Kind soil mold????

Chicsgro2 said:

oh no, I don't want to kill everything. I sat still and did nothing with the soil today so I could research more about this. The soil IS fine to use as is, however it is my understanding that if I had chosen to pasturize at 140 degrees beneficial microbes would survive, and any fungi, diseases, insects (anything unwanted in the soil) would die. Keeping the bag open today reduced the strong odor significantly. I am putting one of my seedlings in the soil tomorrow with a seedling mix as a top layer. I will test how she does for a week before putting the other girls in. We are all here to learn, test, experiment so we can pass knowledge along. Let's not fight, let's respect one another 'cause no matter what info. we get here we should always research and test for ourselves. Much peace and grow love to all, and thanks for the feedback.

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ahh just saw this...
DON'T layer...
really...
just don't

greasemonkeymann said:

ahh just saw this...
DON'T layer...
really...
just don't

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The only reason I was going to layer is because those are the manufacturer's instructions. It says not plant directly into kind soil but have the kind soil at the bottom of pot and fox farms, root organics, or some other organic medium at the top. The way I read it the kind soil is focused toward feeding roots from veg to harvest without the need for nutes so having a top layer of it would be pointless? That's the only reason I can see them instructing consumers to use kindsoil at the bottom of pots only. What is your take on it Greasemonkeymann??

Chicsgro2 said:

Thanks. So this is "beneficial bacteria"??? 'Cause I'm telling ya if I could upload the funky smell that's emanating from that bag ... It's like a food that smells so funky you really don't wanna put it in your mouth but when you do it's heavenly ya know??? I am hoping for a heavenly result if I decide to use this 'cause with my work schedule and 10 ladies growing I am trying to keep things a little bit simpler. Not too much simpler 'cause spending time loving on my garden is therapeutic but ... when I am not there I want them to be
loved well by their soil! Have you PERSONALLY tried this soil?

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you seem like a clever girl...
think of this logically...
cannabis is a drought tolerant plant... after transplanting the roots SHOOT to the bottom of the new container, sometimes growing literally feet of roots within days..
so...
The concept of a layered soil is a severely flawed one, especially in conjunction with soluble, short-acting nutrients..
in other words... that soil is loaded with nutrients (duh) BUT it's loaded with water soluble nutrients...
those nutrients are not only acidic in nature, but in something that's poorly cycled/anaerobic (which is why it stinks)
the anaerobic-ness exacerbates the acidity..
not to mention the theory behind it all is predicated on the nutrients being "there" later when the plant "needs" it.
Which is silly... to say the least...
when the nutrients are clearly "washed" away by weeks of waterings..
Also different parts of roots do different things...
I could go on, but the regulars here are probably tired of reading it over and over

Chicsgro2 said:

The only reason I was going to layer is because those are the manufacturer's instructions. It says not plant directly into kind soil but have the kind soil at the bottom of pot and fox farms, root organics, or some other organic medium at the top. The way I read it the kind soil is focused toward feeding roots from veg to harvest without the need for nutes so having a top layer of it would be pointless? That's the only reason I can see them instructing consumers to use kindsoil at the bottom of pots only. What is your take on it Greasemonkeymann??

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You have a clear understanding on the "premise" of it.
but sadly the design is flawed.
You can easily make a much superior soil mix, using more meal based nutrients, that are chosen on their cycling times, choosing slow, medium, and fast release forms of nutrients, that also do more than one thing at a time (like controlling PH, or adding chitin)
Water only recipes are fairly simple to assemble, provided you have access to them.

greasemonkeymann said:

You have a clear understanding on the "premise" of it.
but sadly the design is flawed.
You can easily make a much superior soil mix, using more meal based nutrients, that are chosen on their cycling times, choosing slow, medium, and fast release forms of nutrients, that also do more than one thing at a time (like controlling PH, or adding chitin)
Water only recipes are fairly simple to assemble, provided you have access to them.

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Don't know how clever I am but just went with my gut. Once I put the "kind soil" in the bottom of the pot only and another soil on top, it simply didn't "feel" right if that makes sense. So I literally said f**k it, if I am going to experiment with something new, go balls to the wall and experiment with it! So I just mixed it all up together, talking to my girls while I planted them in it, and the soil mixture just "felt" right. So at the end of the day I couldn't bring myself to "layer" anyway. Anytime I try to overthink s**t with my girls I have failed them miserably. The simpler I keep things and just let them do what they were created to do, the better the pay off. I haven't tried anything new as far as soil goes, for a while so this was totally an impulse buy for the hell of it. We shall see what happens. As long as my girls don't die, and I know they won't, I can help them overcome anything. Peace to you bruh, and thanks for all of your feedback.

Chicsgro2 said:

Don't know how clever I am but just went with my gut. Once I put the "kind soil" in the bottom of the pot only and another soil on top, it simply didn't "feel" right if that makes sense. So I literally said f**k it, if I am going to experiment with something new, go balls to the wall and experiment with it! So I just mixed it all up together, talking to my girls while I planted them in it, and the soil mixture just "felt" right. So at the end of the day I couldn't bring myself to "layer" anyway. Anytime I try to overthink s**t with my girls I have failed them miserably. The simpler I keep things and just let them do what they were created to do, the better the pay off. I haven't tried anything new as far as soil goes, for a while so this was totally an impulse buy for the hell of it. We shall see what happens. As long as my girls don't die, and I know they won't, I can help them overcome anything. Peace to you bruh, and thanks for all of your feedback.

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Like I said...
clever girl.
You'll do much better using that method.
It's a step in the right direction, after you get the feel of it, and in no time at all, you'll be making and re-using your own soil, having your own wormbin and compost pile, utilizing your own comfrey and such, growing herb FAR superior to anyone you know

greasemonkeymann said:

Like I said...
clever girl.
You'll do much better using that method.
It's a step in the right direction, after you get the feel of it, and in no time at all, you'll be making and re-using your own soil, having your own wormbin and compost pile, utilizing your own comfrey and such, growing herb FAR superior to anyone you know

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I like the sound of all the above. Have actually started to research the composting and how it works. It sounds quite ambitious and seems like a long grueling process but I definitely know I willl get into it some day. Maybe sooner than later. It is my hope to one day grow those HUGE buds that stems cannot support!!

Chicsgro2 said:

I like the sound of all the above. Have actually started to research the composting and how it works. It sounds quite ambitious and seems like a long grueling process but I definitely know I willl get into it some day. Maybe sooner than later. It is my hope to one day grow those HUGE buds that stems cannot support!!

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composting sounds MUCH more daunting than it actually is.
gather leaves, gather grass clippings, and get a couple dry amendments and that's it.
You can do much more, or even less..
but the end result is MASS amounts of organic humus, which in my opinion is the most commonly overlooked and quite possibly one of the top things that is required for fantastic herb.

Chicsgro2 said:

Okay so I am a chic who will give something a try at least once. So I ordered some "Kind Soil" and upon opening it this a.m. I noticed this moldy smelling spider web looking s**t!! I typically make my own soil mix but out of pure laziness thought I would try something new. This can't be right, or can it???? My ladies won't see a drop of this soil until I get some answers. Anybody have experience with this soil brand other than people from the company who post here? Holla back! Maybe it's a fluke and I just got a bad batch???

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Did it smell kinda nauseatingly sweet ? Fermented or putrid? Grossly sweet or wet beach after a rain? Haha

The layering thing is probably in reference to starting with a base soil and transplanting into the hot soil but adding a cushion so the rootball isn't going from plastic to hot soil. Rather plastic to a lil more base soil then through into the Kind Soil. I've fermented a 5 gal pail of soil and planted autos in it. Did fine.

MjAeJdIiK said:

You could always pasturize the soil to be safe

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I disagree...

He already answered

iHearAll said:

Did it smell kinda nauseatingly sweet ? Fermented or putrid? Grossly sweet or wet beach after a rain? Haha

The layering thing is probably in reference to starting with a base soil and transplanting into the hot soil but adding a cushion so the rootball isn't going from plastic to hot soil. Rather plastic to a lil more base soil then through into the Kind Soil. I've fermented a 5 gal pail of soil and planted autos in it. Did fine.

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Didn't layer it, I mixed with something less hot to stretch it out and even then it was a little hot so had to stretch it a little more. It's good soil, and there was nothing nauseatingly sweet about what I as smellin'! LOL!! Fermented and putrid yes. But again, NOTHING sweet about that funk. Almost burned my nostrils!! I have a sensitive nose though. Overall, for me, that soil worked best when mixed with my other organic mix. I would not buy again. I have now become a 100% Fox Farms Happy Frog user until I start dedicating myself to composting.

Chicsgro2 said:

Didn't layer it, I mixed with something less hot to stretch it out and even then it was a little hot so had to stretch it a little more. It's good soil, and there was nothing nauseatingly sweet about what I as smellin'! LOL!! Fermented and putrid yes. But again, NOTHING sweet about that funk. Almost burned my nostrils!! I have a sensitive nose though. Overall, for me, that soil worked best when mixed with my other organic mix. I would not buy again. I have now become a 100% Fox Farms Happy Frog user until I start dedicating myself to composting.

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Ah werd. Makes sense. Do you have land for composting? I'm moving indoors soon but i make all my ingredients from scratch. It's going to be a sad few years if i cannot make compost. I'll probably build a tumbler for the porch. Uh fuck and the worm bins.. wtf to do...

iHearAll said:

Ah werd. Makes sense. Do you have land for composting? I'm moving indoors soon but i make all my ingredients from scratch. It's going to be a sad few years if i cannot make compost. I'll probably build a tumbler for the porch. Uh fuck and the worm bins.. wtf to do...

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I have land for it, just haven't dedicated myself to it at this point. After reading so much about it on here, seeing fabulous results, and just knowing that by composting my girls will be getting nothing but organic goodness, I took an interest in it. However, it's currently on my list of ... "one of these days I'm gonna" ... I really need to do more research on the topic, I probably make it more complicated in my brain than it actually is.

I figured out the best way to use this soil: Mix 2/3 kind soil 1/3 regular soil (roots organic original and fox farm salamander). I'm going to use Vegamatrix during veg state and wash it out, for several days, prior to transplanting in the kindsoil/regular soil mix (and with a small amount of regular soil between the two) and then initiate flowering. The plants will be big enough to handle the soil mix..etc. I'm testing kind soil on two plans (supreme CBD durban and Master Kush) and vegamatrix and two more (sour diesel and Cookies Kush). I"ll post pictures and my end results once I'm finished. Thanks for the input you all (and greasemonkey).

Lucius Bundy said:

I figured out the best way to use this soil: Mix 2/3 kind soil 1/3 regular soil (roots organic original and fox farm salamander). I'm going to use Vegamatrix during veg state and wash it out, for several days, prior to transplanting in the kindsoil/regular soil mix (and with a small amount of regular soil between the two) and then initiate flowering. The plants will be big enough to handle the soil mix..etc. I'm testing kind soil on two plans (supreme CBD durban and Master Kush) and vegamatrix and two more (sour diesel and Cookies Kush). I"ll post pictures and my end results once I'm finished. Thanks for the input you all (and greasemonkey).

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Lookińg forward to seeng your results. I'd not heard of Vegamatrix until now!

Lucius Bundy said:

I figured out the best way to use this soil: Mix 2/3 kind soil 1/3 regular soil (roots organic original and fox farm salamander). I'm going to use Vegamatrix during veg state and wash it out, for several days, prior to transplanting in the kindsoil/regular soil mix (and with a small amount of regular soil between the two) and then initiate flowering. The plants will be big enough to handle the soil mix..etc. I'm testing kind soil on two plans (supreme CBD durban and Master Kush) and vegamatrix and two more (sour diesel and Cookies Kush). I"ll post pictures and my end results once I'm finished. Thanks for the input you all (and greasemonkey).

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My pleasure to help in any way at all.
were you going to feed the plants in the kindsoil? or do water-only?

Chicsgro2 said:

Lookińg forward to seeng your results. I'd not heard of Vegamatrix until now!

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Just remember I don't care WHO recommends it, any manufuckturer (yes that's misspelled on purpose) that tries to sell you six friggin bottles is just asinine.
water based no less.
I am just tryin to look out for you, get an assortment of dry meals, and you are DONE for yrs and yrs, and it's all less than a starter mix of that water-based 6-part nutrient regimen.
you don't need that at all, that's a full-on hydro company tactic.
Not saying it won't work, i'm saying they WANT you to think that's all needed to work, and it simply isn't.

greasemonkeymann said:

My pleasure to help in any way at all.
were you going to feed the plants in the kindsoil? or do water-only?

Just remember I don't care WHO recommends it, any manufuckturer (yes that's misspelled on purpose) that tries to sell you six friggin bottles is just asinine.
water based no less.
I am just tryin to look out for you, get an assortment of dry meals, and you are DONE for yrs and yrs, and it's all less than a starter mix of that water-based 6-part nutrient regimen.
you don't need that at all, that's a full-on hydro company tactic.
Not saying it won't work, i'm saying they WANT you to think that's all needed to work, and it simply isn't.

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I'm conducting two different results broski:

Some will use kindsoil and some will use vegamatrix. I'll post my results once I"m done. Thanks again and have a great weekend

Lucius Bundy said:

I'm conducting two different results broski:

Some will use kindsoil and some will use vegamatrix. I'll post my results once I"m done. Thanks again and have a great weekend

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Also, I'm going to use coco coir (with vegamatrix). I heard Pro Mix HPCC is theee best for vegamatrix.

Chicsgro2 said:

Lookińg forward to seeng your results. I'd not heard of Vegamatrix until now!

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Yes, I will most definitely post them. Have a great weekend