Leaf damage? Dtw coco

medidedicated

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Super counter intuitive to lower ec again after last time but heres my spec. Last time the pump failed due to over restriction to compensate over filled pots of coco.

I saw leaf signs and lowered ec .3 points because of runoff and then realized the pump failed, in that order I think. I just checked like page 8-9 where this happened and thats the best notes.

Could of happened other way around but then I wouldnt of messed with ec.

The pump never went out this time because I fixed the pots while in veg but theyre still acting up a little but much better than last time.

Next time and on will be perfect knowing how much coco to put initially.

Anyway NOW is a good time to lower ec. Now I can lower it to 1.8 instead of 1.5. So its counter intuitive remembering last time but ya.

It worked to save my mini clones?! Yup page 9 I note I went back up to 1.9 ec and the larger clones and smaller all stopped gowing down hill.

But since the small clones have a shitty small dim enviorment they didnt finish confidently and started to die out in some colas.
 
medidedicated

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Son of a b. I thought budrot was the only thing to worry about which isnt even a issue but fusarium wilt is. That has to be what killed some colas and may still be floating around?

No one said that but TC said infection is possible when they looked at the pics.

Would you worry about consuming it or just toss any bud that dies out? Ph change in xtreme cases can but damn. This is pretty discouraging.
 
medidedicated

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I read the stem inside will turn brown, these are still white and were there for a while. Like a month. I cut it right under the wilted bud.
 

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I did some reading on it, it may be paranoia its like PM a real bioch to have. Ive taking things to a point I cant look down if Im affraid of heights. Just keep on keeping on.

Infact upsizing will help in a situation like this. I went from hobby grower to full time med user self provided. Im trying to stay there. Anythings better than giving up.
 
Kushash

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medidedicated said:
@Kushash does this look like fusarium wilt? Your post on another thread got me paranoid. Just now learning about that. Does the first pic look like a plant undergoing infection? Is it best to trash buds with that infection?
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I can't tell. With fusarium wilt the healthy green leaves and stems will all fall over and will be green for a short time before the plant eventually dies. If you only experienced it on a few branches and the plant survived to harvest it's something else. Not sure if that is what he has, if it is his plant will die in a short period of time.
 
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medidedicated said:
I worry that tap having .5 ec and using .4 or .5 ec nutrients that it can lock out or not get enough. Tap mostly cal/mag and choloride or idk but its on the thread I linked, one of the first few comments.

Also with the stretch and mid flower, the plant using more ec and N that it would need extra nutes but some people never exceed 1.0 but their starting ec water aint as high.

Here is a pic a day later, it stretched notably. Will do a little tiny bit of defoliating soon. Also pruning, I just don’t want to stress it for a minute since I done nothing but prune and train in last few weeks.

The back right corner got bent over but that was the highest standing branch. Just moving it closer to light and sloughing it so the ufo can shine down on it.
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that particular light i have had in the past and it gave me leaf damage so i changed to a better quality light source
 
Thundercat

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medidedicated said:
Son of a b. I thought budrot was the only thing to worry about which isnt even a issue but fusarium wilt is. That has to be what killed some colas and may still be floating around?

No one said that but TC said infection is possible when they looked at the pics.

Would you worry about consuming it or just toss any bud that dies out? Ph change in xtreme cases can but damn. This is pretty discouraging.
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I always toss any buds that are even slightly suspect. If I get bud rot I remove all surrounding buds, but don’t necessarily toss the whole cola.

Anything like you posted in those pictures that’s deformed and off colored definitely gets trashed. It sucks but shit happens some times.
 
medidedicated

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My big happy clones in big bright tent finished right on week end of week 10 no buds wilted. Just perfect finish. Just need to keep trying to do that. My small dim bushy tents was the ones that did that.
 
medidedicated

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Ok I guess the florakleen info came from here. Doesnt say how to use though, the intructions dont seem to be for dtw coco. I tried looking it up.

How do I use this? Full reservoir or low to run it through asap? It says 10ml a gal and half that for younger plants.
 

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I was thinking fill spray bottle with fertilizer from the reservoir and add enough and spray for the outside of things. What about the inside of pots though… Couldnt hurt to just try running it like described right?
 
medidedicated

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As far as consuming dead colas I was weary when I thought it was furasium but its not. It would be over taking much of the plant quicker and youd have problems of that like PM and hop latent viroid.

What else could it be infected with that would be bad for consumption? Hell I used to see people often try to find a way to avoid the suggestion to toss bud rotted buds this isnt like that IMO.

Id toss it if I should but I never seen this until it happened to me. Im open to looking into more possible reasons to toss it but if there are more reasons for it being unrelated to infection..

Id try to be as sure as possible and Im pretty sure. After lots of examination and thinking and past experience with research.
 
Drop That Sound

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For now I would suggest mixing up a separate bucket of the fkleen solution (10ml per gallon), and manually water it into each of the pots until you get runoff. It does have directions for coco, aka soil-less medium, calling for 5ml.. but I would just mix full strength for hydro application since you're running automated DTW.

Do it sometime between your feed cycles, without having to disrupt any timers or settings.. It shouldn't take much at all to get your runoff target levels back in check, so no reason to mix a full res worth or waste a lot of water.. Its an isotonic solution, so shouldn't disrupt your cations or strip the roots or anything as long as you don't overuse it.

You can eventually figure out to add it into your schedule, and do small batches in the res between changes every once in awhile to clean out all the pipes and whatnot, and be able to get all the plants at once easier.. but for now probably best to get a feel and start small before hitting it all at once. Even better to run side by side tests, and leave some control plants if your up for it.

Its not something you should constantly need to use all the time, and should be more of a periodic thing (maybe once or twice during the grow with you're setup), and right before harvest.

1 single application should drastically knock down the high runoff EC levels and any buildup right away.
 
medidedicated

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Drop That Sound said:
For now I would suggest mixing up a separate bucket of the fkleen solution (10ml per gallon), and manually water it into each of the pots until you get runoff. It does have directions for coco, aka soil-less medium, calling for 5ml.. but I would just mix full strength for hydro application since you're running automated DTW.

Do it sometime between your feed cycles, without having to disrupt any timers or settings.. It shouldn't take much at all to get your runoff target levels back in check, so no reason to mix a full res worth or waste a lot of water.. Its an isotonic solution, so shouldn't disrupt your cations or strip the roots or anything as long as you don't overuse it.

You can eventually figure out to add it into your schedule, and do small batches in the res between changes every once in awhile to clean out all the pipes and whatnot, and be able to get all the plants at once easier.. but for now probably best to get a feel and start small before hitting it all at once. Even better to run side by side tests, and leave some control plants if your up for it.

Its not something you should constantly need to use all the time, and should be more of a periodic thing (maybe once or twice during the grow with you're setup), and right before harvest.

1 single application should drastically knock down the high runoff EC levels and any buildup right away.
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Thanks for the detailed response it helps alot. I didnt want to do anything until Im sure because idk what Im doing.

I would do it more for cleaning the lines etc and anything stuck in the media that wont runoff and read which may mean your pot is higher ec than you thought?

That was my impression. But yea Il do that. My runoff wasnt high unless I feed higher than I should or didnt runoff long enough. So Im not trying to see lower ec when testing.

I thought its for what you cant see. Also mineral scale build up from dirty tap water.
 
medidedicated

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FUCK Its not mold though its the damnest thing. It reached 89F in there. But its all on the one plant, the other only has one going and its not dried out yet.

Im still consuming it. Its the damnest freakin thing I never heard of. Researching finds nothing. I had a reallllllly moldy plant once. Look up “chop journal”.

That whole plant was nothing but mold so I know what it looks like. It was sad but I unregretably threw it away it was clearly rancid.

This is not!!!!! Wtf?!?!
 

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I welcome anyone to tell my what else it could be that youd trash it therefor. Ferasium is the only thing Ive found that it doesnt seem to be. Give me key words to search up or else I just dont see it being an issue.
 
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