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Eraserhead said:

We have a 6x6 tent we do our testing in, and tested all white in veg, both 4000k and 6000k, and white + red + deep red, and also white + red and no deep red in flowering. Plants just seem to love life under a dominant white color, and the yields we (and those that use our lights) are getting, are getting better and better the more white we add.

We're looking to do some all white seedling to harvest test grows, we'll be doing the tests once our test grower is all set up again. We'll probably have some 3rd party people do a couple runs as well, like a 2nd opinion.

We try to maintain 70-77° during lights on. Others that have used our lamps let temps get in the low 80's with no ill effects. I prefer hydro over soil, it's just easier to maintain res temps when the room temps are low 70's.

I think a lot of peoples issue with white, they think plants do not absorb green and yellow and white has a lot of that. But if the argument that plants are green therefor reflect green, then what happens to plants that change to purple, or blue? Do they stop absorbing purple when that happens? Plants love green and yellow color, they just do not need huge green and yellow spikes like you would use with the reds.

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stardustsailor said:

Carotenoids .....

Mostly absorb light in blue region ...

Aid PS,m by doing so ...
"Helping main PS pigments capture rare blue photons ...." ...
And if blue photons get way much in numbers (power increase ),carotenoids then protect from photodamage of Chlorophylls ....
Acting also as strong anti-oxidants ,against free-radical oxygen roots...

-Led lighting Ingredients ..
-Controlled Environment's constant (at power/angle/spectrum/duration) lighting ...
-Aiming for great flower yields .....(And not for light stressed nutrient rich green/purple leafies ...

Do we add the light that carotenoids absorb in good quantities or not ?

That's the question (for today ,at least ... ) ....

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jubiare said:

I would personally propose ganja2 for the blackdog VS area51!
Eheh
Or I dunno mmmm.....

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RainerRocks said:

Eh..as for me I'm simple and choose all of the spectrum which is complicated..meaning us humans are arrogant bastards who think they know everything about what plants need.

We humans only know alot of what we know and don't know shit about what we don't know and there's alot more of what we don't know than what we do know.

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RainerRocks said:

Eh..as for me I'm simple and choose all of the spectrum which is complicated..meaning us humans are arrogant bastards who think they know everything about what plants need.

We humans only know alot of what we know and don't know shit about what we don't know and there's alot more of what we don't know than what we do know.

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mamakush said:

I'm not all that convinced we "know a lot of what we know." Rather, I think we think we know a lot about which we actually know very little. But I'll be damned if we aren't confident about what we think we know!

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Eraserhead said:

We have 1 new model coming out for 2013 (so far), it would have been out 2 months earlier, but I got really sick with the flu and could not meet the deadline I set for myself.

The light is a couple watts short of 170w, and covers 5-6 sq ft, if a bigger footprint is needed, just use more lamps, simple as that.

Honestly, I have no interest in putting up large amounts of lights just to prove what most everyone already knows. You are just not worthy of it to me.

I'll put up a 170w against double wattage of your lights, 340w you have? Take it or leave it.

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Perro Negro said:

Sorry to hear you were sick, that can push major projects back for sure, plus you are moving to a new location which is even more work.

We have both agreed in previous posts that footprint claims in this industry are usually utter BS. I don't like the idea of us using a double the size light against yours when we have a whole line of lights. You claim a 5-6 sq ft footprint. We claim 2.5' x 2.5' which would be 6.25 sq ft. If we had to give a flower range like you it would be 2.25' x 2.25' to 2.5' x 2.5' which would be 5.1 to 6.25 sq ft. Seems pretty damn close to your claim.

So you got your light and we have ours, of course everyone will deal with the wattage difference as they see fit but our claimed flower footprints match up with only a .25 sq ft difference. When exactly is your new light ready to go?

And to set the record straight, growers do not want smaller lights. We sell more Platinum XL-U than any other light and this has been true for almost 5 years now. Don't get me wrong the new Micro-U has started to give it some competition but the Platinum XL-U is still the king in terms of volume. This is not a guess or an estimate, but years of data. Not to mention every professional grower we have worked with does not want to have more than one plug per 4' x 4' in their setup.

Also, for anyone who buys into the posts that suggest we are selling a light that does not perform I can guarantee almost a full 50% of our sales are returning customers. We often tell people who are making a large investment to buy one light and make sure it meets their expectation then buy the rest and they all come back. That is how you build a sustainable business, offer a good product that simply does what you say it does. This is why we are asking for a head to head after Eraserhead made comments aimed directly at us. Let the lights do the talking.

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Beefbisquit said:

I would much rather run several small units, as opposed to one large unit as the ability to customize my footprint is of far greater value to me than having high wattage in a single unit. Especially when units can daisy chain together, eliminating the need for multiple plugs.

EDIT: I have a large panel right now, and I love it; but for anyone doing a perpetual grow, or multiple strains at once, it's just not ideal. Maybe for commercial grows, but I don't think the majority of LED panels being purchased are for commercial grows.

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Perro Negro said:

We have to fill out some pretty strange shaped spaces when consulting and setting up grows, having our six models to select from allows us to select the right light for the right space and budget. That being said, numbers don't lie and we sell more Platinum XL-U than any other light by a long shot. I have personally ventured a guess that the early adopters of LED tend to want the biggest light available based on their nature, but that is not a fact, just a guess.

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Perro Negro said:

Sorry to hear you were sick, that can push major projects back for sure, plus you are moving to a new location which is even more work.

We have both agreed in previous posts that footprint claims in this industry are usually utter BS. I don't like the idea of us using a double the size light against yours when we have a whole line of lights. You claim a 5-6 sq ft footprint. We claim 2.5' x 2.5' which would be 6.25 sq ft. If we had to give a flower range like you it would be 2.25' x 2.25' to 2.5' x 2.5' which would be 5.1 to 6.25 sq ft. Seems pretty damn close to your claim.

So you got your light and we have ours, of course everyone will deal with the wattage difference as they see fit but our claimed flower footprints match up with only a .25 sq ft difference. When exactly is your new light ready to go?

And to set the record straight, growers do not want smaller lights. We sell more Platinum XL-U than any other light and this has been true for almost 5 years now. Don't get me wrong the new Micro-U has started to give it some competition but the Platinum XL-U is still the king in terms of volume. This is not a guess or an estimate, but years of data. Not to mention every professional grower we have worked with does not want to have more than one plug per 4' x 4' in their setup.

Also, for anyone who buys into the posts that suggest we are selling a light that does not perform I can guarantee almost a full 50% of our sales are returning customers. We often tell people who are making a large investment to buy one light and make sure it meets their expectation then buy the rest and they all come back. That is how you build a sustainable business, offer a good product that simply does what you say it does. This is why we are asking for a head to head after Eraserhead made comments aimed directly at us. Let the lights do the talking.

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Beefbisquit said:

I would much rather run several small units, as opposed to one large unit as the ability to customize my footprint is of far greater value to me than having high wattage in a single unit. Especially when units can daisy chain together, eliminating the need for multiple plugs.

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