no hostility here, just facts. If the nutrient line u choose is a complete 1 part nutrient then it will work in hydro, hydro is completely reliant on u to supply them with what they need. A plant needs the exact same thing if its grown in dirt or hydro, a complete 1 part will work n both of em. Jacks is not a complete 1 part nutrient, none of em are.
Lets debunk AN and other companies products with FACTS.
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TonightYou
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Again that's why I use happy frog. There's basically no charge, I have to supply everything the plant need. That's an aspect of the product that I like and a reason why I don't use ocean forest . My apologies for reading your message wrong, sometimes it's easy to read into things
Edit yes Jacks citrus is complete. I've posted its makeup and Classic is only missing magnesium
Edit yes Jacks citrus is complete. I've posted its makeup and Classic is only missing magnesium
Malevolence
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I can't believe all the debate over spending $30 to grow an entire crop vs $12... i have never heard of anyone using jacks in hydro.. you don't have to use hydroton or any other media in hydro. Most people use a hose to fill up a res and a water pump to drain it. Using a ppm meter is about as complicated as a thermometer. Your toaster is more expensive and complex than a water pump.
TonightYou
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ain't knocking that style, Jacks has a perfect fertilizer for that set up.
The point being is you can spend less and get more. Even with my small grow, my fertilizer cost for an entire year will be less than $30. And now produce me a few pounds over the course of the year . In addition to being an inexpensive, Jacks is a complete fertilizer, offering everything I need to grow healthy plants from seedling to harvest.
If you grow larger amounts than I do, the savings really begins to add up. Looking at my cost, I didn't even include all the bullshit additives that most people by if they're using advanced nutrients . if you were to factor in that cost it would be even more expensive than what I've laid out.
The point being is you can spend less and get more. Even with my small grow, my fertilizer cost for an entire year will be less than $30. And now produce me a few pounds over the course of the year . In addition to being an inexpensive, Jacks is a complete fertilizer, offering everything I need to grow healthy plants from seedling to harvest.
If you grow larger amounts than I do, the savings really begins to add up. Looking at my cost, I didn't even include all the bullshit additives that most people by if they're using advanced nutrients . if you were to factor in that cost it would be even more expensive than what I've laid out.
TonightYou
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Just as a reference point, in my example the 6 plants harvested would cost $10 more in fertilizer and be incomplete, possibly causing deficiencies later on
Great, it has very little nutes, doesnt matter n this case because you buy a new bag for each grow so it is not just a grow medium, its a nutrient expense, if its reused its just a grow medium, if u buy a new bag its part of ur nute regimine. I have nothing bad to say about Jacks, its great in ammended soil, my veggies love the shit. Jacks isnt complete, AN costs more, they both work, n they can both be replaced for pennies on the dollar. Those are the facts. I use Jacks, AN, GH and several others but do it because its convenient and for the simple fact that even if I ran AN at full strength n used the entire line up, it would still only cost a few bucks in nutes to grow a pound of bud.
I recently tried AN for the first time, bought sensi grow, conni, bud igniter, big bud, n overdrive, it cost me $57 n I still have enough grow for 3 more runs n enough conni for 2 runs, so that $57 paid for a pound and has a bunch left over, no big deal. Yeah I know I lined big mikes pocket buy using shit I already had but hey, its $57, who gives a shit.
THIS!!!! My pound was $10 cheaper than urs, haha, im a better grower.lol
TonightYou
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I explained why I dont reuse. Just as you replensish water, I replenish my mediun. its easier on me as I've explained in detail. You are deflecting from my question.
I've posted the chemical makeup of both Jacks Classic and Citrus. As I've stated like a broken record Classic is missing Mag only. Citrus is complete. If you are going to argue it isn't please explain why, because I've displayed that it is.
so. .. how is citrus not complete.... I'll be waiting.
I dont need to address jacks citrus again but here we go, if Jacks citrus was a complete 1 part nutrient then they wouldnt have made a 2 PART HYDRO LINE. K, il try it one last time, a plant is a system, everything from the top cola to the bottom of the bucket is part of that system, minus electricity that system has a cost, system cost is easy, how much do you spend for everything under ur light source. Nutrients, water, and grow medium are all part of that system, containers n water are a wash because we all use em, nutes n medium have to be added together, the best way to test ur nute line is to put it n a medium that is inert, like in a hydro run, if u need to pay for a new growing medium each grow then ur nutes arent complete, if ur nutes are complete then ur plant would thrive using it in nothing more than aerated water or perlite. If ur nute line is complete and you have a bad back you wouldnt be buying DIRT because DIRT IS HEAVY. Dunno how else to say it, spending $50 on dirt & Jacks is no better than spending $50 on AN or Canna in a hydro system. They all work n when u add everything up, the cost difference is very small.
How the hell did this thread devolve into a hydo vs. soil debate? What is so hard to understand here? It's a fact that watered down bottle nutrients cost more then bulk dry fertilizer. Again, there is no point even debating it. It's fact. Does anyone honestly think a green house op growing veggies/flowers or whatever are buying hundreds of gallons of less concentrated water downed nutrient lines? If they were doing that they would be in the red before even getting started and would be out of business.
TonightYou
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Goddamn you are dense. My practice of throwing out a medium after a run has no connection to the quality and completeness of the fertilizer. I explained why I do that. Yes I could reuse it, but fuck the extra work and space required.
They made their hydro line because people asked for it. Its a tweak on the formula is all so the likelhood of salt build up on pumps is minimal. All of their fertilizers are 100% water soluble, which means it can be used in hydro.
Do I have to hold everyone's hand through how fertilizers work? Do I have to keep mentioning that some are still deflecting from the conversation of the topic of quality fertilizer? I showed how AN isn't complete and how Jacks is. We are talking about quality and completeness of the fertilizers, not grow mediums, lights or any other nonsense. In a soilless set up, Jacks Citrus combination with Classic in Veg is a complete fertilizer. AN is lacking, has less availablity of nutrients, and costs more. That's the topic at hand, that's from the OP. ffs
They made their hydro line because people asked for it. Its a tweak on the formula is all so the likelhood of salt build up on pumps is minimal. All of their fertilizers are 100% water soluble, which means it can be used in hydro.
Do I have to hold everyone's hand through how fertilizers work? Do I have to keep mentioning that some are still deflecting from the conversation of the topic of quality fertilizer? I showed how AN isn't complete and how Jacks is. We are talking about quality and completeness of the fertilizers, not grow mediums, lights or any other nonsense. In a soilless set up, Jacks Citrus combination with Classic in Veg is a complete fertilizer. AN is lacking, has less availablity of nutrients, and costs more. That's the topic at hand, that's from the OP. ffs
Bullshit none of them are. Veg and Bloom, GH Maxigrow or Maxibloom. Can be used in Hydro, dirt, soiless. Complete one part lines if you want to use them. All three supply the Macro's and Micros you need. All three are concentrated powder form.
I will accept full responsibility for turning the debate over to hydro, I do it quite often to make a point. The point I try to make is simply this, a hydro guy is 100% reliant on the nutes they provide and a dirt guy is not, the dirt is a nutrient. Hydro guys rely on nutes n dirt guys rely on the dirt. Buying nutes from company A makes a grower no smarter than the guy buying nutes from company B. They are all overpriced, they are all convenient, they all work, they can all be replaced for cheaper stuff. A guy who relies on his grow medium is in no position to talk about over paying for nutes, hes buying dirt, if a guys medium has a NPK on it its a damn nutrient.
I don't understand why you are taking this so personal, no one is saying they are better growers. Talking about saving money here. I guess some of you like throwing money down the drain though. I like bargains, good value. I work hard for my money and I like to keep it.
I've said it three times now. For all you noob growers reading this, there is NO MAGICAL nutrient line that will turn you into an expert. A lot of these companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising and marketing to make you think that you will be an expert grower if you just buy this supplement or the next big additive. Experience is the BEST MJ plant variable. Bottom-line. You don't need a 10 part lineup with every stinking additive/supplement under the sun(well you do if you buy an incomplete formula, because that was the plan all along, to get you to spend more money). You need to supply the basics, and the plant will do the rest.
So ur gonna call bullshit? Ur complete 1 part is maxi grow & maxi bloom? When did GH mix those 2 different things together making it a 1 part?
Because there are HUNDREDS of grow journals all over the internet of people growing from START to FINISH with Maxibloom, or veg and bloom? Just search around I bet you'll find one in under 10 seconds. All three of these nutrients provide everything a plant needs, including calcium and mag. I'm not gonna do your homework for you.
These grow journals are hempy, DWC, ebb and flow, soilless, soil grows, Every possible type indoors. For a small grower, a 2.2 bag will last them quite awhile.
I have never said there is only one way to grow this plant we all love. Many different types of grows from these nutrients will produce excellent results for less money. This isn't about the way you grow the fucking plant.
I agree, money is good, bills suck, their is no magic potion because "NOBODY" makes a complete 1 part. They all work great when used as designed but every plant is different so experience is key. Buying store bought nutes is wasting money but it is definitely convenient, buying raw is way cheeper n better but requires a scale n ur grow house n that opens you up to new charges IF u get caught. They all work well, buy whatevers on sale when u need it
My god, you are just ignorant now. veg and bloom...one part. Maxi series using either the Grow OR Bloom. One part. you don't have to use them both. I did because I like a different NPK ratio then using one of them alone. Either will work on their own. Quit saying NOBODY makes a one part, that's FALSE.
TonightYou
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I'm not buying dirt, go do some research on what humus and perlite. Its an inert fuckin medium. Same way you probably think coco is dirt. Guess what? its not. And i have to provide the plants with everything it needs. This isnt soil son, learn what inert medium are. And yes you are "smarter" if you are comparing $2.74 a plant to a $1.00, that's not even considering you are using a more balanced fertilizer. As a business, one wouldn't use a more expensive product to get less, but that's what you get with AN. Wanna use AN? Be my guest. As long as one person takes away from the thread that there are better, less expensive ferts out there, the thread has done its job. Stop detailing and address any issues you see with Jacks Citrus or Classic. Otherwise you are just making noise and derailing the conversation