Langenbenite - does it kill beneficials?

[the aparition]

I saw that it had a chlorine content (3% I think) which can't be good for beneficials, right? Anybody have any insight they can share?

 

[green_machine_two9er]

Since chlorine is considered a micronutrient and helps in osmosis and photosynthesis I think you'll be fine.

 

[the aparition]

Ok, thanks.

 

[youraveragehorticulturist]

0-0-22 with magnesium and sulfur.

I know this stuff is an ingredient in some commercial soils. Does anyone use it in their own mix? How much?

Like 8 years ago, I used some stuff called "Epsom Plus" from Espoma. Was that stuff Langenbienite?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

0-0-22 with magnesium and sulfur.

I know this stuff is an ingredient in some commercial soils. Does anyone use it in their own mix? How much?

Like 8 years ago, I used some stuff called "Epsom Plus" from Espoma. Was that stuff Langenbienite?

I used it when I made my compost pile a ways back, I like it, and I like greensand also, both extremely slow release form of minerals and potassium
also sulfur is there too.
I used two cups for my whole pile, which the pile made probably 3 cubic feet of compost.
I also used it religiously for yrs, but then stopped, for no reason.
Since I went to the compost-method of growing I throw all the stuff in the pile and then wait and mix, wait and mix..
When it's done it's the simplest method of growing I've ever had.

 

[vostok]

Excellent way to strengthen root systems, improve plant immunity and balance nutrient levels in the soil
Can be mixed into soil or potting mediums, used as a top dress or steeped to make a potent foliar tea
Produced during the extraction of oil from the seed of the Indian Neem tree
Carefully blended from organic nutrients in the ideal proportions without the use of synthetics, growth stimulants or low quality fillers
Highest quality ingredients help provide an effective and environmentally friendly approach to plant care, crop fertilization and soil management

Yet another Neem(oil/cake) Fake/ Ripoff stick to the real stuff add neem to your watering schedule, its systemic too, plants drink it up

http://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-Langbeinite-Potassium-Fertilizer/dp/B00VJN96LG

 

[green_machine_two9er]

Excellent way to strengthen root systems, improve plant immunity and balance nutrient levels in the soil
Can be mixed into soil or potting mediums, used as a top dress or steeped to make a potent foliar tea
Produced during the extraction of oil from the seed of the Indian Neem tree
Carefully blended from organic nutrients in the ideal proportions without the use of synthetics, growth stimulants or low quality fillers
Highest quality ingredients help provide an effective and environmentally friendly approach to plant care, crop fertilization and soil management

Yet another Neem(oil/cake) Fake/ Ripoff stick to the real stuff add neem to your watering schedule, its systemic too, plants drink it up

http://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-Langbeinite-Potassium-Fertilizer/dp/B00VJN96LG

So your saying to water in neem oil regularly? Like the liquid bottled which has been on my pest shelf for years. Or is it neem meal you want.?

 

[vostok]

Neem Oil and Neem Cake are beneficial to soils in their own right, but at 0-0-22 (this product) all you are really getting is the 22, of K.. the (N) and (P) are missing??, in this case all you are really buying is an organic slop that holds a lot more (K) than (N) or (P) ..tho the plant want the (K) in veg, it needs it in bud.
To most growers thats in about a month or twos time, by then you would have inadvertently washed that out? (citation needed)
if you need (K) in bud, apply it foilar like, and is fun, any general fruiting compound would have ample (K) for your plant to exploit, Kelp is mine

to my blog: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/kelp-nute-feed-d-i-y.30209/

and new: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/foilar-tools-and-application.32101/

 

[the aparition]

I was interested cause I thought "kill 3 birds with 1 stone." I use kelp for potassium as well but figured getting mag and sulfur was just gravy on top.

I had not seen much on it so I thought I would start a discussion. Thanks for all the good info.

 

[shredder4]

This particular product is also known as sul-po-mag, and k-mag. I've tried it as a top dress and found it too hot for my soil, and I got burning when I fed any potasium(k). I have used it early in flower at about a tbs for 5 gallons of water/tea about 2-3 times total for a flower cycle, without issues.

If you use it, go carefully. Potassium is easy to overdue in organic soil. I do like to top dress a small amount when tomatoes are setting though, it really shines there.

 

[darkzero]

ok would it make a difference if you use it to make your flowering soil, in which you let cook for month before putting anything in there I had this product in mind myself, and would a cup or two in 35 gallons of soil be too much if so what would you guys recommend

 

[youraveragehorticulturist]

Oh! Sol-po-mag. I've heard of that before.

Is this stuff totally water soluable? Will it just disolve in water like epsom salts? I love my compost pile, and letting my microbes do the work and stuff. But sometimes my plants look a little weak, and I like to hit them with some "liquid nutes." I figure anything that I mix into water myself doesn't count as "bottled."

This stuff could be cool to keep on the shelf, in case my soil runs out of steam at the end of flower.

Also;
How much sulfur do my plants need?
Including more minerals and rocks and rock dust has improved my soil and results lately. If some gypsum is good, would some gypsum and a little sul-po-mag be even better?

Obviously, this stuff isn't some secret to doubled yields, but I love mixing stuff up.

Is that line about neem just a misprint or something? Usually Down To Earth is 1000% legit, in my experience.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Excellent way to strengthen root systems, improve plant immunity and balance nutrient levels in the soil
Can be mixed into soil or potting mediums, used as a top dress or steeped to make a potent foliar tea
Produced during the extraction of oil from the seed of the Indian Neem tree
Carefully blended from organic nutrients in the ideal proportions without the use of synthetics, growth stimulants or low quality fillers
Highest quality ingredients help provide an effective and environmentally friendly approach to plant care, crop fertilization and soil management

Yet another Neem(oil/cake) Fake/ Ripoff stick to the real stuff add neem to your watering schedule, its systemic too, plants drink it up

http://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-Langbeinite-Potassium-Fertilizer/dp/B00VJN96LG

um.. not sure where you got that from, but langbeinite and neem have ZERO relation to each other.
It's mined from marine salt deposits.
I have no idea where neem came into this.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

This particular product is also known as sul-po-mag, and k-mag. I've tried it as a top dress and found it too hot for my soil, and I got burning when I fed any potasium(k). I have used it early in flower at about a tbs for 5 gallons of water/tea about 2-3 times total for a flower cycle, without issues.

If you use it, go carefully. Potassium is easy to overdue in organic soil. I do like to top dress a small amount when tomatoes are setting though, it really shines there.

it's too potent as a topdress, its sorta water soluble and that's too potent for that, you want it aged and composted in your compost prior to putting it in your soil.
And you go lightly with ANYTHING that high in potassium.
Except greensand which takes yrs to break down.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

look at it sorta like Epsom salt with potassium, only less soluble.

 

[vostok]

um.. not sure where you got that from, but langbeinite and neem have ZERO relation to each other.
It's mined from marine salt deposits.
I have no idea where neem came into this.

Perhaps if you stayed in school a little longer you may have learnt to read,...
certainly got a better name than 'monkey in grease?' read the back label... its in the label..! dah!

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Perhaps if you stayed in school a little longer you may have learnt to read,...
certainly got a better name than 'monkey in grease?' read the back label... its in the label..! dah!

Ahhh the disrespect and ignorance is strong in you.
Perhaps you shouldn't rely on amazon to ascertain "factual" information.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/langbeinite
http://www.omri.org/simple-gml-search/results/Langbeinite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langbeinite
I won't embarrass you further than you've done on your own.
I'm the last person you want to argue with, as I only argue when I know I factually correct.
You mentioned reading....
I do a good amount of that.
appears you may want to delve into that hobby before arguing publicly.
Silly amazon-people mislabeling things...
It also lists it as a "potent topdress" ...

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Perhaps if you stayed in school a little longer you may have learnt to read,...
certainly got a better name than 'monkey in grease?' read the back label... its in the label..! dah!

Besides you didn't double check this after I said that?
You just double checked the amazon site?
Ahhh man...
That's alright, I still love you man, just soley for all the newbie irritation you cause, which is very entertaining when I lack work to do here.
The key is to KNOW what you are talking about, rather than reading a back of a box that isn't even accurate.
Pretty much most experienced organic growers know wtf sul-po-mag is...

 

[greasemonkeymann]

heres a good pdf if you are interested.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

So your saying to water in neem oil regularly? Like the liquid bottled which has been on my pest shelf for years. Or is it neem meal you want.?

neem meal is what you want, and in my experience it's NOT a systemic approach to combat any bugs at all.
But neem meal is some great stuff.
I use it always.