Lazy Man Wants to Use Coco....

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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twentyeight.threefive said:
Speaking of facts, would you like to address the fact that the manufacturer of the product you claim works so well in coco doesn't recommend it's use as such?
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Naw, he doesn't want to address that. Or perhaps he can't. Either way, he clearly won't. He's had multiple pages in this thread to do so, but he's too busy quizzing me about the quality of humics.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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PJ Diaz said:
Naw, he doesn't want to address that. Or perhaps he can't. Either way, he clearly won't. He's had multiple pages in this thread to do so, but he's too busy quizzing me about the quality of humics.
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As I said, when you re-ask a direct question to someone with an inflated ego that they already know they gave the incorrect information to they either name call or misdirect. He's obviously doing the latter.
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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PJ Diaz said:
Naw, he doesn't want to address that. Or perhaps he can't. Either way, he clearly won't. He's had multiple pages in this thread to do so, but he's too busy quizzing me about the quality of humics.
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They also say it can be done. Some people can make coco work with organics.

This is not to say it’s impossible. If you are using coco coir, we suggest you start with 3-5 tablespoons of Base and 1 tablespoon of Boost for every gallon of coco coir. Blending in some additional organic material such as peat moss may prove helpful as well. Paying attention to the pH of your water is more important with coco coir as well, since the low CEC limits the relative amount of ionic exchange, which in turn limits the microbial capacity to regulate pH. A good range to aim for in the pH of your water when using coco is 5.8 – 6.5. Coco coir is also not very good at retaining water, so a much more rigorous schedule will be in order.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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DrBuzzFarmer said:
go away stalker
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Luckily for you, I'm off to take a ride on my bike. I'm sure someone else will stay behind to correct your statements.
PadawanWarrior said:
They also say it can be done. Some people can make coco work with organics.

This is not to say it’s impossible. If you are using coco coir, we suggest you start with 3-5 tablespoons of Base and 1 tablespoon of Boost for every gallon of coco coir. Blending in some additional organic material such as peat moss may prove helpful as well. Paying attention to the pH of your water is more important with coco coir as well, since the low CEC limits the relative amount of ionic exchange, which in turn limits the microbial capacity to regulate pH. A good range to aim for in the pH of your water when using coco is 5.8 – 6.5. Coco coir is also not very good at retaining water, so a much more rigorous schedule will be in order.
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And? No one said that it's impossible. If you were to read the thread, you'd know that I already acknowledged that. Are you just trying to jump in, mob mentality style, or do you have useful info to offer?

The debate is over this statement made by @twentyeight.threefive , and I agree with his assessment:
"I wouldn't use it in coco. More suitable for soil like other dry amendments. "
 
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Buds N Brew

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calvin.m16 said:
For jacks run their RO formula with RO and their Tap formula for tap, for optimal results run their bloom & finish formulas per their feed chart and include their Epsom salt. I use their veg formula for veg & clones and it works fine. I just keep it around 1.6 EC to not burn the new plants. Epsom Salts is a must unfortunately or you'll see yellowing, especially with LED in my personal experience..

Not so much of a "1 part" after all.
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@calvin.m16 I don't see any feed charts for 20-20-20 Classic on Jack's website. Do you think it would be safe to substitute another Jack's product's feed schedule like
2klude said:
For sure.

I only suggested buying good quality coco, transplanting rooted clones into proper size containers and watering-in. Meaning water-in to runoff, let it dry back a day or so, then work your way up to multiple feeds per day depending if you trying to achieve veg or generative ques. I run (2) 0.5gph emitters per 1.5gal of pure coco, 3 week veg, 9 per light.

OP, this is lazy man growing in coco. It's DTW, I fill up a rez ever 4-7 days depending on what week in bloom I'm in. Cleanup plants a few days before flip, 2.5-3 weeks do an aggressive leaf strip and I don't touch the plants for the next 7 weeks. Pretty lazy growing style if you ask me... I'm being 100% serious too.
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Thanks for the suggestion
DrBuzzFarmer said:
Sure have. For those wanting to get into organics, it's a very easy foot in the door.
edit: it's a system similar to Subcool's Super soil, but you let the microlife develop in the pot instead of 'precooking' several bags of soil.
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@DrBuzzFarmer If I mixed this up with coco in a 7 gallon fabric pot and grew a single plant, how long could I expect it to thrive before I would need to fertilize, or does the original base mix along with the recommended top dressings carry it all the way to harvest? It's an outdoor grow of course.
 
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PadawanWarrior

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Buds N Brew said:
@PJ Diaz Why? What makes it more suitable for soil?
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He is correct that a peat based soil is better for organics than plain coco. Peat has a higher CEC for one. I'm doing no-till. I've been using the same base soil for 3 1/2 years with organics. It can be done in coco, but I agree that peat based soil is better for organics.

Here's some basic differences between coco and peat.

www.kisorganics.com

Peat vs Coco Coir

This can be a hotly debated topic among growers as to what's the best media for growing plants. In this article, I'll weigh in with my opinion on the subject as there are Pros and Cons to both.
www.kisorganics.com www.kisorganics.com
 
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Buds N Brew

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DrBuzzFarmer said:
I've used it as I described multiple times. I even have friends who use it very successfully.
You don't know what you are talking about.
If you bothered to do your research before flapping your lips, you'd know that every video from the manufacturer is using coco as a base.
If you don't know, why not be silent?
Otherwise you look like a fool for stating what others know to be wrong.
Check out an Earth Dust grow...
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@DrBuzzFarmer It looks pretty healthy to me.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PadawanWarrior said:
They also say it can be done. Some people can make coco work with organics.

This is not to say it’s impossible. If you are using coco coir, we suggest you start with 3-5 tablespoons of Base and 1 tablespoon of Boost for every gallon of coco coir. Blending in some additional organic material such as peat moss may prove helpful as well. Paying attention to the pH of your water is more important with coco coir as well, since the low CEC limits the relative amount of ionic exchange, which in turn limits the microbial capacity to regulate pH. A good range to aim for in the pH of your water when using coco is 5.8 – 6.5. Coco coir is also not very good at retaining water, so a much more rigorous schedule will be in order.
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Maybe a few successful grows outside that Uhaul moving box in real world organics before you preach what your sales brochures sold you. Stop killing peoples grows because you read it on the net. 002.jpg005.jpg004.jpg008.jpg
 
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