Making your own seeds

booms111

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When i choose a male i choose the weaker looking ones usually in veg. The bigger more vigourus growing males are less narcotic and hempy growing and i toss them before bloom. I like a male that is more on the recessive side. I usually bloom out a few males to see how big the male clusters form and if they produce trichomes and at what speed they do this. Ive only had a few males produce good trichomes and ive found those are the best ones. I just started some Vortex(TGA) crossed to G13xSD(Heads) i made couple years ago and the top dog in my garden is SilverJones which is SSSDH x Chemmy jones i created along while back. I give my crosses away to alot of friends to run for me as testers just like "breeders" do nowadays. So dont be afraid to make your own crosses its super easy and if you use 2 good parents that arent to closely related you usually get a homemade gem out of it that nobody else in the world has...
 
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qwizoking

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IMG_20140427_231301_833.jpg taping tying etc?
Lol well you do that, but I have 75 plants going at the moment and I have a full time job too...
I've bred it out, my stems are completely solid, now it will support 2lbs and I don't have to stake it and shit
edit..gotta love those 18 gallon rubbermaids
 

booms111

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didn't read...
Yea I make my seeds. I usually pop about 40 when looking for a good parent. alter the environment to increase odds of that sex. with most turning male, I rub the stems for my desired stench. I look at
growth structure and when
it initiated flowering as
well as how much it stretches.


I avoid hollow stems as a trait, they don't thicken and respond.d as well to supercropping, when my sativas get heavy they tend to crimp, collapse,and fall over.

making seeds is alot better than buying, been growing close to 15 years and purchased my first breeder genetics with the tude bday promo.. for breeding lol
Hollow stems in my book is a good trait. How would you like to suck water up a straw that is clogged? The best strains ive ran have hollow stems to the point they could be drinking straws. Im a tree grower with 6-7ft multitop trees with very minumum staking
 

st0wandgrow

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When i choose a male i choose the weaker looking ones usually in veg. The bigger more vigourus growing males are less narcotic and hempy growing and i toss them before bloom. I like a male that is more on the recessive side. I usually bloom out a few males to see how big the male clusters form and if they produce trichomes and at what speed they do this. Ive only had a few males produce good trichomes and ive found those are the best ones. I just started some Vortex(TGA) crossed to G13xSD(Heads) i made couple years ago and the top dog in my garden is SilverJones which is SSSDH x Chemmy jones i created along while back. I give my crosses away to alot of friends to run for me as testers just like "breeders" do nowadays. So dont be afraid to make your own crosses its super easy and if you use 2 good parents that arent to closely related you usually get a homemade gem out of it that nobody else in the world has...
No shit? Interesting observation. I'll keep an eye for that because I would have assumed just the opposite.
 

qwizoking

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while that sounds logical. my plants have always spoken for themselves

I didn't come to argue hollow vs solid. I've bred it out. it's my opinion that for me it's not desirable. I still yield well, still taste good, plenty potent an makes good enough hash for me


if it doesn't branch out and jumps straight up, it will be pretty hempy from my experience, I mainly grow landrace sativas too
 

booms111

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while that sounds logical. my plants have always spoken for themselves

I didn't come to argue hollow vs solid. I've bred it out. it's my opinion that for me it's not desirable. I still yield well, still taste good, plenty potent an makes good enough hash for me
Im not argueing bro just my opinion just as you stated yours.
 

kona gold

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I know what you're saying kona. I'm not saying I can germinate a pack of seeds, chose a random male and female and start chucking pollen. Locking down a good male will require pollinating some females and growing out the resulting seeds to see if there is even some potential there ..... but to me it seems like every breeder has one male that they hit every clone only under the sun with and sell the F1's. Not a whole lot of "breeding" or stability going on there IMO. Even the better breeders do this. Bodhi has been using two males (Appy and SL) to knock up every cut floating around for how long now? Gage Green has pollinated every cut under the sun with Joseph OG and sells the seeds for $120 a pack. It just doesn't seem like any breeders are truly working lines and stabilizing them. I've smoked/grown a few home made creations now and I have been blown away with how good they are. These didn't come from sophisticated breeding programs. Just a grower like you and I doing it in their basement. I've got 300+ seeds sitting in my vault and a garden full of nice females ...... so why can't I anticipate similar results?



I don't really consider the people out there as breeders. No offense to Bodhi or fans, sounds like a great guy. And he does actually get into some breeding. But mainly it a cross and sell game out there.
What I mean is, cross a great male cutting with other female cuttings and sell the offspring. Or, more commonly, cross a great clone with every male.
This is part of the breeding process, don't get me wrong, but a small facet in a much larger world of creation.
All you are doing is crossing known clone genetics. This greatly limits the gene pool. And also limits to previous selection possibly based on greed, yield and bag appeal, or crystal production, bud density......
So to create and breed, there is much about selection. Not just large numbers, but finer qualities that the masses don't look at. Like a master taster for a winery, or grape grower for that matter. Sure many people can smell wine, but only a few can detect the subtleties of the bouquet. As the growers and breeders of the finest vineyards, there is many things that one studies and pays attention to, and has a certain ability to pick and choose and combine through knowledge and skill, that makes them the best at what they do.
That said, and i'm not claiming to be a master, this shouldn't discourage you. Cause until you try, you will never know if you were born with such a gift.
So I hope you turn out to be a great breeder, and can restore some much needed genetics, back into the gene pool. But if not, I wish you all the best in your quest, and know at the very least it will be a fun learning experience.
 

st0wandgrow

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Would it be better to have a separate area to pollinate females, then move them back in to the flower room after a few days, or is it relatively easy to dust lower branches with the fans off, spray them down with water after xx amount of time, and not end up with an entire garden full of seeded plants?
 

kona gold

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Would it be better to have a separate area to pollinate females, then move them back in to the flower room after a few days, or is it relatively easy to dust lower branches with the fans off, spray them down with water after xx amount of time, and not end up with an entire garden full of seeded plants?
Yes, that would be the desired method
 

booms111

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Yeah years ago i used a male what was it damn memory...Blueberry Blast. I took the biggest male and runt male and crossed them to Cherry Berry. Grew them both out and the big male produced big low potency plants compared to the trichome covered tasty plants got from the runt male cross. Then years later I heard Sub talking about this with males. So i tryed it again with Plush Berry. Grew out couple males and used the biggest and smallest one. The smallest male produced much more flavor and potency then the big male.
 
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kona gold

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I mean easier to have a separate area, than to bring pollen into the grow room. One small sneeze, or a draft, or fan turns on accidentally. Better to have separate room.
 

qwizoking

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seeded bud isn't that bad.. unless your selling it. still makes great hash/oil too.. I usually just let males pollinate for a couple weeks early into flower, ends up seeded like mids. not too heavy, not a pain to smoke for sure. seed won't effect potency
 

booms111

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Would it be better to have a separate area to pollinate females, then move them back in to the flower room after a few days, or is it relatively easy to dust lower branches with the fans off, spray them down with water after xx amount of time, and not end up with an entire garden full of seeded plants?
I take the female out of room. Mark the branch that im pollinating with twist tie. Take Qtip and pollenate the branch carefully. Then i stick a plastic baggie over branch with a twist tie closing bottom loosly. Then i spray water on surrounding branches and shake off water before returning to bloom room. Take baggie off after 2-3 days and good to go. I do this at 28 days into bloom usually.
 

Dunbar Santiago

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while that sounds logical. my plants have always spoken for themselves

I didn't come to argue hollow vs solid. I've bred it out. it's my opinion that for me it's not desirable. I still yield well, still taste good, plenty potent an makes good enough hash for me


if it doesn't branch out and jumps straight up, it will be pretty hempy from my experience, I mainly grow landrace sativas too

Yeah, you sound like you have a lot of experience. In less than a year you've gone from running out of brick weed to 15 years of running big boy crops. You also started a lot of noobish threads in the past year. Just saying man. Hard to bullshit when everything is archived.

So basically I made this to vent. If you wish to discuss your dealer that's cool too..... so I call up my guy yesterday, he makes his customers pre order. Whatever I'm cool with that , understandable. So I call him up order a brick. OK so this afternoon I call to confirm, tell him I'll be there as soon as my wife is off work bout 6 30.. of course of course I got you man can always count on me..... so its time to get it, and he won't answer his phone...hell probly call in the morning saying he got arrested or some bull....so now I'm bout out of weed:(....

What's your dealers best excuse
 

qwizoking

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Lol while the threads I've started my sound that way.. I choose to get alot of my seeds from brick weed, I like heavy sativas...as I already mentioned, everyone who knows me here knows I grow alot of brick. nothing wrong with it either. I've put up pics of purple frosty mex weed, smells good when ground. so what are you trying to do here? I'm not a good grower because I get seeds from brick and dont mind smoking it?

from my first post till now, nothing has changed. I said I've been growing a bit over a decade when I came here.
also one of the most knowledgeable on hash oil, pharmacology, and chemistry.
but your more than welcome to challenge this

makes me giddy that your stalking me up though lol
 
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