Living Soil LED Grow - Deficiencies? Light Stress?
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll have a gander at it. Been trying to give back my experience with homemade organic mixes since I gathered a lot of my information through this forum.ok im going back into rookie mode. i want organics. Ive lost most of my recipes , plus they were not enough anyways. Anyway you can help me throw together a mix? Thanks bud!
Of course im going to use 30-60% soil with plenty of aeration. Peat will be my main or secondary base. 20% loose soil 20% castings, 40% peat an 20% perlite , plus organic matter (food)
I have nothing on hand except some basics. (happy frog powder food, d-lime, epson, and cartoon labeled bacteria and myco)
I'll have to buy compost an castings for now
In a year , i'll have my own shit. Thanks.
this was my last mix I did
1/3 peat
1/3 compost (mix of some Malibu bu blend I found at a local shop and homemade yard waste compost)
1/3 pumice (would have used some rice hulls as well, but didn't have any available at the time)
each of these are total additions to the mix for roughly 17 gallons/little more than 2 cu ft. of soil in the end.
15 large hand shovels full of fresh ewc
3/4 cup alfalfa meal
3/4 cup neem meal
3/4 crab meal
1.5 cups kelp meal
1/2 cup insect frass
1 tsp humc acid
2 cups oyster shell
4 cups basalt rock dust
1 cup gypsum
1.5 cups st George black rock dust
Since mixing this all up, I added some greensand, i think like a cup to it. Other than straight tap water, I have a couple bottles/powder that I still use on occasion. Fish hydrolysate (used once in veg this grow), coconut water powder/agsil 16 (used this two maybe three times so far), and yucca extract (mainly use if I let the top of soil dry out a little bit to help with the re-wetting of the peat). All three seem to get the plants praying for a while as long as I stay on top of proper watering techniques.
In my opinion, just following coots mix for the most part and you will be just fine. A couple little additions or variances would probably still be well within the range of growing quality plants.
Getting your soil tested: https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-to-affordably-test-your-soil-if-you-live-in-canada.1022780/
getogrow
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this is not feasible in some situations. like the one were talking right now. Were just throwing together a mix. Right now im using a pre mix so nothing to test. AFTER building a soil of my own , i may want to test it but im talking dozens of tests which get expensive. I do thank you for the link to Logan. i may use it. The problem with that test is that they only know how much organic matter is in the mix , they have no idea what or when that matter is going to be available to the plants, thus requiring LOTS of testing.
can you provide some additional information to support that claim or?
getogrow
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huh ? what claim?
The FACT is that we would have to do a LOT of testing.
I did claim that the testing joint does not know exactly what organic matter is in the mix and no test can tell you how quick the bacteria will make it available.
Im not "claiming" anything you dont already know ,......im just talking and asking for organic advice.
getogrow
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The test man made me forget my real post. Thank you for understanding/reading my post. I dont understand why everyone has so hard of a time comprehending my posts.
This is EXACTLY what i was asking for .....not the same person but someone actually read my post and helped. Thanks loco.
getogrow
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I just now got to learn first hand the action of yucca rewetting the medium for me.... it also released a bunch of food in the soil and caused a N toxicity. I love organics and how they work.
Im going to go out on a limb and say that the yucca got some parts of the pot wet that had not been wet before an so it released more of the food that was "locked" in dry pockets?
Im going to go out on a limb and say that the yucca got some parts of the pot wet that had not been wet before an so it released more of the food that was "locked" in dry pockets?
ComfortCreator
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Theres definitely some confusion.
Soil test tells you basic nutrient levels and ph. Of course they cant say exactly how the run will go!
Thats why you do a run and adjust afterwards. But lots of tests is imo confused, you test, get your relative levels, afjust if necessary, do a run, do it again if needed.
Really, one test will show you what you need, I suppose a 2nd could confirm your changes were right, but the plants will tell you that.
A cheap easy soil test shouldnt get in the way of plans...it simply provides a snapshot of what you have.
Ita a good idea and i will do it again at this suggestion. Im finishing run #2 and its good, but why not see what they say?
I still have fresh supersoil composted, and soon Ill have fully expended soil. I will test both and share with the group.
Soil test tells you basic nutrient levels and ph. Of course they cant say exactly how the run will go!
Thats why you do a run and adjust afterwards. But lots of tests is imo confused, you test, get your relative levels, afjust if necessary, do a run, do it again if needed.
Really, one test will show you what you need, I suppose a 2nd could confirm your changes were right, but the plants will tell you that.
A cheap easy soil test shouldnt get in the way of plans...it simply provides a snapshot of what you have.
Ita a good idea and i will do it again at this suggestion. Im finishing run #2 and its good, but why not see what they say?
I still have fresh supersoil composted, and soon Ill have fully expended soil. I will test both and share with the group.
I don’t understand you would have to do a lot of tests so your aren’t doing it just speculating. Ok I’m “the test man” now alright
just trying to figure out if you were talking from actual experience or just making an opinion statement it’s all good *zoom* cheersNo no no just like the OP said tests don’t work apparently he’s an expert or something and you should listen to him.
You could go out on a limb and guess or you could get an actual education and speak from real knowledge just sayin... sorry I’m out you won’t see me on this thread anymore
getogrow
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Both of them tests would be great to see for gp. Thats not what im saying. im simply asking for one of the 100's of supersoil recipes , that is getting someone pretty far into the grow , then i can add , subtract the ammendments that dont fit. I said i was "going back into rookie mode" to help me back goin with 100% organics.
Im building the mix myself , so i dont need to test that. (it wouldnt hurt to see them numbers though) Matter fact .... zero tests are "needed" , i just need to add a few more things to my mix so i know it has what i need in it. THEN AFTER the grow , it would be worth a test to see how much organic matter is still left, so i know how to treat it to reuse it.
I think you guys need to go read what they test for. they have NO IDEA what organic matter (plant food) is in the mix and they danm sure dont know when it will be available to the plant. So , yes that test is great to see whats available already but wont tell you much more then that.
getogrow
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why the fuck you pickin on me BITCH? READ , i never came at you wrong , i even THANKED you . You guys need to read! i never once said fuck a test or anything like that.... you just dont understand how organics work...not my fault BITCH
Whooooaaaaaaaaaa. Ok you have a good one dude good luck with your purple stems and losing interest in the hobby. When you come around a realize maybe you should get your soil tested you’ll think of my stupid face - wow
getogrow
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???
getogrow
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i dont have any issues with any plants right now..... im simply trying to BUILD A SOIL ....thats it. nothing more. gosh danm son.