavy socks work wonders when it's cold. Congestion seems to be a problem because of cough/gag reflex. Sinus drainage does the same, as well. Walking into any room with a temp change can cause this. If I dry heave even once or gag and squeeze my gut it is as if something is released into my blood that makes me shake and tremble. My veins disappear in my arms. My jaw completely realigns to where my front teeth start to touch and my molars wont at all making eating, even if I could, very hard and strange. The shift in my skull causes compression around my left ear that makes it feel like there is water in there and reduced hearing. My lower body feels disconnected from the top. I sometimes have cloudiness in my urine which I'm sure is staph. I've sat in apartment whirlpools for so long I've seen the seasons change before my eyes. I often practice taking hot showers and then switching to ice cold for as long as I can bear. I do this to conserve hot water, to pump blood around my body and to keep from sweating as much. Remember, it's about keeping my body temp consistent. Sex and female touch speeds up the healing process when I finally can. On a positive note: It has led me to an extensive look into my body mind and spirit. It has helped shape my career path. I look a decade younger than my mid-forties age (so I'm told). I have never been overweight. After I recover, my senses are superb, especially smell. My ability to think improves dramatically as does my singing voice, artistic side and guitar/music as if something that has locked down opens back up. I'm happier, joyous, talkative and very emotional and thankful to be alive. My anxiety drops and I slow down. I can eat anything and almost never have problems. I feel the way I was designed to feel in my natural state and I feel like I have extra perception. Then, I slowly start going south with constipation and diarrhea alternating. Why write this: I love cannabis. I think it has wonderful properties and has and will help many people. I do not advocate quitting if it is helping with pain or other problems. I have had great luck with it in the past, even while sick. I think breeding and testing and isolating its chemical properties might be huge in the field of medicine in the future. I am not a disinformation agent. I don't work for any agency and have been self employed for over twenty years. I am not trying to scare monger. I have nothing to gain anything by writing this but the sharing of information and the thought that it may help someone figure out there own puzzle. If you read the above, you should realize how many things I have tried. This disorder has wrecked my life. I plan to post this on forums and send it to doctors who might figure out what others are going through. That is why this information is so lengthy because I don't want to write this over and over. Dispelling some notions: I have only just recently quit. It wasn't until I bumped into an article like so many other have. I am going to use myself as an experiment. I hope that anybody that is curious can follow along with my progress. As you could probably guess, having known people who smoke TONS more than me and not have problems has led me to believe (in the past) that it could not be a problem. I considered smoke trapped in the stomach as a potential reason. I'm sure I have had some other theories but I can't think of them right now. 1.It is not a pesticide problem unless pesticides stay in your body for decades. I've smoked the full spectrum of weed but have not had to touch anything with a pesticide for probably 15 years and what I have had was almost all organic. When I was younger we mainly got Mexi stuff that probably did but the amount of cleansing I've done should have gotten rid of it by now. I'm sure veggies have the same pesticides.2.It's not exclusive to men. I've read plenty of female posts.3.It's a cumulative effect. I, for the last several years, haven't smoked every day. Probably .5 g (two or three hits before bed if I do).4.It has to be a chemical that is stored a long time, maybe filtered by the liver and released when the body starts to detox.5.It's not a choke till you puke situation. I've had attacks far removed from actual smoking.6.It is a morning sickness but it can be an all day for weeks problem.7.It's not a poor diet problem. I had better luck at times on a bachelors diet than a whole foods diet.8.Stress seems to coax it out faster but some terrible attacks have hit me while not being stressed.9.You don't have to smoke tons if you are susceptible to this. I used to but haven't for years.10.Bathing during symptoms is not an OCD. It's survival.11.I could be wrong but I don't think it's an allergen as much as a toxin. I've known/heard of people who were allergic to it and had instant reactions to it, even in it's unsmoked state. If it's not a toxin it still has to be a chemical that shuts down or squeezes the intestines in some people. Maybe the combination of late night binge eating coupled with a tightening of the intestines is too much for some people handle by morning. 12.I don't think it is strain specific. I have changed it up enough to figure this one out. It may be a chemical that lesser quantities are produced in some strains.13.People that are suffering with this are not kooks. It is very real. I can't explain the way the other testimonies and case studies have paralleled mine.14.People are not the same. If you don't have a problem but your friend does it shouldn't come as a surprise. People have lots of reactions to different substances. People have been killed by eating peanuts. What am I going to do now: STOP!! I'm going to give myself plenty of time to clear my system and find out once and for all. It's about the only thing I haven't tried. If it doesn't work then I guess I'll shift back to thinking it has to be a Constant Vomiting Syndrome, Crohn's, IBD or dysentery. I will have to keep looking. If I do have Cannabinoid Hyperemesis then I'll be cured and be able to help others. I am sure there is someone out there that has been misdiagnosed and suffering longer than me, but I am perhaps the longest case study of anyone who has come foreword on the internet. In conclusion: I just found out that others have been suffering in a similar way. I used to think I was the only one on the planet until three days ago. I was incredibly shocked. The kicker was hot baths. I guaranty (with no way to prove) that I have thrown up more than anyone you will ever meet. I have had more attacks over the last 25 years than anyone I have read about. I am so thankful to see some hope and to know I'm not alone in this. Please feel free to contact me if you have questions.
I just wanted to comment on another post saying that no one would read all of your post. I did read it all and appreciate the time it took to write it all out thoughtfully. People like this are who "CVCsufferer" who spoke earlier in this thread are looking for, not vague and ambiguous patient symptoms. Someone trying to solve a disease must be able to critically think, and ambiguous symptoms make critical thinking impossible- especially when trying to compare with other accounts, these details are important. I too suspect that I suffer from cannabis hypermesis and I will make a point to write my experiences out in the same detailed manner, but not right now I'm about to smoke a bowl lol. Currently my symptoms are not bad enough to quit smoking pot or throw up and I'm sick for usually only an hour max in the mornings and sometimes only 5 minutes, but the point is that I have cyclic nausea every morning and I am almost positive it is related to marijuana because it has stopped every time I take a break from weed, which has been like 2 or 3 times now. If CVSsufferer or anyone needs more detail I will make it a point to be more detailed sooner, but regardless I will eventually write it out. I suspect this might be another reason why (cvssufferer) you are not finding detailed accounts on this disorder because most stoners were going to do something, until they got high lol. Now off to roll a fat one lol.
 

gR33nDav3l0l

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I too wake up every morning and my stomach is churning feeling like i need to vomit and i feel that if i eat it will help it but dont eat breakfast to often....mine i feel is the pain you get when you are super hunry and u feel nauses
You might have gastritis, it often comes up after years of skipping meals, and/or excessive stress. Might get an ulcer too.
 

Solarves

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After sifting through this posting there are several things I'd be curious about.

First, all bodies are different and can tolerate various substances and foods to a certain extent and amount before rejection occurs. For example, too much vitamin C and you sit on a toilet. But then there are other aspects such as too much of a particular vitamin or herb may deplete other vitamins or herbs, thus you commonly see these things packaged or created together as a B-Complex shows, the array of B vitamins that should be balanced. Thus moderation is key, especially to people who may have a lower tolerance - at least until you definitely know the cause (still moderation is good). One question I have or would investigate is, does cannabis have a depleting effect in any way on other crucial vitamins, herbs, minerals that the body may need for balance? I began to suspect this aspect when I stopped smoking one week, after smoking everyday for 6 months (I'm new) and experienced some nightmares with a little night sweating which lasted about a week. These same symptoms can be caused by low B vitamins.

So each person may have a tolerance point and for some people this may appear to be non-existent.

Next there are underlyinig conditions that MJ can mask which can rear it's head when not "numbed" or otherwise unaware of pain, etc. These things can develop or be pre-existsing to your initial commencement to smoking. Such digestive issues could stem from a toxic liver, toxic colon, or a combo thereof. For me, Western medical was clueless but my Chinese doctor discovered an inbalance in the chi (Qi) between my liver, stomach and spleen. I drank Chinese tea for a few months to correct the issue (it was similar to what you described, though my nausea never lead to vomiting - I don't vomit. Only done that maybe half a dozen times in my life, 2 from alcohol).

Then there is the other factor of, when you do smoke, do you get the munchies and how close to bed are you when you consume them and what are they? I am much less inhibited about eating when I have vap'd, ie I eat whatever looks good. I'm currently experimenting with how to curb the munchies as much as possible as I am adding stuff to an already weakened digestive system that may not be able to handle the load.

Anyway, food for thought.
 
Im no doctor lol...we all know it's "virtually" impossible to overdose and die from cannabis but over dosing (over stimulating) our bodies to a a point that it makes us very sick is legit. I personally try to live by the philosophy that everything in life should be done in moderation (including moderation, lmao). It is fun to get high or stoned. But cannabis is a medicine, and to avoid ill side affects really should be treated as such. I think it's a great idea to lesson your dosage. Also, I wonder, is it ALL types making you sick? Because I get completely different effects off of each type...maybe changing your smoke and or sticking to one type instead of switching it up so often would help? Either way Im glad to hear taking a break made the symptoms go away!
 

megloid

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Hi there. I'm 19 years old and recently have been diagnosed with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome. I had been smoking weed for nearly 3-4 years and in the last year was smoking at least 3 grams a day, sometimes more, and usually using a bong. I still cant believe this is what I have but I have stopped smoking weed and sure enough am no longer getting sick or having any symptoms. I plan on waiting a couple months or so and then trying to smoke a small joint. Just wondering if anyone else with CHS has quit for a small time and then tried smoking a joint and if their symptoms immediately came back or they were fine? If I do end up being able to handle just a small joint then just smoking weed once in a while (once or twice a month maybe?) if that would be okay and my symptoms would stay away? I would really love some feedback so if anyone can help me and give me some feedback that would be greatly appreciated.

Also, i'm wondering if edibles would be any better or if they would still make me sick?

thank you!
 

endpro

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yea, basically his body thinks gluten is a bad idea and his immune system attacks it. makes him get very ill stomach cramps and sick if he eats the stuff. something that just started in his mid 20's. Now he can't drink beer, that would really suck.
 
69 year old Male here, post stomach/esophageal cancer patient (chemo,radiation, surgery). Been smoking 3-4 medical grade joints a day since 2009 to help with nausea and back pain (fractured #9 and #12 vertebrea lifting jet-ski). I too experience frequent morning nausea (never throw up though), extreme muscle cramps in hands, feet and lower legs. I read Snoker's entire post twice because of the similarity to My condition. I always cough when smoking or vaporizing and sinus drains like a river at times so I assume I probably am allergic to Marijuana but It is the only Med that helps with the nausea enabling Me to eat (lost a 100 lbs during ordeal) and helps with the cramps and back pain. If I load up on Vicodine then I get constipated and even more miserable....lol. Bottom line is even If I have CHS I feel Cannibus is the lesser of two evils. Without it life would be miserable.
 

boltsfan1904

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I had CHS for just over 3 years.
Morning nausea everyday. Every 5 - 6 weeks id puke non stop for days till id go to the ER to get hydrated. They always admitted me till I stopped puking. couple days to a week in the hospital each time.
At home only relief during an episode was a hot ass shower.
I went from smoking Mexican to only top top shelf. 4 months later is when I first started getting sick.
I smoked an eighth a day.
Was hospitalized 30 + times to get dehydrated.
I was diagnosed with gastroperisis. I had every test GI test done. They even administered botox to the nerve between my upper and lower stomachs. No luck.
They wanted to put a feeding tube in me. I wouldnt let them.
Then over 3 years ago I read an article in High Times about some kids claimed they OD on pot brownies. The article was saying you cant OD on pot but they talked about CHS in it also. They had a list of symptoms. I had every one. They also mentioned relief with hot showers.
I never stopped smoking. I used to do 30 bong hits a day. Now I do about 4 and havent been sick sinse. Gained all 40 lbs that I lost back.
This illness is very real. If you think you might have it chances are you do.
Either quit smoking or barely smoke at all.
 

docterdan

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Ok this is exactly what I have!!! i have smoked past 14years mostly daily,, but it got so bad I got so sick past 6 months I lost 40pounds in 3 months,, very pale, very very bad stomach pains,, constipated days on end,, nausea, very thirsty all the time(drink 2-3 gallons of water a day), arms go numb, legs go numb, stomach area has permanent bruising,, hard to breath at times,, black bags under eyes, cant sleep at night, stomach area has extreme pulse numbing arms,,,my family is scared thinks im dying or on heroin... i have been to hospital countless times these past months, blood work/test, urine test, mri scans, ct scans, gallstone scans,every freaking test possible & docters can not find what is wrong with me, they just say i have IBS & give me acid reducing damn pills every fuckin time!!!! )=<......I smoked daily past 14 years,, I would never smoke a lot at one time maybe few hits off pipe but of high grade strains, but I would smoke from wake up till sleep every around every 2-3 hours to keep a constant energy high, daily mostly sativa strains then before bed indica... & all these past 14 years or so I did feel sick in morning from time to time slight stomach pain with nausea, not much appetite, with weird bowl movements in morning then after few hours all faded n I felt normal after smoking,, so to avoid this morning sickness all these years I slept ALOT! & very late..

but past six months when I got really sick I smoked a sativa strain(blue dream) which I hashed & had ALOT of! then before bed I smoked a strong GSC indica strain....... & the extreme stomach pain was brought on by drinking alcohol (pain that was already there but not so much),, I would drink maybe 750ml of wine with 2-4 beers,, or just a six pack,, the alcohol seemed to dehydrate me ALOT this is why I think this stomach pain would come from so extreme,, Gatorade helped a lot & lots of water along with endless hot showers!,, then I tried antibiotics which seemed to relive pain, I felt normal could eat again, then smoked but pain slowly came back even worse,,, so my conclusion to all this after abstaining 3weeks then smoking then abstaing again month then smoking a little is that the weed is what makes me sick ALOT! it seems to take along time for my body to cleanse its self,, with all this thirst & Californian dry weather, cant even go out into direct sun without feeling like shit... this is a cannabis toxic poisoning & will take months for me to feel normal again after abstaining from cannabis......

I know there are people experiencing this same problem who are reading this,, if you have light sickness in mornings,, & if you keep smoking heavily eventually you will become very ill,, it seems to only effect a few people out of general public,, & I noticed it seems to effect people that when stoned got very paranoid(a sign of schizophrenia) & high off not to much bud,,
 
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SPLFreak808

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Wow, i smoke and dab so incredibly heavy that it would make the OP's name sound like a fairy. I do it for mental conditions, and in the last 15 years of being medicated, the only thing i noticed was the first few hours after i wake up feel kinda dreamy and sleepy, after a few hours and a coffee, back to normal. I have however, used to dab myself to extreme anxiety panic (arms go numb,lips go numb,extremly high heart heart rate,discomfort,cant stand without wobbling or "blacking out") many many times before i even realized what was happening, simply too much THC. Yeah, lighting a joint with a decent amount of CBD will take care of that quickly though.
 
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oilfield bud

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Wow ive suffered from the same problems FOREVER. I literally wake up every morning and puke my guts up. Ive stopped drinking completely changed my diet and everything.This acactually makes alot of sence
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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It's also VERY depending on what other meds u take, especially pain meds, benzos, any other nerve or anxiety/depression meds...

Also your diet, and possibly any allergies.

Not to mention your overall general health.
And especially whatever could you could already have issues with.

Only thing I notice and can back up is it tends to make me eat later than I should before bedtime, as that when I smoke the most too sometimes, at least indica type stuff that happens to give munchies...
Then I get heartbun/acid reflux and all sorts of indigestion, very dependent on what was consumed.

Add in ANY coffee, caffeine, energy drinks, pop, corn syrup/sugar(also your levels and insulin etc, anyone not just diabetec smokers) and u can get this stuff too tho along with any personal stuff that you tend to be sensitive to.

Alcohol is a big one. Add in any any u just made it impossible to say it's the pot.

Just one drink can kill enzymes, changes your brain effecting the Gaba receptors, which also r used by benzos, or sleep meds and stuff like lyrica and nerontin (gabapentin, pregabalin the generic name).
Beer n wine also dramatically change the stomach and how u feel. Beer I have more knowledge of. A few too many can effect you for quite a few days without you ever noticing.
Not to mention the severely over looked PHYSICAL DEPENDENCE and withdrawals and hangovers, even the slightest.

All is in play its too hard to say pot really does this.

The $$ for looking into this is typically somehow backed by people who benefit from pot staying illegal and etc too...

I have smoked for almost 20 years, about 16 daily. I just get mad if I'm out... Lol a slight psychological dependence I'm sure
 

BygonEra

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So I have been reading up allot of this condition for the past few months, I am 100% sure this is what I am suffering from. Please take this very seriously if you suffer from any type of morning nausea or stomach cramps you cant explain. Smoking makes them both exponentially worse at the time of the symptoms. Only a hot/warm bath and LOTS of sleep can make it go away for the day.

To start I am a young healthy male, early 20's. I go to the doctor regularly, work out, try to take care of myself. I have been smoking for 2 years and 7 months with maybe 10 days all together that I didn't get medicated. For the last 4-5 months I have been waking up with extreme nausea and stomach cramps. The nausea is to the point where I just have to sit down next to my toilet for a hour to hour and a half almost every morning, or whenever I wake up that day. I've become so used to this routine that I have to get up an extra hour before work every morning to compensate for the time i spend vomiting. I have been to two doctors in the last two months for this. One said it sounds exactly like a severe food allergy, so I went on anti-gens and cut out eating anything I was even remotely allergic to for a month and a half, did not help. The doctor then suggested my cannabis may be the culprit, its called Cannabinoid hyperemesis he says.... obviously i didn't want to believe that.

Next I went to my endocrinologist, I have thyroid issues so I said hey this could be it! Doctor does a blood test, stool sample. Both come back clean, nothing abnormal with my thyroid levels, no parasites found, nothing. Again my doctor says there is a strong chance I am suffering from Cannabinoid hyperemesis, I'm in California by the way, where doctors have been seeing this condition in ever increasing waves. My endo set me up with zofran in the hopes it would kill the nausea on days I had to go to work. It did NOTHING, this is what they give people for chemotherapy too.... It was worthless. The only other suggestion I could get which WAS being thrown around the whole time, stop smoking cannabis.

Its been one week since I stopped putting ANY type of cannaboid into my body and I feel amazing. No more nausea, no more vomiting. I miss getting stoned for sure..... but its just not worth feeling like you have swine flu every morning for 4-5 hours. I'm going to start back up in a few days time, but Instead of a gram per day I'm thinking half a bowl.

I just wanted to share my story with others because I have read so many of these story's lately. Its a real thing, Cannabinoid hyperemesis. If you have morning sickness, and stomach cramps, diarrhea. Its the cannabis.

Obviously this doesn't effect everyone it has everything to do with your individual body, I only smoked extremely high grade meds as well, nothing ever un-lab tested at at least 20% thc. Lots of concentrates tested around 60-85% thc, so the amount of cannaboids in my system was always very very high.
Holy shit. I have NEVER heard of this, and can honestly say I've never remotely considered it because I've always thought smoking helped with nausea (though it never helped me), but I can honestly say that I'm now pretty sure I have/had this. I would wake up every morning with what started out as dizzyness/lightheadedness, and would soon turn into flushing and extreme nausea... I'd almost always have to lie down for 20+ minutes with a cold towel on my head or I'd be vomiting. I've been late for work a lot because of it and thought I had gastroparesis (although sometimes I'd throw up nothing but bile/water).

I too have major thyroid issues and take a pretty hefty dose of Armour Thyroid in the morning on an empty stomach as soon as I woke up, so I always thought it was just that making me nauseous. Which was always a problem because I'd end up throwing up my medication...

But I haven't smoked for a little over 2 weeks due to an upcoming drug test and I've JUST now realized I haven't been experiencing ANY morning nausea. At all. And my routine is exactly the same. I smoked very heavily every day, usually oil/wax. I generally feel much better, although of course I crave it every now and then. I did experience some "withdrawal" symptoms for the first week (a lot of people laugh at the idea of that but withdrawal fucking happens with some people, fact) that REALLY sucked, but I generally feel much better now. I think when/if I start smoking again, it will be once or twice a week. I had no idea my morning nausea could be caused by smoking... sometimes I was totally convinced I was pregnant! Thank you so much for this post!!
 

Moldy

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I've read countless stories pertaining to this condition since 2007. I'm scared to death that it will happen to me someday but only a couple of times did I ever puke from weed and that was usually when I was drinking first. I hope you guys get it figured out. It sounds terrible and it really sucks that weed is the culprit.

You may be able to find a long thread on the norml website that was started 7-8 years ago. It had a lot of input from suffering people. Many would take hot baths to combat the nausea and sickness.
 

alexchs

New Member
Hi all,

I am posting to potentially help others. I am not anti-marijuana, and still very much support its legalization. I am just a concerned former user. I suffer from CHS and am still very much in the recovery process. I vomit several times a day, and have only permanently quit as of approximately a week ago. I quit previously for several months only to be unable to kick the habit long-term. To be honest with you all, I cannot even hold down clear fluids like Gatorade right now. My strength is gone, and I am emaciated. My skin is an unhealthy hue of yellow and the only thing that remotely helps is skin melting baths or showers.

My diet currently consists of Italian ice and Gatorade when I can hold it down. Unfortunately, as you will see, I was dumb enough (or had too much hubris, I should say) to not believe CHS was a reality.

I have been admitted to some of the finest medical institutions for research, including the Cleveland Clinic and Georgetown University Hospital. They both agree that CHS was a potential cause of my ailment months ago, although I was highly skeptical. I should have listened. I have spent countless nights in hosptal beds dehydrated to the point I vomit bile for hours. I cannot eat much of anything and felt at times that death is more comfortable than life. That last thought process is very, very sad.

I was one of the heaviest dabbers around; I would smoke easily 10-12 dabs a day for approximately a year. Before that, I was a heavy green user smoking mostly bongs regularly. The issue existed when I smoked regular weed; I quit temporarily about two years ago to pass a drug test for a job interview. The first three days after I quit smoking buds, my stomach felt full after even eating the smallest morsel. I was not able to keep water down, but after the weekend was over I was back to normal. I started smoking after I passed my drug test and went back to normal habits. A year later, I began dabbing regularly (I smoked about 7 years habitually.) With the dabbing came the serious medical problems. I had to quit dabbing to go on vacation abroad for two weeks this past summer, but during that stay, my body was absent of the drug and I became violently ill. Like many others, I would wake up with intense nausea and felt I had to puke - which I often did. We actually came home from vacation early to admit me to an American hospital. There, I was misdiagnosed with a failed gall bladder. I should mention I lost 40 pounds, was on a very serious drug with scary neurological consequences - it's called Reglan, and was unable to work. I lost countless thousands of dollars merely by the ailment alone. Naturally after I healed, I got back to dabbing - as any junkie returns to their water well. But then, again, about a month later the nausea set in again. This time, I had not quit but was using more heavily. At this point, a doctor told me initially about CHS during an extended hospital stay. As an avid fan of THC, I did not want to believe it but gave it some consideration. Still, I quit temporarily and within a week or so I was back to normal. I had to avoid fatty and fibrous foods and it would make the process easier. Still, I felt human again after two months or so off the drug. But then, my vice got the worst of me and I began to smoke with friends again. I assumed because I was able to smoke a few times and not get violently ill that it was a fluke on behalf of the doctors. Fast forward six months, and I am back to my sickly state. Thankfully, I have an alternative drug to use that I order online, but I should have listened initially. It is costing me dearly as I am missing crucial parts to work that could substantially further my career. I am weak and very distraught from my habits. I regret not listening nine months ago or so.

I like to consider myself a logical person, but my addiction - mental here - has proved to be an issue. My family has spent thousands of dollars in medical expenses and I have almost ruined my relationships with my girlfriend, parents, and siblings because of my abuse. Be careful what you put in your body.

My symptoms included: constant nausea, a sense of physical weakness from not being able to eat practically anything, headaches, and the sensation of being full after eating very little.

Drugs to consider as an alternative to Reglan: domperidome is the best.

Please, if you are reading this and feel any of these symptoms regularly, stop smoking and consult a doctor. I genuinely regret my stupid decision.

To any of your friends that say this isn't real, ignore them. They will likely tell you that marijuana doesn't have physical effects on the body. Then, why after quitting do all former users experience more vivid dreams? Why do people's digestive tracks alter when they smoke heavily? Why does insomnia emerge in those who quit? The consequences are real, and only you can decide what to put in your body. Please, just please be careful.
 

lawlrus

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I've heard this called "cannabis acidosis" and the concept has been around for a long time. I've never had this issue but do have friends who have complained of an issue that might fit the description, though it's tough to nail anything down with potheads as you may already well know.
 

Debby Jones

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hey there everybody. i'm new here, i just started the account because of this article. i think your knowledge is wider and more advanced than the doctors so you can help me better. i'm no mother-tongued english-speaker so please forgive me my mistakes.
i'm a 20 year old female and started smoking cannabis daily 2 years ago, i never counted but normally a few joints a day. normally i'm a strong and healthy person.
but now i'm suffering from a strange illness for one month now, which symptoms are very close to what you guys describe. in detail: morning sickness, nausea, most of the times i throw up, also stomach pains for the whole day. i became very sensitive to scents, too! especially the smell of food in the morning makes me throw up quickly. in general, i have no appetit at all, furthermore my guts hurt, normally i have allday long the feeling that i need to shit very urgently! like i'm going to burst! but when i'm on the toilet, i either let go only a small amount of non-solid shit (but no diarrhoea) which does not help to feel empty or just nothing happens. when i'm pressing harder i have the feeling that i'm going to throw up, so i stop...

it happens that that illness started when the semster ended, so i was in stress and did not ate enough. i thought alright, just need to eat. but it didn't help. i then thought it's the stress, so i made my university stuff somehow and passed the tests, thinking that all will be over when vacations start. then the vacation began and at first, i felt better for a week and i was happy! but then i got my period and at the same time that sickness came back! at first i thougt it's just menstrual complaints (which i strongly have) ...but after a few days they didn't vanish! of course i went to a doctor and he made some preganancy, urine and blood tests and a stool sample, but everything was alright. after two weeks i was so weak that he sent me into the hospital to stabilise me...they made an ultrasound and again blood and urine test...and of course again a pregancy test. but everything was negative. so i'm home again, feeling sick. doc gave me an appointment at some internist/gastroenterologist and some pills that are agains sicksness for chemotheraphy, but i shoulden't take them longer than 5 days.. but this appointment is only in two weeks!

i read in the internet and found that CHS thing...and because I'm smoking much and regulary, i think it's maybe possible that that's it. but what makes me wonder is that i have no extreme urge to shower hot or take more baths than normally. of course bathing feels good, but it always does when i have some problems with my stomach/guts....

no matter what, i thought i should stop smoking and see what happens. i'm one week cannabis-free now, but nothing changed at all. my question is: how soon does it help to not smoke? in the articles in the internet there is no duration mentioned... do you think it is likely that i suffer from CHS although i don't need to shower and stopped smoking for one week? of course i should be more patient, but not only that the 5 days i can take the helpful pills are over soon, but also these pills have strange side effects and honestly i don't like chemicals. i'd appreciate smoking weed instead because it helps against the symptoms....but of course am afraid that the weed is what makes me sick :(

well, i hope i described my sitatuion well and did not forgot anything...don't hesitate asking me! i'd be so glad if you answer me and tell me how many cannabis-free days you needed to feel better and if it stopped apruptely or gradually...
 
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