M4S73R's Vertical Organic No Till Scrog.

JCgrow said:

I got the 5x5 based on your comments and I've been enjoying it I might save up and get the electric hydraulic version later on but right now this one is treating me well.

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You know I have yet to get one. I found one over on Rosintech website that has a screw type. Way more pressure. Same price. I'm hoping that i can get a deal on it with black friday/cyber monday right around the corner.

Now that I have a few things dialed in, this next round should be a bit bigger.

Not much to see as far the grow goes. Once i get the first round of training to the cage done ill get some pics up. Clover should go in around the same time.
I did end up harvesting around 15 lbs of vermicompost.
Going to start doing a aloe/agsil spray once a week. Along with some neem oil.

More to come.

So I flipped to Bloom on the 7th. I think were about done with stretch. I am a horrible blogger. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. After all the time ive spent experiementing I am glad to have found a system that requires very little from me time wise. I think I spent about 3 hours flipping to bloom. Clover has been slow taking off. Anyway, here are some quick shots tonight.

Frajola said:

High vert growers,
Once the last garden is over, I started to reshape the room 4 a vertical grow. I hung an (free) orange plastic trellis all around and add one more 600w bulb. Planning to install an air intake w a thermostat due the cold weather , I think it might work as a ac unit as well, saving me space and power.
So here it is my first steps into the vertical world, thanks tty.

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So how did this work out?

ttystikk said:

So how did this work out?

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Thanks for asking mate,

The plants are still too little to be tied up to the screen, started from beans. And I hv to confess, I'm not that happy w all the beans, my WWs , turned out to be autos and not fem instead, they got messed up after transplants, SLHaze just 1 out of 3 made, from greenhouseseeds Co.
Tangerine Dream from B's farm 100% dead.
Strain hunters, Money Maker plant is doing ok but also a low germ rate.
TGA , JBean, reg jus 3 made out of 5 dont know yet the sex.
TGA 1 PHaze fem doing great.
Bulk from Dr. Krippling not bad.
Sour Diesel from HSO not bad.
HWeight Dream Machine doing good.
I got also 3 Mikado x Night Cap from thy mate @eastcoastmo and they r doing so good.
The ac unit has to be moved from up there, it ll take space from a plant,got a different plan for that.
I hope to have the screens at use within 2 weeks or so.

Peace.

mikado x night cap.

Frajola said:

Thanks for asking mate,

The plants are still too little to be tied up to the screen, started from beans. And I hv to confess, I'm not that happy w all the beans, my WWs , turned out to be autos and not fem instead, they got messed up after transplants, SLHaze just 1 out of 3 made, from greenhouseseeds Co.
Tangerine Dream from B's farm 100% dead.
Strain hunters, Money Maker plant is doing ok but also a low germ rate.
TGA , JBean, reg jus 3 made out of 5 dont know yet the sex.
TGA 1 PHaze fem doing great.
Bulk from Dr. Krippling not bad.
Sour Diesel from HSO not bad.
HWeight Dream Machine doing good.
I got also 3 Mikado x Night Cap from thy mate @eastcoastmo and they r doing so good.
The ac unit has to be moved from up there, it ll take space from a plant,got a different plan for that.
I hope to have the screens at use within 2 weeks or so.

Peace.

mikado x night cap.
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Sorry to hear of the issues with the other beans man but I'm very happy to hear the mikado x nightcap are doing well, those fan leaves are huge! Top work man, keep me posted on their progress if you can?

I'm sold lol I'll be creeping.

Nice work dude. You like how the worms in the dirt are treating you?

pockitsPM said:

I'm sold lol I'll be creeping.

Nice work dude. You like how the worms in the dirt are treating you?

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lol,...tell me more...

pockitsPM said:

I'm sold lol I'll be creeping.

Nice work dude. You like how the worms in the dirt are treating you?

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I do, but you have to keep that pot moist during bloom. dries up to much and youll lose your worms.

harvested sunday. did better this time around. should come out well above 4 lbs.

well we got through the harvest. this came out smaller then i thought. 2.75 lbs dry and i may get a zip of hash from the fluff. well see. I have decided im going to increase my numbers and decrease my plant size. My current space is a unfinished bathroom. so were moving out of that and into a 5x10 grow tent. and then split the lights apart.

im on the fence on a couple of thngs. The tent. Do i go with a couple of 5x5 tents? do a perpetual thing? but that increases my costs. Another fan, filter, ducting, watering system. cost in 2 tents is about 250 bucks.

2 tents would be better for the perpetual thing...maybe split up your purchase. Buy one tent now the other in a couple months. Find ways to cut costs like using one powerful fan and big ace filter for both tents instead of one each.

Is it bad if i drag my own post back from the dead? I have updates and a story and everything.

m4s73r said:

Is it bad if i drag my own post back from the dead? I have updates and a story and everything.

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Do it, I read thru the whole thing so you'd be doing me and everyone else a disservice by not telling.

Will do. I never did get 2 rooms going... However that is why I am back. My setup is changing. I got married. Family expanded. Grow system needs to expand. A lot of my system is going to stay the same. I'm in the process of getting to 2 rooms perpetual system with 4 bonzi mums. I am detailed but hopefully its easy to read.

Medium So for the last 3 years this set up has been on auto pilot. Same 8 25 gallon fabric pots. Same dirt (Build a Soil Clackmas Cootz style). Same micro clover. Still no-till with European night crawlers. Last year i got a re-amend kit added to all 8 pots. Pots sit for about 2 months between uses and just grow clover and cook. Worm casting on top a couple of time per year. I just do a heaping cup per pot. Worms eat up the root-ball rapidly and keep that soil nice and churned.

Watering: Still done by the same sprayers/manifold/timer. I could leave this set up going in veg for 3 weeks before i'd check the watering. Most of the time i added 3 min to the schedule until bloom around week 3-4. Thats it. Now with bloom I checked on them every 10 days or so. once the stretch is over and they started to really drink id kick up the schedule a min or 2. Id have too look at what schedule i have right now. I think its 4 min once per day max of 8 min in full bloom.

Lighting: Still the same. 2 1kw Digilux Digital Ballasts. Ipower Super HPS/MH bulbs ( or whatever 30-40 dollar bulbs i come across). I don't spend money on bulbs. I change bulbs every 6 months. I dont buy Pricey bulbs cause im a cheap ass. I did once and saw not enough difference in yield for me to care. My last pricey bulb lasted 3 months. I put the old, still working, Ipower one back in and finished blooming with it. (dont get me started) Still open bulb hung vertically. room was 7x8 with fan, ballasts, everything inside the room. I did get to the point i was only running one light in bloom. The extra light wasn't worth the electric cost. I was also vegging out seedling in there so the fan tripod had to go.

HVAC No heat issues. 8" fan filter combo did the job running at half speed. I did add a oscillating wall mount fan to the room to help with plant structure.

Plant Structure/Training The big round 4 piece cage with binder clipped on poly film. There were issues with that. The first being air flow. Even with the giant floor fan in the center there wasn't enough air flow in the canopy. Poly film was removed and that improved. The second big issue was moving the plants around to work on them. If you had unlimited space to move them out work with them then its a good system. But you had better be able to walk all the way around them or its just too much hassle. Cage was taken down. I instead just caged the bulb to keep buds from getting to it. By harvest time the plants would be laying on the center cage.
Plants would get topped once. a week before flip Id go in and trim out the little shit branches and fluff. bit of a lollipop prune but more like a fudgecicle if that makes sense. Then again after stretch was done id trim out the popcorn. Shut the door and check it again in 3-4 weeks.

FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW IN THE BACK LISTEN UP!! THIS IS THE MOST HANDS OFF, WALK AWAY, JUST WATER IT AND GO ON VACATION, BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, GROW SYSTEM THERE IS!!! Lol. I will argue my organic no till soil produces some of the highest quality cannabis you can shake a Snoop Dogg at. I spent $650 for enough dirt to fill 8 pots. My total setup investment was around 1200 bucks. My monthly subscription (electric bill) averaged to $35/ month. I have grown 104 5'-6'+ plants in that dirt. My average dry yield has ranged from 3/4 lbs-1.29 lbs per plant. with my highest being a 1.56 lbs Super Lemon Haze.

Another post coming as I finish up the upgrade. Moving to 2 5x5 tents with 6 inch filters. One tent is up and about all but put together. Got some electrical to move, watering system to reroute, HVAC to finish up. Ill have another post with some things I'm wondering about. changes in the last 3 years.

m4s73r said:

Is it bad if i drag my own post back from the dead? I have updates and a story and everything.

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No better person to necro a thread than the op Welcome back

How much sqft of area is your screen.
I have been running 5 individual screen totaling 30+ sqft. Running these in a 4 x 4 (16 sqft), so pick up almost twice the grow area.
In veg, stand up straight and look to the left. Been there done that,


Day 21 trim


Couple of weeks prior to harvest


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At harvest

truth be told I dont screen no more. I used to run them 5ft tall by 4 ft wide curved to make it a giant silo. Now i just let them grow after being topped and cage them once they stop stretching. I saw your screens ( i have the same brown clips lol). I just dont do training anymore. I go in and cut the larf and little shit branches out when i flip them and again after stretch. cage is just wrapped around the pot and held with a bungie. Im thinking about trying out some super cropping and topping twice. I want them tall but not too bushy.

m4s73r said:

truth be told I dont screen no more. I used to run them 5ft tall by 4 ft wide curved to make it a giant silo. Now i just let them grow after being topped and cage them once they stop stretching. I saw your screens ( i have the same brown clips lol). I just dont do training anymore. I go in and cut the larf and little shit branches out when i flip them and again after stretch. cage is just wrapped around the pot and held with a bungie. Im thinking about trying out some super cropping and topping twice. I want them tall but not too bushy.

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Brown Clips?

gr865 said:

Brown Clips?

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my bad. that was my pic not yours. I was stoned when i last looked at this. I thought you were using these which are amazing

https://www.amazon.com/Grodan-Twine-Clips-Terracotta-100-Pack/dp/B007TFZH8O/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=plant+clips&qid=1586488040&sr=8-11

Yeah, I use hobby pipe cleaners, extra thick. Can cut and bend them to fit any occasion. Have been using them for years usually three to four grows before I have to change them, but some I have had in the bag for many years.