Maintmans tribute to the M Blaze monster indoor trees

MaintMan said:

id like any input on how to feed multiple stage plants from minimal hardware and h2o tanks, i plan on running water into the room REAL SOON, im getting tired of lugging this h20 around

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I guess a drip feed would be the easiest to retrofit...

As for the multiple stage plants...

I run ALL my clones, from the first day I see roots, to the very last day they are alive at 1400 PPM 5.8 pH(hydro)...

One res... One Love... works for me...

GypsyBush said:

I guess a drip feed would be the easiest to retrofit...

As for the multiple stage plants...

I run ALL my clones, from the first day I see roots, to the very last day they are alive at 1400 PPM 5.8 pH(hydro)...

One res... One Love... works for me...

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so do you build your mothers up to that ppm then cut, root and feed? im trying now to "back off" the girls i have going that are more advanced and catch all the other stages up (( 3 total) minus the big girls, which im commited to)

MaintMan said:

so do you build your mothers up to that ppm then cut, root and feed? im trying now to "back off" the girls i have going that are more advanced and catch all the other stages up (( 3 total) minus the big girls, which im commited to)

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Not sure I understand...

In my SOG... nothing to do with my big girl...

I have the moms vegging with about 900 ppm of veg nutes...

I take my cuttings... and root them in RW cubes...

Once I see roots, the get planted in a pot with hydroton and go to my flowering trays...

My trays are on a rotation, so there are always plants just starting and plants just finishing...

They all get the same 1400ppm of flowering nutes..

From day one to chop.. 5.8pH/1400ppm...

That is what I meant.. that you can feed the same strength solution to plants in different stages...

Is that what you meant with your original question?

So yeah.. I say top feed sysytem, one res... one pump, one timer...

GypsyBush said:

Not sure I understand...

In my SOG... nothing to do with my big girl...

I have the moms vegging with about 900 ppm of veg nutes...

I take my cuttings... and root them in RW cubes...

Once I see roots, the get planted in a pot with hydroton and go to my flowering trays...

My trays are on a rotation, so there are always plants just starting and plants just finishing...

They all get the same 1400ppm of flowering nutes..

From day one to chop.. 5.8pH/1400ppm...

That is what I meant.. that you can feed the same strength solution to plants in different stages...

Is that what you meant with your original question?

So yeah.. I say top feed sysytem, one res... one pump, one timer...

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do you not water with straight phed water or do you feed every time? im a bit in the dark when it comes to hydro, were does the runnoff go?

MaintMan said:

do you not water with straight phed water or do you feed every time? im a bit in the dark when it comes to hydro, were does the runnoff go?

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Sorry...

I do ebb flow, which is a re-circulating system...

The solution is kept at pH 5.8 and the PPM at 1400 constant...

I change and clean the res every two weeks...


Oh.. And I feed my flowering girls every other hour for 15 minutes... fresh nutes come up and as it drains, it bring fresh air to the root zone...

Here... this illustration might help...

nice thanks...so is this similar or exactly how you are going to do your big girl?

Yup...

This is exactly how I am feeding her...

1 nute and h2o2... 5.8pH/1400PPM

cool, i haven't used h2o2 yet, do you use the hydro store type or the store bought type? does it really help? sorry for all the ?s but since i got u here i fig id get some input from a user.

in the grow i saved a mazar and a white rhino that have not been potted up but are still in veg, the mazar is showing preflowers so i guess i will be potting her up soon and possibly removing one of the potted up girls to 12 12, i hope the rhino is a fem as well ima take a cutting today and roll its end in the rooting powder i got at lowes and gently place it in a solid colored cup ( light proof for the most part) with ph ed h2o at about 6.2-6.5 suspended with a piece of cardboard over the mouth of the cup. then ill throw it into 12 12 and hopefully before i see roots in 4-5 days ill see preflowers. if so ill pot her up as well.

MaintMan said:

cool, i haven't used h2o2 yet

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it's not for everyone... or every line of nutes...

It can destroy a crop if used improperly... as most things...

And h2o2 is HAZMAT, it's DANGEROUSLY CORROSIVE...

If you mess with, demand the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) so you can learn what precautions to take...

Not trying to scare you.. but this shit IS SERIOUS... it will eat through your skin...

They will not even load it onto a passenger plane... HAZMAT CARGO ONLY

, do you use the hydro store type

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Used to , but they stopped carrying it...

they sold 1 gallon of 35% h2o2 for $150...

or the store bought type?

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like at the grocery store? the 3%..

it would take about 25 bottles every 3~4 days to keep the op treated...

Unreasonable...

I actually buy it at an industrial chemical supply supplier..

much cheaper...

I buy 15 gallons of the 50% for $115

does it really help?

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it is an oxidizer.. (some people claim to use for oxygenation of the solution... but those benefits are only temporary...

I use for pathogen control...

Just as it burns your hand, it will burn (oxydize/rust) any living organisms in the res...

I use it as a sterilizer...

But you gotta remember... if you use organic ANYTHING... h2o2 will kill those organisms...

It's strictly used in non organic applications...

1ml per liter every few days keeps any diseases away from the root zone...

sorry for all the ?s but since i got u here i fig id get some input from a user.

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No problem... ask away... if I dunno something, I'll just say so...

very informative...and not for me. I am using beneficials from humbolt im my grow and dont want to mess with that.
i think im going to try to do something similar to your feeding suggestion but with 3 res's though one for the vegging big girl nutes, one h20, and one flower nutes. Ill tie the three together down the line so i can just have one ring per plant. I have a bunch of clear 3/8 id tubing and fittings and valves and whatnot so i feal i can get something together. I have asked my one friend that knows(he lives in diff city) if he would house sit and he said he was cool with it, id just have to put together all the stuff before hand with a detailed list of instructions. im still up in the air about this but can tell you im tried of watering so many plants and having to wait to drain...next go round ima build a sealed subfloor in the room for the plants to sit on that has a pump in it to remove the water outside

its hard to transition and retrofit at the same time while working 40+hrs at night each week...ill step down from the soapbox now

Have you seen the progression I made in her set up?

The ring feed is your best bet..

But I would stay away from clear tubing... you will have algae problems...

And yeah... I hear you... it would be easy enough to use valves and just switch tanks as you need...

And I gather you want to drain to waste?

Any particular reason why not re-circulate?

honestly im not that experienced and dont have alot of knowledge in that area...i read up when i have questions. I know i should be phing the water that drains off but i havent had any problems w my plants so i havent, how does this recirculation work, do you re-clean the h20 or sterilize it like stream water, the water that drains off is slightly tinted brown from the coco/nutes. really my clear tube is no good...it will develop algae travelimg from the res to the ring? can i spray paint it a dark color, this stuff works great and all imy fittings and nipples are for it

MaintMan said:

honestly im not that experienced and dont have alot of knowledge in that area...i read up when i have questions.

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Questions are the best way to learn..

I know i should be phing the water that drains off but i havent had any problems w my plants so i havent,

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Sounds similar to soil... but I have no idea...

how does this recirculation work,

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Just like it sounds... the water is collected and re-used...

do you re-clean the h20 or sterilize it like stream water,

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No but it is maintained at a specific pH and PPM

the water that drains off is slightly tinted brown from the coco/nutes.

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See.. that os where I stop and get confused...

I know nothing of growing in coco... maybe re-circulating systems are bad for coco....

Do you feed at every watering?

Also, the coco may desintegrate and find it's way to the pump... that could cause problems...

I have never seen a coco grow with recirc.

really my clear tube is no good...it will develop algae travelimg from the res to the ring? can i spray paint it a dark color, this stuff works great and all imy fittings and nipples are for it

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try it... but my experience is that where there's light and water.. there's life...

Black tubing is super cheap...

But try it... worse that can happen is you notice it forming and run out to get some of the right stuff..

With all this info we passed back and forth, I believe your best bet will be to stick to what coco growers do... feed to waste...

But that is just my opinion... I know NOTHING of coco... otherthan I like the fruit's water

trust me if i was already in my 4-6 plant only big grow i wouldent be complaining at all about feeding...and yes its run til waste. and as i said in the previous post ill be building a subfloor to catch the drainage....and hopefully feed my fruit garden outside with the runnoff. the color in the h20 comes from the coco i believe( makes no diff if i nute or not)...kinda like when u press a wet towel on new leather it stains...i believe it to be similar...as far as the coco itself getting to the pump, this can be rectified with filters..( and not watering too fast usually the spills of coco come from trying to water too fast and the coco spills out the top of the pot.) my conern would be in having to deal with the buildup of this mystery colorant on the pump/impeller ...i mean i see things like this all the time in my job but id like my grow to be as flawless as possible, and having to clean a pump regularly inst in the mix...no telling what grows in there...

im goimg to just have to suck it up and rock it for the next 2 months till i can devote to the big girls...i may be going a bit long on the veg bc i want everything out b4 i go to bud....i may even move some outside to live... gradually of course

got a white rhino clone getting ready for sexing from the one that i saved from 12 12///this is also the one rhino that was started in coco nd is monster already...hope its a girl

MaintMan said:

and yes its run til waste. and as i said in the previous post ill be building a subfloor to catch the drainage....and hopefully feed my fruit garden outside with the runnoff.

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Hey mate, just poppin in to see how its all goin. I like the idea of catching your runoff to use outside. I do something similar but I just run my hoses straight outside and on to the garden. The plants outside in the garden seem to love it.

How exactly does that work? Does the siphoning action keep the pressure going out to the garden or does it flow downhill?(gravity)

Yeah it runs under the floor and downhill.

lookin good main!

Hanks not the answer, I'm trying my best with the limited space I have.

And m blaze I'd love to do that but I'm in the basement in a small corner so my option is to run a pump with a line running outside through the hole I drilled through the wall for my carbon filter exhaust and drill another for the air intake.

For those of you in a basement needing to exhaust your op efficiently and you are underground behind the walls and are super stealth like I'm moving twards. Home depot has a tool rental section that carrys big hilti drills and concrete carbide drills you just want to knock a small hole in the wall ( cinder block) and guage where the openings are so you can drill through the open portion of the block which is gen 6" inside so a 6 in drill will fit but. Suggest 5". If cutting through brick I'd say remove the outside bricks you want the hole to be in with a chisel and hammer to remove the mortar and bricks. You can buy half bricks so so need to cut unless you have the tools. Then just drill your hole and put up a vent cover.

Note that if you are completly underground you will need to dig up next to the house in order to reach the hole depth. And measure twice.

Please do these things with neighbors in mind, a hilti drill like I'm talking about is a bit loud and sounds like a/ is a hammer drill so mask the noise w something repetitive. And dig your hole at night or under cover.

Note you can and I'm going tondo this for my second hole, use a hammer drill and a 12" bit to drill a bolt hole circle and knock it out w hammer bt it's not nearly as clean a hole outside. The drill looks pro!

O yeah one other thing is the drill will throw off alot of dust so ventilate and use a mask and saftey glasses and cover everything you don't want dust on. Suck air out if your going to ventilate bc if u just circulate ittle b a mess

Ok so here's the lowdown I have confirmed 7 of the 9 known seeds are female that's 3/4 mazar and 4/5 white rhino.
My big girls are getting huge and I need to drop them down from the light more and prob ad the third 600 watter and spread them out and tie them fim them and trim them