Leaf damage? Dtw coco

Well looking at the report you have what is considered “very hard” water. Your calcium isn’t super high, but the chloride and sulfates are at the top of their ranges. 190 ppm total hardness plus the other stuff that isn’t included in that calculation. All the different stuff on that list can interact with the stuff in your nutrients and medium to create a guessing game.

I think better water would give you more control-able results.

I had water in the 300ppm range at one house I lived at and couldn’t get any plants to really grow right for a couple months. I started filling gallons at a local water filling station. It was like $5 for 25 gallons or something like that and I had to haul them back and forth from my grow. It was a pain in thee ass to say the least, but the plants grew beautifully after the switch.

That was stuck in my text box I couldnt get rid of it.

Thundercat said:

Well looking at the report you have what is considered “very hard” water. Your calcium isn’t super high, but the chloride and sulfates are at the top of their ranges. 190 ppm total hardness plus the other stuff that isn’t included in that calculation. All the different stuff on that list can interact with the stuff in your nutrients and medium to create a guessing game.

I think better water would give you more control-able results.

I had water in the 300ppm range at one house I lived at and couldn’t get any plants to really grow right for a couple months. I started filling gallons at a local water filling station. It was like $5 for 25 gallons or something like that and I had to haul them back and forth from my grow. It was a pain in thee ass to say the least, but the plants grew beautifully after the switch.

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Anyway, yeah thanks for the detailed response I havent really had someone look at it last time like that. I just tried relaying most of it and I guess it wasnt the same as this.

I screen shotted, noted will start to look into going that route but wont be easy.

Thundercat said:

Well looking at the report you have what is considered “very hard” water. Your calcium isn’t super high, but the chloride and sulfates are at the top of their ranges. 190 ppm total hardness plus the other stuff that isn’t included in that calculation. All the different stuff on that list can interact with the stuff in your nutrients and medium to create a guessing game.

I think better water would give you more control-able results.

I had water in the 300ppm range at one house I lived at and couldn’t get any plants to really grow right for a couple months. I started filling gallons at a local water filling station. It was like $5 for 25 gallons or something like that and I had to haul them back and forth from my grow. It was a pain in thee ass to say the least, but the plants grew beautifully after the switch.

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You should consider a RO system for your water.

twentyeight.threefive said:

You should consider a RO system for your water.

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Funny you mention that. I bought one at the end of that grow. I also moved to a different state. Then at the new house i didn’t even need the RO system, the water was awesome, lol. Thankfully I was able to return it and purchased some much needed ventilation instead.

Thundercat said:

Funny you mention that. I bought one at the end of that grow. I also moved to a different state. Then at the new house i didn’t even need the RO system, the water was awesome, lol. Thankfully I was able to return it and purchased some much needed ventilation instead.

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Sorry that was meant for the OP. I just thought quoting what you replied was relevant.

ec121 said:

I'd be interested in any information you can link (not furnished by a nutrient line) that states chemical flushing agents are the only way to get rid of a buildup.

Toxic buildup is salt that has crystalized out of solution. Water will dissolve salt crystals because salt is water soluble; it's just going to take a shitload to do it because it has crystalized.

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I'm usually the last person to suggest anyone buy snake oil additives\bogus products, but those overpriced bottles of sugar water and preservatives the nute companies sell do work as intended, and come highly reviewed. So good it will even start to strip the residues right out of the saucers/floodtrays before your very eyes, let alone the medium in the pots, when loads of water or extra low nutrient solution just won't cut it like that..

I haven't tried GH's florakleen, but its only $10 for a quart (You could probably ask for free sample bottles to test out..), and likely just as good as the other brands I've used. So not really a rip off IMO. You can use it in a spray bottle to keep all the lines and other stuff clean too, without hurting the plant. Spray the main stalk down, and the drip rings, etc

It would probably even help kleer out hard water mineral scale build ups too, I would imagine. I dunno though, because I still continue to truck in good 35ppm choriminated water from town every week, after all these years..

I agree that fixing the root issues like the water source and not letting toxic levels ever build up in the first place is the way to go. Using good water and a balanced nutrient profile. Salt buildup should never really be an issue.

I recall OP talking about inconsistancies in the watering, which can really lead to problems quick, and figured a good flushing with agents might help out quick, especially with runoff numbers that high, etc.

I need to learn more about how to ph ro water given ph is about ions, is there enough once nutes are added? Id imagine so at our level ec’s. I really dont know how my grow went with ro without the calmg I think it was good at first.

Then I quit for a second and started back up with tap and maxibloom.

I recall it was very acidic. I never ran a whole cycle with it. What is there to expect using ro water?

If this run and other keep going well it may be best to wait for my next setup. I wont be able to ask whats wrong though so I wont ask when it does.

Need a spot in the kitchen or basement and a 60gal reservoir to hold the water. Pump it upstairs? Do pumps that function with HP rating meant to move water long distances?

Ill buy the kleen for sure itll last im sure.

Want to make a 250 square ft workshop outside just for plants with a solar setup and electric, water and now I guess a filter which aint nothing. Having water filled for fertilizing isnt a burdon, nothing is its a grow shop.

Until then its hard to filter the water like I mentioned where talking 200ft or more of hose. Just a lot of work. Too inconvenient for roommates but the dry room is pretty much mine and the described idea may work if a pump for the job exists.

I might be able to finish with just burnt ridges had my pump not die intermittently off guard/when checking until I noticed last time.

Im half way to harvest and just now getting ridges burnt. If to speculate maybe this the right amount of nutes to work with the shitty tap, idk wtf im doing though.

You just get to harvest and repeat. If you get there with minimal damage hell why not. 5 more wks last time was 10.

Just an update damn I didnt know its only been 9 days but it stopped getting worse after a few days it seemed to of stopped. Im developing the eye for that too to be able to say so.

Hell noticing a lot of new things this run. Grew 10 clones of this strain and got to say its amazing to see the effect of better buds from better light and canopy training.

Love drain away trays. Just do this to fill a cup enough to test ec and reveal lots of valuable info. 2.09ec in 2.49 ec out so its doing good maybe a tad over fed still maybe the florekeen will help with that.

Drop That Sound said:

I'm usually the last person to suggest anyone buy snake oil additives\bogus products, but those overpriced bottles of sugar water and preservatives the nute companies sell do work as intended, and come highly reviewed. So good it will even start to strip the residues right out of the saucers/floodtrays before your very eyes, let alone the medium in the pots, when loads of water or extra low nutrient solution just won't cut it like that..

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I didn't say that flushing agents don't work or that they are snake oil. You give good advice on the forums and as such, must be a good grower. The only thing I disagreed with was the part I placed in bold.

I have never heard of anyone flushing with water, even if it takes 25 gallons, and not being able to free up a salt build up. The question is whether one wants to use 1 gallon with a flushing agent and be done with it, or take the time and energy using several gallons without a flushing agent.

medidedicated said:

Love drain away trays. Just do this to fill a cup enough to test ec and reveal lots of valuable info. 2.09ec in 2.49 ec out so its doing good maybe a tad over fed still maybe the florekeen will help with that.

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Bro, you can't test your EC in a dirty tray. As nutrient solution passes through the tray and dries, salt residuals remain and cause your EC readings to be off when you test.

ec121 said:

I didn't say that flushing agents don't work or that they are snake oil. You give good advice on the forums and as such, must be a good grower. The only thing I disagreed with was the part I placed in bold.

I have never heard of anyone flushing with water, even if it takes 25 gallons, and not being able to free up a salt build up. The question is whether one wants to use 1 gallon with a flushing agent and be done with it, or take the time and energy using several gallons without a flushing agent.



Bro, you can't test your EC in a dirty tray. As nutrient solution passes through the tray and dries, salt residuals remain and cause your EC readings to be off when you test.

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Good point but it can easily be cleaned like youre implying I think. Will do that. I havent found unusual readings though for some reason my drainaway trays stay clean but I do feed every 3 freakin hours lol.

I was about to add you could throw a shallow plant saucer under it especially if the plant is scrogged.

Damn I guess now looking again the trays are pretty dirty. I just let them get much dirtier before cleaning. Still makes sense feeding every 3 hrs that its not as bad as my tents that feed every 12 hrs.

I asked about neem oil for ear wigs attacking my clones. Welp.. Screened it. Im under attack from gnats too. Are mosquito bits good to just mix in the coco?

I wonder how the microbes in the bits stay active with constant flushing. I read thats what they are, microbes that eat the larvae brains or somethin.

That is a male sac right? I was just looking at the plant and thinking was I sure it was? I found a photo of it! So glad I took it. I didnt ask RIU yet I just new it was a nanner for sure if anything a male sac.

So its a hermie lol. I knew that already. I just remember sacs looking translucent at the tips.

Oh I did show you guys already on page 10. I dont remember that. Yea I was sure then and no one said otherwise.

Uh oh. Well that was a fun high horse.

Ec in 2.15 ec out 2.77

ph always in range. It was equal last I checked, maybe it needs less ec last few weeks. Last time I had plants crap out too at the end but not these. Other than when my pump went out.