Langenbenite - does it kill beneficials?

So you put everything in the compost pile, and then just use use the compost?

Neem meal, kelp meal, insect frass, everything composted with your greens and browns? Then you just have super compost, full of nutrients? Mix in with old soil or new peat+arreation, and you're 100% ready to go? No further cooking?

This seems fool proof.

Yes I personally found it much easier that way. Just give all ammendments to worms rocks dust everything. When re amending that's all ammendments broken down etc and with top dress . I have another kid on the way and had to quit growing for a while as I can't have a newbie next to grow room lol. But I am actually looking for like a old 400 or so gallon tank off a tractor for pesticides or whatever they use to spray fields with lay it down like a hot dog cut the top off and have a 400+ gallon worm bin and just feed them ammendments and table scraps for a while so when I do my next run in say a year or 2 then I will have ultimate soil

youraveragehorticulturist said:

So you put everything in the compost pile, and then just use use the compost?

Neem meal, kelp meal, insect frass, everything composted with your greens and browns? Then you just have super compost, full of nutrients? Mix in with old soil or new peat+arreation, and you're 100% ready to go? No further cooking?

This seems fool proof.

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YES, YES, YES!!!
precisely.
In fact I wish I started doing that yrs and yrs ago, the easiest way to grow herb, plus if you make enough leaf compost you can eventually go completely without peat or coco in a super nice and neutral humus based mix.
I use leaves, alfalfa meal (and fresh), kelp meal, grass clippings, fish bone meal, greensand, aforementioned langbeinite, rock phosphates, doghair, beardclippings, smashed whole insects, crab meal, shrimp meal.
And the last pile I did I actually made with fish meal and bat guanos too, as I had some leftover from yrs prior. Those work awesome to start the thermophillic composting.
Layer it like lasagna, then all ya gotta do is keep it lightly covered, and keep it moist.
I'm a total dork, but I get a kick out of a steaming compost pile... especially when it's cold out, and you can literally warm your hands from the heat.
Doesn't have to be that complicated either. I just like to fortify it with different "speeds" of nutrient availability.
A compost of just grass clippings, minerals, leaves, and kelp would be totally fine.

anzohaze said:

Yes I personally found it much easier that way. Just give all ammendments to worms rocks dust everything. When re amending that's all ammendments broken down etc and with top dress . I have another kid on the way and had to quit growing for a while as I can't have a newbie next to grow room lol. But I am actually looking for like a old 400 or so gallon tank off a tractor for pesticides or whatever they use to spray fields with lay it down like a hot dog cut the top off and have a 400+ gallon worm bin and just feed them ammendments and table scraps for a while so when I do my next run in say a year or 2 then I will have ultimate soil

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you know, I've seen a real easy and quick compost pie design...
five wooden pallets.
Make a "box" out of them and you're done.
That's where i'm headed, especially since I lost like half of my compost pile due to the insane redwood roots that grew UP into the pile.
What a whore that was... I have gigantic tussles of roots, like as big as a beach ball.

youraveragehorticulturist said:

So you put everything in the compost pile, and then just use use the compost?

Neem meal, kelp meal, insect frass, everything composted with your greens and browns? Then you just have super compost, full of nutrients? Mix in with old soil or new peat+arreation, and you're 100% ready to go? No further cooking?

This seems fool proof.

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if you haven't spent some time on homesteading sites, I reaaaally urge you to, I learned a lot from those crazy hippies.
Especially regarding compost and water/irrigation/conservation techniques.
That being said I didn't get the fortified compost pile idea from them, just kinda happened naturally, and then when I saw the results.. WOW.
To give you an idea, I had a 5 foot streeeeetchy sativa, that was being stubborn on indicating it's sex, so I kept it in a teensy container, and it started yellowing and looking pissed off, anyways after it finally showed pistils, I gave it a handful of my compost just soley on the top, and watered it through, ad about 7-10 days later the plant was all green already.
Almost like a cure-all for plants. Obviously to a degree.

I set my compost bins up earlier this year....

All yard waste goes in accept for the fruit. I had plenty of new apple and pear trees to deal with from throwing them into a pile last year.

ButchyBoy said:

I set my compost bins up earlier this year....

All yard waste goes in accept for the fruit. I had plenty of new apple and pear trees to deal with from throwing them into a pile last year.

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shit man, i'd through some of that fruit in there!
Phosphurus in it's best state
not to mention it'll make the redworms go nuts.

greasemonkeymann said:

shit man, i'd through some of that fruit in there!
Phosphurus in it's best state
not to mention it'll make the redworms go nuts.

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And that is what I thought also.. But hundreds of baby trees became a drag! That was just a pile I had made in the center of the garden area last year. My veggy garden was a miniature orchard Lol.

ButchyBoy said:

And that is what I thought also.. But hundreds of baby trees became a drag! That was just a pile I had made in the center of the garden area last year. My veggy garden was a miniature orchard Lol.

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ahh gotcha, pump up the thermophillic portion of your compost and it'll smoke those seeds.
gotta pump up the nitrogen levels.
fresh alfalfa feed works awesome for that, as well as fresh grass clippings

greasemonkeymann said:

ahh gotcha, pump up the thermophillic portion of your compost and it'll smoke those seeds.
gotta pump up the nitrogen levels.
fresh alfalfa feed works awesome for that, as well as fresh grass clippings

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I read about the heat killing the seeds. The two bins on the left are layered with lawn clipping and are nice and toasty in the centers. The far right bin is for leafs that will be covering my yard soon! I'm going to go ahead and toss all of the fruit that hits the ground in there. Since you changed my mind

I've been using the compost for the veggie gardens for awhile. The results were great.

This spring I took the plunge started using the compost inside. I was too afraid of "bugs" to try it before. It worked again, and no bugs!

I've been considering the idea of just putting everything in the compost pile. I keep talking myself out of it. I think its my "frugal nature." You bros totally convinced me tho.

youraveragehorticulturist said:

I've been using the compost for the veggie gardens for awhile. The results were great.

This spring I took the plunge started using the compost inside. I was too afraid of "bugs" to try it before. It worked again, and no bugs!

I've been considering the idea of just putting everything in the compost pile. I keep talking myself out of it. I think its my "frugal nature." You bros totally convinced me tho.

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I wondered about bugs. I can see the little guys crawling around in there. I imagine after it has composted those bugs won't be there anymore. It's getting cold out and a lot of my veggy garden has started to die already. I have 12 cantaloupe that didn't make it to finish that got tossed onto the piles along with a bunch of cucumbers. We harvested a ton of herbs and will in no way be able to use all of them by next year so a bunch of that made it to the piles also.
I've been dropping the leafs from the broccoli plants onto the ground in the garden along with cardboard. Most of it has already decomposed. I have a huge pile of cardboard in the garage that I will cover the garden with prior to the snow falling. I am debating covering the cardboard with a truck load of compost.

I usually mound grass clippings behind the shed during the summer. In the fall my yard is full of leaves, so I layer up a couple piles. They do their thing till spring, then I dump compost on the garden in March or so.

Now I wish I hadn't wasted so much on the tomatoes.

Somebody who sounded smart said that bugs who eat plants won't be hanging out in a pile of compost. They're out somewhere eating plants. It sounded good to me. I haven't seen any bad guys inside.

youraveragehorticulturist said:

Somebody who sounded smart said that bugs who eat plants won't be hanging out in a pile of compost. They're out somewhere eating plants. It sounded good to me. I haven't seen any bad guys inside.

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only bugs I ever get are mites, and they sure as hell aren't hanging out in my compost.
Never fungus gnats, thrips or any of those.
well INSIDE that is...
outside is different, but c'mon, you're in their world out there...

vostok said:

Perhaps if you stayed in school a little longer you may have learnt to read,...
certainly got a better name than 'monkey in grease?' read the back label... its in the label..! dah!

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Actually, the Amazon reseller obviously posted the wrong product description. greasemonkey is correct about the origin of Langbeinite/So-Po-Mag/sulfate of potash magnesia/potassium magnesium sulfate; all more or less different names for the same mineral. Dissolution takes place gradually.

youraveragehorticulturist said:

So you put everything in the compost pile, and then just use use the compost?

Neem meal, kelp meal, insect frass, everything composted with your greens and browns? Then you just have super compost, full of nutrients? Mix in with old soil or new peat+arreation, and you're 100% ready to go? No further cooking?

This seems fool proof.

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Free chlorine/chlorine gas (elemental) are harmful to microbes and potentially other life organisms. Ionic chlorine is used by plants as a trace element.

youraveragehorticulturist said:

Somebody who sounded smart said that bugs who eat plants won't be hanging out in a pile of compost. They're out somewhere eating plants. It sounded good to me. I haven't seen any bad guys inside.

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Not only that, but compost has predators that will eat the plant-eating bugs. You probably still want to be careful not to introduce contaminated debris though.

greasemonkeymann said:

Ahhh the disrespect and ignorance is strong in you.
Perhaps you shouldn't rely on amazon to ascertain "factual" information.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/langbeinite
http://www.omri.org/simple-gml-search/results/Langbeinite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langbeinite
I won't embarrass you further than you've done on your own.
I'm the last person you want to argue with, as I only argue when I know I factually correct.
You mentioned reading....
I do a good amount of that.
appears you may want to delve into that hobby before arguing publicly.
Silly amazon-people mislabeling things...
It also lists it as a "potent topdress" ...

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You are correct ,...on further reading I have realized that I'm wrong, and indeed was thinking of another product at the time, I thought this product to be yet another Neem ripoff,
and my intent was to advise the OP to buy the real thing rather than a copy
These Langbeinites are a family of crystalline substances based on the structure of langbeinite with basic formula M2M'2(SO4)3. says wiki and I can only agree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langbeinites

vostok said:

You are correct ,...on further reading I have realized that I'm wrong, and indeed was thinking of another product at the time, I thought this product to be yet another Neem ripoff,
and my intent was to advise the OP to buy the real thing rather than a copy
These Langbeinites are a family of crystalline substances based on the structure of langbeinite with basic formula M2M'2(SO4)3. says wiki and I can only agree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langbeinites

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I appreciate that man.
I wasn't trying to be cantankerous or disrespectful.
Life is waaay too short and fragile to contaminate one's own fishtank.
Have a good weekend