TonightYou
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Couldn't have said it better myself! Thank you
Lets debunk AN and other companies products with FACTS.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! Thank you
Here's the Maxibloom work up. Not really a low P result
7 g/gal
Nitrogen 92
Phosphorus 121
Potassium 215
Magnesium 65
Sulfur 74
Calcium 92
This almost identical to an old hydro grower formula, the Lucas formula. I am not a fan of that much P at any stage. But this IS a one part nutrient line.
I used 4 grams of Maxigrow and 1 gram of Maxibloom for the ratio I posted a bunch of pages back that gave me this:
3:1:3.85
Nitrogen 119
Phosphorus 40
Potassium 154
Magnesium 30
Sulfur 69
Calcium 77
These are the PPM at one gallon of water. I would feed every time with this ratio and it was never too much for the plants. Probably the easiest way I have ever grown, for solid results. I might just go back to again as I will admit mixing shit up is a pain in the ass. Notice how I measure by weight and not volume? That is a key here....
7 g/gal
Nitrogen 92
Phosphorus 121
Potassium 215
Magnesium 65
Sulfur 74
Calcium 92
This almost identical to an old hydro grower formula, the Lucas formula. I am not a fan of that much P at any stage. But this IS a one part nutrient line.
I used 4 grams of Maxigrow and 1 gram of Maxibloom for the ratio I posted a bunch of pages back that gave me this:
3:1:3.85
Nitrogen 119
Phosphorus 40
Potassium 154
Magnesium 30
Sulfur 69
Calcium 77
These are the PPM at one gallon of water. I would feed every time with this ratio and it was never too much for the plants. Probably the easiest way I have ever grown, for solid results. I might just go back to again as I will admit mixing shit up is a pain in the ass. Notice how I measure by weight and not volume? That is a key here....
Shit, I dont need you to do my homework, im good. Iv run Lucas on occasion with floranova bloom n it definitely works well as a 1 part, but it can be improved upon real quick. Dynagro works fine also but it can also be improved , sense grow works well, but can be improved. A "complete" 1 part nute will provide stellar results n an inert medium, nobody makes one, several companies make a 1 part that is ok but nobody makes a complete 1 part that cant be easily improved upon.
Ok I have posted how I have grown, what do you do to improve on these lines?
I'm curious on your improvements. Not that I don't believe you.
TonightYou
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those look like pretty good numbers.
Jbones will carry on. We've demonstrated that one complete line is possible. why hasn't he addressed citrus and point out whats missing? Because he can't.
Malevolence
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First I think it should be obvious that cold hard scientific facts and mathematics about why this is better than that will not be procured from a bunch of pot heads on the forums growing weed in their closets... so anything you get is going to be "my shit grows fine" And honestly, that is the best way to decide what is the best... try it yourself and see the results first hand. At least as opposed to taking advice around here. That said... I have tried most of the popular stuff (except AN) and I think Dyna-Grow pro-tekt, grow, and bloom are the best for DWC, and botanicare cal/mag if needed.
Protekt because it is the most concentrated source of silica vs silica blast or rhino skin
Grow because it supplies all macro and micro nutes weed needs to veg. It's ph stable, concentrated compared to say GH Flora 3 part, cheap, no part A/B bullshit. Mineral and salt based which eliminates the need for biological processes converting elements and reduces the chance of a slime bloom. Time tested and proven in many different applications on many different scales.
Bloom for many of the same reasons as Grow, although it may be too hot in P for most strains in DWC.
Botanicare Cal/Mag because it is cheap, salt/mineral based, provides ph buffer, and DG Mag Pro does not contain Cal.
One I left out is beneficial microbes. For this I think Aquashield is the best, followed closely by pond-zyme based on the fact that I have never gotten slimed with these products when properly used. Pondzyme is cheap as dirt, but the barley can be annoying in 5 gallon DWC.
Protekt because it is the most concentrated source of silica vs silica blast or rhino skin
Grow because it supplies all macro and micro nutes weed needs to veg. It's ph stable, concentrated compared to say GH Flora 3 part, cheap, no part A/B bullshit. Mineral and salt based which eliminates the need for biological processes converting elements and reduces the chance of a slime bloom. Time tested and proven in many different applications on many different scales.
Bloom for many of the same reasons as Grow, although it may be too hot in P for most strains in DWC.
Botanicare Cal/Mag because it is cheap, salt/mineral based, provides ph buffer, and DG Mag Pro does not contain Cal.
One I left out is beneficial microbes. For this I think Aquashield is the best, followed closely by pond-zyme based on the fact that I have never gotten slimed with these products when properly used. Pondzyme is cheap as dirt, but the barley can be annoying in 5 gallon DWC.
4 grams of part A n 1 part of part B isnt a 1 part nute, sorry but I agree with TonightYou, couldnt have said it better myself .
I never said it was...LOL I showed you how maxibloom can be used in a one part, very close to a hydro growers old time favorite. Lucas formula.
I'm waiting for your improvements. Please enlighten me. I am genuinely curious.
Do you not understand that either Maxigrow or bloom CAN be used on their own to provide Macro, secondary and micro for that pants?
For the last time, I used the TWO together SO I COULD GET A RATIO I BELIEVE TO BE JUST ABOUT PERFECT. You don;t have to. These aren't parts A and B like a fucking bottled water lineup. You can use either all the way through. Use grow in veg and use bloom in flower. Or use both to provide the ratios I posted up.
Are you seriously asking this? If ur nutrient line wont work in hydro its not complete. Simple n undeniable
Bullshit it wont work.. Goddamit there are grows ALL OVER the internet USING JUST maxibloom in hydro setups. For fucks sake man.
I used it in promix, with NOTHING else added. And really I guess this is a form of hydo, promix has nothing in it besides a little lime for pH control. It's drain to waste hydro, by hand watering.
It's not like I came up with this method, and I never have claimed I did for the record here. But it does work.
TonightYou
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Nothing wrong with potheads growing weed in the closet. Kinda like a backhanded insult, but not all of us are out there trying to grow weed for commercial purposes. Got bigger goals than running 3k lights. It does not discredit the information I provided. If there's an issue with the information I provided please feel free to directly address the concern with my information. I've got nothing against dynagrow and heard good things about it. I just use jacks and the resulting grow experience. I'm sure substituting dynagrow for jacks would be similar.
burgertime2010
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I just wanted to show that AN for a Coco ebb and flow works well. I do not know jacks but I get robust nugs on tables that are packed. I use Dyna-gro until pistils form and AN along with a cal-mag supplement and a few other additives but am hesitant to switch away from a solution that is not broken or proven to increase my yield. A 5% increase would make all the additional expenses worth it. The availability may be higher in jacks however the ratios for a coco setup are not optimal.
TonightYou
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How do you know you're getting five percent increase? The thing is most people go on feeling, not science. If you look at the nutritional makeup of the fertilizers I posted, you would get better results using jacks. There's more availability of nutrients and it's more complete for what the plants need. If you can't understand or read those numbers to see why it's different than you need to do a little bit of homework and how fertilizers work.
TonightYou
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Also you are making a claim, why wouldn't it work in coco?
Lucas is not a favorite of hydro guys, its a good, inexpensive nute line that works, thats all. I will take ANs jungle juice micro/bloom over GHs micro/bloom hands down, its cheaper n runs cleaner. Aside from that are u seriously asking for advice on nutes? A ph/ppm will tell you exactly what ur plants eating and if u want to improve on whatever nute line you use then buy raw n mix it, what do you think AN n GH use?
I said it was an OLD TIME FAVORITE. Been around for along time with good results. The way I did it provides a better NPK ratio. Fuck ppm/pH meters. I don't need them. I know my water source and growing medium. I know what the ppm is by WEIGHT, like I just fucking posted.
Look, I am still waiting for your method. Where is it? Where are your improvements? Why won't you post it?
And no fucking shit you can by all the dry sources and mix them up. I'm not brand new. Is that what you do? If so lets see it.....
I don't need advice on nutrients, I probably forgot more about correct ratios then most people know. I just want to see how you do it. So I can nitpick like you have been doing the whole time you have been involved in this discussion.
Are we seriously going to argue about nutrients that I said I use and said worked well? Are you seriously going to say maxibloom cant be improved upon? Come on
Nope, just waiting to see your improvements. But your not biased or anything since you use jungle juice...etc? Still waiting ans I have a feeling I will never see it anyways.
burgertime2010
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Coco has increased calcium and magnesium needs while decreased npk needs. I am making a case for the additives that do give me significantly increased yields.
TonightYou
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So you use less fertilizer? My point still stands it works. especially Citrus in that scenereo.
I don't use "additives", its just a bullshit racket. Simply provide what the plant wants and have a good environment with some great genetics.
As I said read the fucking information. It has Calcium nitrate and Magnesium as well.
I don't use "additives", its just a bullshit racket. Simply provide what the plant wants and have a good environment with some great genetics.
As I said read the fucking information. It has Calcium nitrate and Magnesium as well.