Looking for something new to tinker with

Mookjong

Mookjong

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I want a new toy. I have a special place in my heart for opiates. I have yet to try growing poppy and making tea. I've read a lot of positive feedback on it and now I my curious. Would definitely appreciate some input on this, including experiences, whether it is better to grow it yourself or buy online, and other nuances I'm unaware of.

I'm really curious about all the Magic cacti threads lately. I was shocked to find out a person could ebay such an experience. This is a new front for me as I have only seen one peyote button in my entire life. I have never experienced anything a "Magic cacti" can offer. Obviously I'll be doing my own research but I would love to hear your input.

DMT also has my curiosity peaked.

I'm interested in LSD synth. aswell but only if it is quality and consistent. I'm not in the mood for suicide.

Any other "Home brew" style experiences you feel are must, please share with detail. Don't post Cat synths please. Yuck




On a side note, please stop inboxing me for "Endgame".
 
canndo

canndo

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Forget about your LSD synth - it is not for amateurs. Try poppies, easy to grow and not much of a problem legaly. You can get seeds from any one of a number of websites or you can just sail down to your local market and buy a bottle - most will germinate and the plants you get are perfectly adequate.


Be aware of two things - first, poppies are highly suseptable to stem rot so after they germinate water from the bottom and don't let your little stems stay damp. After your third or fourth set of leaves just let them grow. If you over winter them they will be stronger. The down side is that you need a lot of them. If done right you can get a decent high from three pods but if you "milk" them you will need more like 6 or 7.


Cactus is a great little hobby but.... be prepared to wait several years for enough to eat. They grow about a foot or so a year in good climate and you will need between two and three feet for a decent high.


Or you can try your hand at making methaqualone.
 
rory420420

rory420420

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Ludes canndo? Lol...no one should stay away from lsd synth..who knows if mook is amature or not..id say go for it,if u can do it right...plant cactus now,or start ordering..poppies..well I gave up opoids years ago..deemsters..easy to make,and for your headstash a batch goes along way..any thought on (yes its not NEW but neither is lsd or dmt) mushrooms? And is you goal to make your new "high"..if not there is a lot of other chems to try...25-C is my new favorite...hope you find what ya looking for.
 
canndo

canndo

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Rory, the precursors alone will get one into trouble, the cost in glass is huge, it is a real tough go, far more difficult than mdma. I don't know if one can use LSA's as precursors but I doubt it- the duck would know.
 
Mookjong

Mookjong

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canndo said:
Forget about your LSD synth - it is not for amateurs. Try poppies, easy to grow and not much of a problem legaly. You can get seeds from any one of a number of websites or you can just sail down to your local market and buy a bottle - most will germinate and the plants you get are perfectly adequate.


Be aware of two things - first, poppies are highly suseptable to stem rot so after they germinate water from the bottom and don't let your little stems stay damp. After your third or fourth set of leaves just let them grow. If you over winter them they will be stronger. The down side is that you need a lot of them. If done right you can get a decent high from three pods but if you "milk" them you will need more like 6 or 7.


Cactus is a great little hobby but.... be prepared to wait several years for enough to eat. They grow about a foot or so a year in good climate and you will need between two and three feet for a decent high.


Or you can try your hand at making methaqualone.
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How is the "high" of the tea? Does it compare well to the pharms like opana or oxy? On another note, I see a lot of people use opiod and opiate interchangeblely. In my experience tramadol and diladid (w/e) don't have as much euphoria and have much more itchy and migraine potential. When I eat an oxycodone or snort an opana i feel fucking awesome. I can't say the same for the synthetic versions. Maybe it's all in my head.

I've seen some Lsd synths I feel i could tackle if I had access to certain materials. I was kinda hoping it would be around the same complexity of methamphetamine. That being said, I understand meth is by far one of the easiest synths to pull off. I'll have to look into it a bit further before giving up.

Complete bummer about the cacti. Scratch that..

I've seen a couple easy synths for ludes, but I don't know if I believe them. One of the main ingredients was hand sanitizer lol.

Any experience with DMT extractions?
  • Btw "cat" synth?...ketamine?​


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Na, It's really just a dirty trick or a stepping stone for meth. It smells like cat pee and gives you a dirty ephedrine high.

I'm interested in RC's but I can just buy them, I enjoy the learning process of black market alchemy.
I have done quite a bit with mushroom cultivation. I really just don't care for the experience. I prefer LSD. Mushrooms are hit or miss with me. Sometimes I have to eat 7g's to just get to the laughter stage and sometimes 2g's puts me in a place I don't wanna be. In a nutshell i find mushrooms to be too inconsistent for my taste. 2-3 hits of LSD and I'm always happy and I don't get much of a body load.


On another note, I really don't care for cocaine or crack. Amphetamines ruined those for me. I always try to get "twacked" and end up with a racing, thumping heart and overall shitty feeling. Although, I have made some enjoyable freebase at home. I consider crack to be street grade freebase. You just can't get the quality I want on the street. The amount of blow it takes to make a decent amount of freebase just isn't cost effective on a consistent base.
 
canndo

canndo

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Mookjong said:
How is the "high" of the tea? Does it compare well to the pharms like opana or oxy? On another note, I see a lot of people use opiod and opiate interchangeblely. In my experience tramadol and diladid (w/e) don't have as much euphoria and have much more itchy and migraine potential. When I eat an oxycodone or snort an opana i feel fucking awesome. I can't say the same for the synthetic versions. Maybe it's all in my head.

I've seen some Lsd synths I feel i could tackle if I had access to certain materials. I was kinda hoping it would be around the same complexity of methamphetamine. That being said, I understand meth is by far one of the easiest synths to pull off. I'll have to look into it a bit further before giving up.

Complete bummer about the cacti. Scratch that..

I've seen a couple easy synths for ludes, but I don't know if I believe them. One of the main ingredients was hand sanitizer lol.

Any experience with DMT extractions?
  • Btw "cat" synth?...ketamine?​


    ​



Na, It's really just a dirty trick or a stepping stone for meth. It smells like cat pee and gives you a dirty ephedrine high.

I'm interested in RC's but I can just buy them, I enjoy the learning process of black market alchemy.
I have done quite a bit with mushroom cultivation. I really just don't care for the experience. I prefer LSD. Mushrooms are hit or miss with me. Sometimes I have to eat 7g's to just get to the laughter stage and sometimes 2g's puts me in a place I don't wanna be. In a nutshell i find mushrooms to be too inconsistent for my taste. 2-3 hits of LSD and I'm always happy and I don't get much of a body load.


On another note, I really don't care for cocaine or crack. Amphetamines ruined those for me. I always try to get "twacked" and end up with a racing, thumping heart and overall shitty feeling. Although, I have made some enjoyable freebase at home. I consider crack to be street grade freebase. You just can't get the quality I want on the street. The amount of blow it takes to make a decent amount of freebase just isn't cost effective on a consistent base.
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I urge you to reconsider the cacti. Do it now - it is a set and forget operation, you will be glad you did it in 3 or 4 years.

oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and oxymorphone are all semisynthetic. If you snort your dilaudid you might find you like it very much, perhaps as much as oxycodone.

The tea high is completely different than any pharmaceuticals. Some people really like it(me), some people think the high is too diffuse, it is a mix of morphine and codine, it is uplifting in small doses, has a nice body high in the midrange and will throw you into a nod or make you sick in higher doses.

The methaqualone? some of the methods work.

LSD is far more complex than meth.
 
Mookjong

Mookjong

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canndo said:
I urge you to reconsider the cacti. Do it now - it is a set and forget operation, you will be glad you did it in 3 or 4 years.

oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and oxymorphone are all semisynthetic. If you snort your dilaudid you might find you like it very much, perhaps as much as oxycodone.

The tea high is completely different than any pharmaceuticals. Some people really like it(me), some people think the high is too diffuse, it is a mix of morphine and codine, it is uplifting in small doses, has a nice body high in the midrange and will throw you into a nod or make you sick in higher doses.

The methaqualone? some of the methods work.

LSD is far more complex than meth.
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So far all i've found are complicated synthesis on the ludes..

I'm had forgotten about one of my all time favorites, GHB.

Around my way, pretty much all the opi pills go for a buck a mg. Even at the player price of 50 cent per mg, I find it outrageously overpriced.Since my cancer patients have passed, My only option is to trade "shit" for em. I really wanna find an alternative. How much euphoria is felt? Do you still get the "Thunder Cock" or the ability to fuck as long a you want? From the tea I mean
 
Mookjong

Mookjong

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This looks too good to be true. Thoughts?


Chemicals needed:

1. GBL, gamma-Butyrolactone. (Used almost exclusively as a chemical intermediate as well as in the production of pesticides and herbicides. Also GBL can be used as an intermediate in the production of vitamins and pharmaceuticals.)
*You can find this at ​
www.geocities.com/specialtywood_products
. They sell 1000ml bottles of GBL for only 65 dollars. They sell GBL as a paint stripper for antique wooden furniture.
*Just look on the internet.

2. NaOH, sodium hydroxide or lye. You can find this in the drain cleaning section at most stores. Recommened 'Red Devel Lye'.

*2. KOH, potassium Hydroxide. You can use this or NaOH, but you will need more KOH then NaOH.

3. pH testing papers, found everwhere ask a clerk or someone at a big store.


How to make GHB:

You will need :
1. 135 grams (120 ml)of gamma butyrolactone
2. 63 grams of Sodium Hydroxide or
91 grams of Potassium Hydroxide
3. Papers to test pH

1. Place the content of the gamma butyrolactone bottle in a stainless steel or pyrex glass saucepan. Do not use aluminum cookware to make GHB.
2. Place the content of the NaOH or KOH bottle in the same saucepan.
3. Put SLOWLY around a half cup of warm distilled water in it. Put a cover (fast! the reaction may be immediate) on it but not tight.
4. Wait a little it will start reacting on itself. If it doesn't (after 2-3 minutes), heat it a LITTLE (once it reacts remove it from the stove).
4.5 If there is some NaOH not dissolved, stir it up till it is.
5. (This step is optional, some like it like that and others prefer to heat the solution a little.) After it's finished. Start heating it slowly. You will see it starting boiling. Don't overheat! It can burn. Do it for one hour. Don't forget to add water if you make it boil for a long time.
5.5. Between step 4 and 6 you might see a white compound on the side of the saucepan (it doesn't happen everytime). Don't throw it away, it's GHB. When you will add water, it will dissolve.
6. When you are finished, put it in a measuring cup (Pyrex) and fill it with water (when I'm in a hurry to taste it I use ice) to 1000ml (a little more than 4 cups). That way you'll have around 1 grams per teaspoon.
7. Measure the PH. If it's higher than 7.5 add vinegar to lower it to below 7.5 It can take 50 - 75 ml of vinegar.
9. To store it I use a mason glass jar with a plastic cover. I draw the poison logo on it (very important! you don't want a kid to take a full glass of GHB). I place it in the fridge, the taste is better when it's cold.​
 
budbro18

budbro18

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Mookjong said:
Sorry that guy is way to much of a d-bag to follow. My goodness that guy irritated me. Thanks for your input tho.
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I feel the quite opposite.

His explanation of the process may be indepth but its very good for first timers to DMT extraction

And hes the farthest from a douche. Hes one with the nature and one with his mind.

He can take hits of DMT so big i could only wish to be able to handle the kind of psychedelic exploration of his own mind he goes through.

His outfit may be eccentric but would you wear your everyday outfit with your face exposed if you were making DMT?

But to each his own.
 
canndo

canndo

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Mookjong said:
So far all i've found are complicated synthesis on the ludes..

I'm had forgotten about one of my all time favorites, GHB.

Around my way, pretty much all the opi pills go for a buck a mg. Even at the player price of 50 cent per mg, I find it outrageously overpriced.Since my cancer patients have passed, My only option is to trade "shit" for em. I really wanna find an alternative. How much euphoria is felt? Do you still get the "Thunder Cock" or the ability to fuck as long a you want? From the tea I mean
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Higly euphoric and the other thing works ok too
 
jjpivot

jjpivot

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Everyone needs the thunder dick, haha. But in all seriousness, I'm another vote towards DMT extraction, I don't know the validity of that ghb synth but it seems definitely easy enough so if someone extremely smart (insert MrEDuck) told you it was good, I'd go for it man. Ghb's definitely not my thing, I've never been much for intoxicants which is why I'd vote for the dmt extraction.
 
Mookjong

Mookjong

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jjpivot said:
Everyone needs the thunder dick, haha. But in all seriousness, I'm another vote towards DMT extraction, I don't know the validity of that ghb synth but it seems definitely easy enough so if someone extremely smart (insert MrEDuck) told you it was good, I'd go for it man. Ghb's definitely not my thing, I've never been much for intoxicants which is why I'd vote for the dmt extraction.
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GHB can be wonderful, I typically don't use it for recreation. I use it for sleep and it's great for body building. It's also a fine substitute for ruphies. EL OH EL!!

I'm still undecided on DMT, although I did stumble upon a wealth of information on it. Would definitely be something I could do. I just don't know if I'm interested in tripping anymore. Meth induced sleep deprivation trumps any of the psychadelics I have tried. Especially around day 7..

I gotta say poppy tea and g both have my interest peaked. Also non magic mushrooms...

Keep the ideas coming..
 
TheNameless

TheNameless

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I really recommend both the cacti and doing a DMT extraction, or making an ayahuasca brew.

You can buy everything off eBay (I find it the easiest, safest, and cheapest). I get my cacti off there (San Pedro, Bridgesii, Peruvian Torch) and stuff for DMT (Mimosa Hostilis for the DMT, and B. Caapi for an MAOI)

You can buy cactus cuttings to dose on immediately, and buy separate ones to grow, that's what I did. If you buy a mature cactus, with multiple tops, you can get a turn around faster than you'd think. They def aren't fast growers, but for a cactus its pretty damn quick.

Another interesting legal high/project could include Morning Glory seeds or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. They contain LSA, and I really enjoy their trip.

Calea zacatechichi or the Dream Herb has piqued my interest. Not really much of a high, but apparently it activates dreams quite noticeably. I'm growing some to try out, I have heard some good things.

Or you could get a Colorado River Toad (Bufo Alvarius).. You can milk the glands on its back for 5-meo-dmt haha..
 
Mookjong

Mookjong

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TheNameless said:
I really recommend both the cacti and doing a DMT extraction, or making an ayahuasca brew.

You can buy everything off eBay (I find it the easiest, safest, and cheapest). I get my cacti off there (San Pedro, Bridgesii, Peruvian Torch) and stuff for DMT (Mimosa Hostilis for the DMT, and B. Caapi for an MAOI)

You can buy cactus cuttings to dose on immediately, and buy separate ones to grow, that's what I did. If you buy a mature cactus, with multiple tops, you can get a turn around faster than you'd think. They def aren't fast growers, but for a cactus its pretty damn quick.

Another interesting legal high/project could include Morning Glory seeds or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. They contain LSA, and I really enjoy their trip.

Calea zacatechichi or the Dream Herb has piqued my interest. Not really much of a high, but apparently it activates dreams quite noticeably. I'm growing some to try out, I have heard some good things.

Or you could get a Colorado River Toad (Bufo Alvarius).. You can milk the glands on its back for 5-meo-dmt haha..
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Appreciate your efforts!

Do you have any good references for the ayahuasca brew and dream herb? I'll be doing my own research of course, but I'd like to know more of where you coming from.

I've seen a tek that claimed to be for lsd using Morning glory or Hawaiian baby woodrose. Obviously it was too good to be true, maybe I miss read it, and they actually ment lsd like? I haven't heard much about LSA other than being a stepping stone for other things. How would you describe your experiences?

Can you get those toads at Petland? LOL
 
TheNameless

TheNameless

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Mookjong said:
Appreciate your efforts!

Do you have any good references for the ayahuasca brew and dream herb? I'll be doing my own research of course, but I'd like to know more of where you coming from.

I've seen a tek that claimed to be for lsd using Morning glory or Hawaiian baby woodrose. Obviously it was too good to be true, maybe I miss read it, and they actually ment lsd like? I haven't heard much about LSA other than being a stepping stone for other things. How would you describe your experiences?

Can you get those toads at Petland? LOL
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No problem man!

The thing about the ayahuasca brew or tea is that its really hard to get down, and just as hard to keep down. So what I do is extract the DMT from mimosa hostilis vine. The DMT extract can be smoked or eaten but if you ingest it, you must take an MAOI for the DMT to work orally. That's why you need the b. caapi vine or syrian rue seed (Syrian Rue seed is another commonly used MAOI). If you drink a caapi tea or syrian rue tea, you can then eat the DMT extract and it will work. I prefer eating it over smoking it, just cause smoking it blasts you strait out of reality and then your back in it 10 minutes later. When you eat it, its more of a slow ride up and a slow ride down. I would send you a link to an extraction guide, but I honestly don't remember which one I used. There are tons of DMT extraction guides out there, just google "easy dmt extraction"

The dream herb I know little about unfortunately as this is a new endeavor for me as well. Here is a link to the Dream Herb on Erowid.. There are some interesting reports on there.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/

I love the effect of LSA. It is a precursor to LSD, and I believe (not 100%) you can convert LSA to LSD, but like canndo said, I don't think its an easy process. But I don't mind because its fun on its own! I love it because its not an overwhelming trip, but its very pleasant and euphoric with slight visuals. Great body high. Its something you can do any night for fun, it doesn't have to be planned out like other psychedelics. I just do a simple water extraction from the crushed seeds of Morning Glory or HBW, but be advised that this method can cause a bit of nausea.

I'm actually thinking about pickin up one of those toads haha. I have an extra fish tank lyin around so its been tempting me lately... I'll have to check petland lol.
 
Mookjong

Mookjong

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TheNameless said:
No problem man!

The thing about the ayahuasca brew or tea is that its really hard to get down, and just as hard to keep down. So what I do is extract the DMT from mimosa hostilis vine. The DMT extract can be smoked or eaten but if you ingest it, you must take an MAOI for the DMT to work orally. That's why you need the b. caapi vine or syrian rue seed (Syrian Rue seed is another commonly used MAOI). If you drink a caapi tea or syrian rue tea, you can then eat the DMT extract and it will work. I prefer eating it over smoking it, just cause smoking it blasts you strait out of reality and then your back in it 10 minutes later. When you eat it, its more of a slow ride up and a slow ride down. I would send you a link to an extraction guide, but I honestly don't remember which one I used. There are tons of DMT extraction guides out there, just google "easy dmt extraction"

The dream herb I know little about unfortunately as this is a new endeavor for me as well. Here is a link to the Dream Herb on Erowid.. There are some interesting reports on there.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/

I love the effect of LSA. It is a precursor to LSD, and I believe (not 100%) you can convert LSA to LSD, but like canndo said, I don't think its an easy process. But I don't mind because its fun on its own! I love it because its not an overwhelming trip, but its very pleasant and euphoric with slight visuals. Great body high. Its something you can do any night for fun, it doesn't have to be planned out like other psychedelics. I just do a simple water extraction from the crushed seeds of Morning Glory or HBW, but be advised that this method can cause a bit of nausea.

I'm actually thinking about pickin up one of those toads haha. I have an extra fish tank lyin around so its been tempting me lately... I'll have to check petland lol.
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Ya I read that puking is actually part of the ritual for the ayahuasca brew. Something about negative energy leaving the body. No biggie, for some reason on lsd I puke every time, the weird thing is that it hits me out of nowhere and is completely random. I usually push the limits so that might be part of it.

The dream herbs sounds pretty cool from what little I have read so far. I'll have to read some more reports on that one.

I gotta say your description of LSA has me very intrigued. After reading a quite a few well written trip reports, I'm curious why this isn't more popular. It sounds like great time. I am somewhat concerned about the high amount of ergot alkaloids being ingested as some reported low circulation in finger tips and toes the following day. However, the symptoms where noticed after very high doses and frequent use. I really like the price tag too!! One could stock up for a mere $20. This will be tried very soon. Do you have any tips on purchasing Morning Glory seeds? Is the much variance in quality? I read jet black is a good sign.


This is definitely going in the right direction.
 
TheNameless

TheNameless

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Mookjong said:
I gotta say your description of LSA has me very intrigued. After reading a quite a few well written trip reports, I'm curious why this isn't more popular. It sounds like great time. I am somewhat concerned about the high amount of ergot alkaloids being ingested as some reported low circulation in finger tips and toes the following day. However, the symptoms where noticed after very high doses and frequent use. I really like the price tag too!! One could stock up for a mere $20. This will be tried very soon. Do you have any tips on purchasing Morning Glory seeds? Is the much variance in quality? I read jet black is a good sign.
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Yea I have always been curious why all of these mostly legal alternatives aren't more popular. I figure either people don't want to do the small amount of work it takes, or they may have a bit of fear holding them back. Maybe its because some of these substances can cause nausea, idk but that's never held me back.

You want to get seeds that haven't been treated with pesticides or anything. Again, eBay will have untreated seeds at a great price. I would get Hawaiian Baby Woodrose because it only takes a few seeds for a good dose, and they have a higher content of LSA. With Morning Glory you need a few hundred seeds for a dose, so its more work.
 
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