Looking for better potency

Dr. Who

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ehhh lets agree to disagree on that one lol

Greenhouse issues are that the breeder sells packaged beans to seed seller sites.
Now how long do those seeds sit before they get sold?
When in Amsterdam. I find the beans directly from Arjon's tea shops, pretty damn good.
If your looking for Chemdog - the original?
GHS was one of the first to get and produce the real thing in mass...

Arjon has more then a few nice strain's! Getting fresh beans is the key....
 

Coal Train

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I’m over cheese and I’d rather hunt through the g13 tbh
Then get g13 s1 no point in muddy up the waters imo if your looking for something specific.
Been here a long time. Ain't the first and won't be the last time someone gets rubbed the wrong way.
I can be painfully blunt in my own way. Most here are used to me..

Peace out Wizz



Kaliman seeds - He sells real deal EXODUS cheese
so does
Dr Greenthumb

Exodus cheese is always worth the run. Fun stuff.
I have a few cheese fem crosses from csi. I've found crosses to have the hybrid vigor I like in a plant rather than s1. Not that s1 are bad. Selfed crosses seem to do better.
Here some pictures under the micro scope. They look pretty ready to me but I wouldn't know from experience only what I've read.
Each pic is a different plant
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Coal Train

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Greenhouse issues are that the breeder sells packaged beans to seed seller sites.
Now how long do those seeds sit before they get sold?
When in Amsterdam. I find the beans directly from Arjon's tea shops, pretty damn good.
If your looking for Chemdog - the original?
GHS was one of the first to get and produce the real thing in mass...

Arjon has more then a few nice strain's! Getting fresh beans is the key....
Plenty of people buy seeds from ghs not every one cares about the bs between two partners who fell out or a cocky business man .
It's all about the plant not about the people who own it for a brief blip in time.
 

Coal Train

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If you are lucky you will have one thats phenomenal, and the rest will be just ok, it may take quite a few seeds to find that one special plant you like. It seems the days of buying true f1 seeds that produce almost identical plants are few and far between, not many seed makers have the patience to do it right. my best seeds still must be pheno hunted, and you need to be good at testing and knowing what you want when you do find it. I put 0 stock in those lab tests, they seem to be all over the place. If you are growing for others than yourself, it would be best to have them test for you too, you might not know what they like or want.
What do you mean phenomenal. Potency ? Im only concerned about potency. Not that everything else doesn't matter to me it does I only seem to be lacking in potency compared to other smoke .
Or are you speaking about taste looks yield ect.
I don't understand if all my seeds I pop will be potent. All pheno varying in yield taste looks. But all getting you baked when smoked.
Or if most will be lower thc with one being awesome.
I did grab about a dozen breeder cuts for this exact reason but ide like to know going forward as I pheno hunt.
 
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DustyDuke

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Then get g13 s1 no point in muddy up the waters imo if your looking for something specific.
I have a few cheese fem crosses from csi. I've found crosses to have the hybrid vigor I like in a plant rather than s1. Not that s1 are bad. Selfed crosses seem to do better.
I don’t want the g13 I want skunk pheno of the cross I’m chasing the pheno of true sk1 that’s as close as you will get imo
Not a csi fan personally
 

Coal Train

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I don’t want the g13 I want skunk pheno of the cross I’m chasing the pheno of true sk1 that’s as close as you will get imo
Not a csi fan personally
I see my mistake I thought you were looking for a g13 variation specifically.
Did you grow something you weren't happy with ? I guess you have to know what your getting when you buy his work too. It's just hybrid crosses and s1 nothing truly bred but who does now adays.
He has been doing some joint work Cannarado I'm interested in . I have seen a bunch of his stuff go to flower every one seemed to like it. I personally have about a dozen different strain's of his in flower now. No complaints here .

Any opinions on my harvest pics.
 
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DustyDuke

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I see my mistake I thought you were looking for a g13 variation specifically.
Did you grow something you weren't happy with ? I guess you have to know what your getting when you buy his work too. It's just hybrid crosses and s1 nothing truly bred but who does now adays.
He has been doing some joint work Cannarado I'm interested in . I have seen a bunch of his stuff go to flower every one seemed to like it. I personally have about a dozen different strain's of his in flower now. No complaints here .
The mr nice is still 50% Nevilles sk1 imo closest you will get probably still won’t get that old school flavour but should get close after a few packs of beans
 

DustyDuke

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I see my mistake I thought you were looking for a g13 variation specifically.
Did you grow something you weren't happy with ? I guess you have to know what your getting when you buy his work too. It's just hybrid crosses and s1 nothing truly bred but who does now adays.
He has been doing some joint work Cannarado I'm interested in . I have seen a bunch of his stuff go to flower every one seemed to like it. I personally have about a dozen different strain's of his in flower now. No complaints here .

Any opinions on my harvest pics.
The csi isn’t bad but there’s a lot better you might of just had more luck then me
 

Coal Train

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The mr nice is still 50% Nevilles sk1 imo closest you will get probably still won’t get that old school flavour but should get close after a few packs of beans
What about skunk man Sam's work . He had some old stock on breed bay last month of his skunk I believe.
 

Coal Train

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The csi isn’t bad but there’s a lot better you might of just had more luck then me
Nothing he has is his work it's just reversals or crossed reversals of elite breeder cuts. The ideology of s1 as explained by my old business partner was you'll never get that plant but reversing it will bring you close as that's the only genesolution introduced in the pool to choose from so you may get worse but you also may get better variant of that breeders cut. Also crossing them brings back that hybrid vigor.
I knew what I was buying and I really wasn't looking for something that's been bred with him per say.
Seems like most company's take their stud and cross it with the newest elite today anyways.

What do you think about my harvest pics? Think they're ready or no.
 
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Thundercat

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What do you mean phenomenal. Potency ? Im only concerned about potency. Not that everything else doesn't matter to me it does I only seem to be lacking in potency compared to other smoke .
Or are you speaking about taste looks yield ect.
I don't understand if all my seeds I pop will be potent. All pheno varying in yield taste looks. But all getting you baked when smoked.
Or if most will be lower thc with one being awesome.
I did grab about a dozen breeder cuts for this exact reason but ide like to know going forward as I pheno hunt.
Potancy like anything else is based on the genetics. So yes you have to pheno hunt for potency just like all the other characteristics of the plant.
 

Coal Train

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Potancy like anything else is based on the genetics. So yes you have to pheno hunt for potency just like all the other characteristics of the plant.
As I've stated though I'm not speaking about max potency or the best of the best but get you high better than mids per say.
Will all plants get you pretty stoned obviously with everything in life there will be winners and losers.
 

DustyDuke

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Nothing he has is his work it's just reversals or crossed reversals of elite breeder cuts. The ideology of s1 as explained by my old business partner was you'll never get that plant but reversing it will bring you close as that's the only genesolution introduced in the pool to choose from so you may get worse but you also may get better variant of that breeders cut. Also crossing them brings back that hybrid vigor.
I knew what I was buying and I really wasn't looking for something that's been bred with him per say.
Seems like most company's take their stud and cross it with the newest elite today anyways.

What do you think about my harvest pics? Think they're ready or no.
Top one and the bottom one, I’d give the middle a bit
 
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toastedleaf

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are you sure your curing process is on point? from my research here, a lot can be lost if you don't nail this last step. It looks like you are pretty much there on pics 1&3. good luck!
 

sallygram

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Ya I have a harvest coming up next week too this was train wreck ghs
I think I'm ok with genetics. I have a bunch of clone only breeder strains in veg also. I have more than those company's that's just who's seeds I dropped last round . I have seeds from green point seeds thseeds chimera verdant green tony green rare darkness Cannarado in house green house seeds bog Mr nice positronics Scott's farms rez dog older stuff nirvaina tom hill ect ect ect . Csi is as good as any other top notch breeder .
That was a year ago I spent allot of time dialing stuff in.
I redid allot since then . Chiller humidifier ac air exchange . My room vpd is close to perfect . Ppm is 600 in veg 1100 max in flower. PH dead on.
So every health plant should be really good smoke not mids that has a quick high.
I have to find picture but the smoke came out great looked great just didn't have that kick to drive it home.


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I had a pic like this I think it was called "exhibit A"


My ADHD got to me reading this but here is my .02 on this. a lot of times when people check the trichomes they look at the sugar leaves, You do need to look at the buds I have had plants that get me all happy to start flushing at 6 weeks because I see some amber then I really start to look and at 10 weeks actually end up chopping. Seldom do I find strains that finish in less then 9 weeks. So make sure you are checking your buds and not the sugar leaves is my only advice and keep it curing.
 

DustyDuke

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Nothing he has is his work it's just reversals or crossed reversals of elite breeder cuts. The ideology of s1 as explained by my old business partner was you'll never get that plant but reversing it will bring you close as that's the only genesolution introduced in the pool to choose from so you may get worse but you also may get better variant of that breeders cut. Also crossing them brings back that hybrid vigor.
I knew what I was buying and I really wasn't looking for something that's been bred with him per say.
Seems like most company's take their stud and cross it with the newest elite today anyways.

What do you think about my harvest pics? Think they're ready or no.
I’m after the Nevil’s version of skunk
 

Coal Train

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I’m after the Nevil’s version of skunk
I own allot of Mr nice seeds . Few thousand worth . You guys know he does auctions at his site very often packs of his less popular stuff goes for 13 euro while stuff like ssh NH ect goes for 20 euro. He sells his stuff dirt cheap . I think I own 5 of everything he has.
Those three pics in this order are purple urkle white widow and trainwreck. I did know you look at the buds you also want to look in multiple places as damaged trichombes can be amber also. Thanks .
I let them go 9 weeks last time but had allot of issues some had root rot , heat stress ect. That was over a year ago in the summer. I'll flush asap. The ones that are done will get a quick flush the others will get a week or two.
Is it safe to say if I get the same results as last time with potency it's the pheno . Those 2 are pretty much ready for harvest.
 
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Coal Train

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are you sure your curing process is on point? from my research here, a lot can be lost if you don't nail this last step. It looks like you are pretty much there on pics 1&3. good luck!
Everything in my harvest could be worked on but I'm curing for 6-8 weeks hang dry first two on the stalk trimmed and bucked after that . 55rh 2 more weeks still branches stems snap not bend. Into jars with bovada packs. Last batch smelt great smooth burn. I just had potency problems.
 

DustyDuke

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Everything in my harvest could be worked on but I'm curing for 6-8 weeks hang dry first two on the stalk trimmed and bucked after that . 55rh 2 more weeks still branches stems snap not bend. Into jars with bovada packs. Last batch smelt great smooth burn. I just had potency problems.
My favourite strain I ran last year and still running is Black Triangle pretty potent stuff. A few different pheno’s, all fire some are very light on yield but I got 2 that stacked up nice.
 
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