Look like some sort of deficiency?

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

Hey guys, this is my Gorilla Glue autoflower a couple weeks into flower. The past couple days I’ve noticed some changes in the coloring of the leaves. I started my first feeding last week with Foxfarm Big Bloom and Grow Big about 1/3 of the normal dosage. I was thinking spider mites but I’ve throughly looked through the leaves with a loupe and couldn’t find a single mite, larve, or webbing of any kind. They also get a been treatment about once a week so I’m skeptical of that. I’m running on 300 watt LEDs. My soil is a 70% FFOF and 30% perlite grown in 3 gallon pots. Run off Ph is about 6.7. 18/6 light cycle watered about twice a week until minimal run off. Any ideas? It should be noted the pics were taken about an hour before lights out, so I’m sure that’s adding to the droop. They haven’t been like that the past couple days.

ganga gurl420 · Jul 26, 2020

I think you posted in the wrong place. This is outdoor growing

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

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Thanks for the heads up!

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

MylesImp46 said:
Hey guys, this is my Gorilla Glue autoflower a couple weeks into flower. The past couple days I’ve noticed some changes in the coloring of the leaves. I started my first feeding last week with Foxfarm Big Bloom and Grow Big about 1/3 of the normal dosage. I was thinking spider mites but I’ve throughly looked through the leaves with a loupe and couldn’t find a single mite, larve, or webbing of any kind. They also get a been treatment about once a week so I’m skeptical of that. I’m running on 300 watt LEDs. My soil is a 70% FFOF and 30% perlite grown in 3 gallon pots. Run off Ph is about 6.7. 18/6 light cycle watered about twice a week until minimal run off. Any ideas? It should be noted the pics were taken about an hour before lights out, so I’m sure that’s adding to the droop. They haven’t been like that the past couple days. View attachment 4636106 View attachment 4636107 View attachment 4636108 View attachment 4636106 View attachment 4636107 View attachment 4636108 View attachment 4636109 View attachment 4636110 View attachment 4636111

Why did you start giving her nutes? Just curious if she was showing signs of being hungry. I grow in that mix, indoors, and I don't typically start nutes till week 4-5 of flower.

I see the discoloring/tips curling, I'm thinking starting nute burn is why I ask. I see a few spots but may just be the camera if you're not seeing them and checked with loupe. Look up Nitrogen toxitity, you'll see.

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

Queen2Green said:
Why did you start giving her nutes? Just curious if she was showing signs of being hungry. I grow in that mix, indoors, and I don't typically start nutes till week 4-5 of flower.

I’m still quite new to growing, but I was under the impression that with the FFOF there were only enough nutes to get through the first week or so of flower. I had some yellowing of my bottoms leaves so i thought she might be hungry.

Dontjudgeme · Jul 26, 2020

MylesImp46 said:
I’m still quite new to growing, but I was under the impression that with the FFOF there were only enough nutes to get through the first week or so of flower. I had some yellowing of my bottoms leaves so i thought she might be hungry.

That is true, but usually a top dress with the same soil at the onset of flowering is good enough and prevents the need to bottle feed. Not that bottle feeding will kill the plants, but too much of it in soil that already has it can be disastrous.

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

MylesImp46 said:
I’m still quite new to growing, but I was under the impression that with the FFOF there were only enough nutes to get through the first week or so of flower. I had some yellowing of my bottoms leaves so i thought she might be hungry.

Ahh yes, she probably was a bit hungry. When that happens, I top dress with a fresh soil. 4ish weeks is when I add bloom nutes, and I start at 1/4 strength and work up based on how they respond. Every strain is different.

I will add that I use recharge as well. Which allows for a wide ph range and better absorbtion of nutrients

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

Dontjudgeme said:
That is true, but usually a top dress with the same soil at the onset of flowering is good enough and prevents the need to bottle feed. Not that bottle feeding will kill the plants, but too much of it in soil that already has it can be disastrous.

Great point. Sometimes a top dress is enough to get you through flower. She will let you know what she needs. From the pics, pretty sure that's what it is. Giving nutes to early. I did it too my first ffof grow.

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

Dontjudgeme said:
That is true, but usually a top dress with the same soil at the onset of flowering is good enough and prevents the need to bottle feed. Not that bottle feeding will kill the plants, but too much of it in soil that already has it can be disastrous.

Thanks for your reply! I was thinking about top dressing with soil and went with liquid nutes instead. Go figures! I will give her a couple weeks to bounce back.

Dontjudgeme · Jul 26, 2020

Queen2Green said:
Ahh yes, she probably was a bit hungry. When that happens, I top dress with a fresh soil. 4ish weeks is when I add bloom nutes, and I start at 1/4 strength and work up based on how they respond. Every strain is different.

I will add that I use recharge as well. Which allows for a wide ph range and better absorbtion of nutrients

I grow organically which is pretty much what you’re doing, only difference is I have to add my dry amendments. I NEVER bottle feed. I only use kelp and guano. More than enough P and K to sustain flowering. I used to bottle feed, but I used liquid Nutes from beginning to end. Figured if I’m gonna end that way, I might as well start that way. But the plants look ok to me.

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

Queen2Green said:
Great point. Sometimes a top dress is enough to get you through flower. She will let you know what she needs. From the pics, pretty sure that's what it is. Giving nutes to early. I did it too my first ffof grow.

Awesome, not gonna lie I was nervous it could have been something more serious such as pests or the like. I’ll stick to only watering for the next few weeks then give her a bloom nite around week 5 of flower to help plump them up

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

Dontjudgeme said:
I grow organically which is pretty much what you’re doing, only difference is I have to add my dry amendments. I NEVER bottle feed. I only use kelp and guano. More than enough P and K to sustain flowering. I used to bottle feed, but I used liquid Nutes from beginning to end. Figured if I’m gonna end that way, I might as well start that way. But the plants look ok to me.

True. And since autos are bit smaller and more sensitive to nutes I could probably get by a whole run with out adding anything. Or do you think bloom nutes would still be necessary?

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

Dontjudgeme said:
I grow organically which is pretty much what you’re doing, only difference is I have to add my dry amendments. I NEVER bottle feed. I only use kelp and guano. More than enough P and K to sustain flowering. I used to bottle feed, but I used liquid Nutes from beginning to end. Figured if I’m gonna end that way, I might as well start that way. But the plants look ok to me.

Sweet, I like it. I've been looking into organic only, same thoughts here. Thanks for the info!

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

MylesImp46 said:
Awesome, not gonna lie I was nervous it could have been something more serious such as pests or the like. I’ll stick to only watering for the next few weeks then give her a bloom nite around week 5 of flower to help plump them up

I do see some white spots in the pics but you posted you checked well. Do you see what I see, is it the camera lens? Theres definite toxitity, so yes that's an issue. I don't know much about bugs. Thankfully I have not had any issues with bugs.

Dontjudgeme · Jul 26, 2020

MylesImp46 said:
True. And since autos are bit smaller and more sensitive to nutes I could probably get by a whole run with out adding anything. Or do you think bloom nutes would still be necessary?

My thought is if you’re gonna eventually add anything synthetic, you might as well begin that way, because the plant will be use to it and by the time flowering starts she’s already fully adjusted, rather than trying to slowly creep it into her eating. In no way am I saying it isn’t possible, or that people haven’t had success with doing it that way, it just makes more sense to end the way you started. That’s why some growers don’t like organic grows because to some degree, you’re limited with feeding because the nutrients are being released over time, vs being available right away with bottle feeding. It’s easier to correct things with liquid Nutes, you can just stoping feeding if you notice something is off. With organics, you just have to live with what you got, and hope things don’t get worse. Kind of a slippery slope with autos because you don’t have the same recovery time like you do with photos.

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

MylesImp46 said:
Awesome, not gonna lie I was nervous it could have been something more serious such as pests or the like. I’ll stick to only watering for the next few weeks then give her a bloom nite around week 5 of flower to help plump them up

If she's auto at this point I wouldn't give her any more nutes unless she shows a need. Then top dress.

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

Queen2Green said:
I do see some white spots in the pics but you posted you checked well. Do you see what I see, is it the camera lens? Theres definite toxitity, so yes that's an issue. I don't know much about bugs. Thankfully I have not had any issues with bugs.

I definitely see what you’re talking about. I was checking under leaves with my jewelers loupe for about 25-30 mins tonight and didn’t come across anything. I’m definitely going to keep my eyes peeled for any webbing or anything else that may be crawling around

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

Dontjudgeme said:
My thought is if you’re gonna eventually add anything synthetic, you might as well begin that way, because the plant will be use to it and by the time flowering starts she’s already fully adjusted, rather than trying to slowly creep it into her eating. In no way am I saying it isn’t possible, or that people haven’t had success with doing it that way, it just makes more sense to end the way you started. That’s why some growers don’t like organic grows because to some degree, you’re limited with feeding because the nutrients are being released over time, vs being available right away with bottle feeding. It’s easier to correct things with liquid Nutes, you can just stoping feeding if you notice something is off. With organics, you just have to live with what you got, and hope things don’t get worse. Kind of a slippery slope with autos because you don’t have the same recovery time like you do with photos.

Makes sense. Yeah, it took me a bit to get a method down. It's really not a method either, you just have to get to know your plants and recognize what they need. They're all different. I'm more of a hobbyist so I like to experiment haha, push limits. I've been reading all about organics, very interesting. I want to make my own soil, so it's been quite the learning curve. I have short term memory issues, so learning new things is not easy lol. I only grow photos now so that is good to know!

MylesImp46 · Jul 26, 2020

Dontjudgeme said:
My thought is if you’re gonna eventually add anything synthetic, you might as well begin that way, because the plant will be use to it and by the time flowering starts she’s already fully adjusted, rather than trying to slowly creep it into her eating. In no way am I saying it isn’t possible, or that people haven’t had success with doing it that way, it just makes more sense to end the way you started. That’s why some growers don’t like organic grows because to some degree, you’re limited with feeding because the nutrients are being released over time, vs being available right away with bottle feeding. It’s easier to correct things with liquid Nutes, you can just stoping feeding if you notice something is off. With organics, you just have to live with what you got, and hope things don’t get worse. Kind of a slippery slope with autos because you don’t have the same recovery time like you do with photos.

Yeah I definitely knew autos were kinda sketchy to start of growing with because you can’t just veg it a little longer. If I can master autos hopefully I’ll be well prepared for anything photos have to through at me

Queen2Green · Jul 26, 2020

MylesImp46 said:
Yeah I definitely knew autos were kinda sketchy to start of growing with because you can’t just veg it a little longer. If I can master autos hopefully I’ll be well prepared for anything photos have to through at me

I think photo's are much easier. As dontjudgeme said, they are more forgiving. You have time to work with them when things go wrong. Both are fun though, and you will surely be more prepared. Happy growing! :leaf:

Look like some sort of deficiency?

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