Keep Indoor and Flower.... or toss outside? Please weigh in. First time grower (long rant)

holy crap this is long...

Pic is of the two plants i have in my 5x3x7' tall box..

I started three fem AK47 seeds back around April and managed to overwater/kill all but ONE.

It took weeks for the plant to recover and I should have started over, but now the plant has recovered and is a decent size (after 3 months lol). It's been a good learning experience... watering/nutes/LST/temps/humidity/blahblah..

In May I started a few of the feminized freebies I got from attitude... One particular Glueberry OG plant took off and quickly grew to the point where it's almost caught up to the single AK47.

I took 4 or 5 AK47 clones and moved all my other plants outside for the summer (total of 10 outside). frisian dew, holland's hope, and a couple other Attitude fem freebie strains.

I'm at 42 parallel... It's humid as hell in my basement right now. my 5'x3'x7' tall grow box is in a larger 8x6 footprint room.

LIGHTs ON: I'm maintaining 78-80 degrees/65% in the box with an eight T8 fixture.. (260W).
440CFM Fan kicks on whenever temps reach 80... happens frequently.
With lights on I can drop that humidity from 65% to 50% (or less) if I position the dehumidifier near the intake filter of my box so when the fan kicks in it pulls dryer air into the box. The issue is temps push to 83 degrees, in itself not the end of the world..

LIGHTs OFF: something like 72 degress/78% humidity. I can push the humidity down into the 50s, BUT the temps aren't really dropping.

I've read that there should be a differential in temps between day/night, something like 5-10 degrees.

I've got 400W (vs 260W of T of LEDs for the flower phase, which is going to make controlling temps and humidity even more of a challenge.

SO... the big question... I've been babying these plants for a few months now and I really wanted to have a go at flowering them indoors. But does it make sense to try and deal with the temp/humidity issue when I can just toss them outside? These are both 8 week flowering strains, but am worried about mold/early freeze/insects.
Another plus to tossing them outside is that I can get another bunch of plants going in the box which will be ready to flower when the high humidity is pretty much over in the fall.

My other option is to partially air-seal/completely light-seal the 8x6 room and just leave the grow box door off.
This might let me control temps/humidity much more easily.

Keep inside

Hairiest_Stamen said:

holy crap this is long...

Pic is of the two plants i have in my 5x3x7' tall box..

I started three fem AK47 seeds back around April and managed to overwater/kill all but ONE.

It took weeks for the plant to recover and I should have started over, but now the plant has recovered and is a decent size (after 3 months lol). It's been a good learning experience... watering/nutes/LST/temps/humidity/blahblah..

In May I started a few of the feminized freebies I got from attitude... One particular Glueberry OG plant took off and quickly grew to the point where it's almost caught up to the single AK47.

I took 4 or 5 AK47 clones and moved all my other plants outside for the summer (total of 10 outside). frisian dew, holland's hope, and a couple other Attitude fem freebie strains.

I'm at 42 parallel... It's humid as hell in my basement right now. my 5'x3'x7' tall grow box is in a larger 8x6 footprint room.

LIGHTs ON: I'm maintaining 78-80 degrees/65% in the box with an eight T8 fixture.. (260W).
440CFM Fan kicks on whenever temps reach 80... happens frequently.
With lights on I can drop that humidity from 65% to 50% (or less) if I position the dehumidifier near the intake filter of my box so when the fan kicks in it pulls dryer air into the box. The issue is temps push to 83 degrees, in itself not the end of the world..

LIGHTs OFF: something like 72 degress/78% humidity. I can push the humidity down into the 50s, BUT the temps aren't really dropping.

I've read that there should be a differential in temps between day/night, something like 5-10 degrees.

I've got 400W (vs 260W of T of LEDs for the flower phase, which is going to make controlling temps and humidity even more of a challenge.

SO... the big question... I've been babying these plants for a few months now and I really wanted to have a go at flowering them indoors. But does it make sense to try and deal with the temp/humidity issue when I can just toss them outside? These are both 8 week flowering strains, but am worried about mold/early freeze/insects.
Another plus to tossing them outside is that I can get another bunch of plants going in the box which will be ready to flower when the high humidity is pretty much over in the fall.

My other option is to partially air-seal/completely light-seal the 8x6 room and just leave the grow box door off.
This might let me control temps/humidity much more easily.

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Ive dealt with high humidity above 70 the majority of my grows. Ive never had a harvest i had to toss. A nug here and there got some mold and you can still make edibles or tincture with those after a decarb or just make oil. Or maybe worth it to invest in a dehumidifier. At least make sure theres plenty of air circulation and thatll help a lot

There is no light you can buy that is comparable to the power of the sun. If outdoors is an option, use it! Build a hoop house for them if worried about mold.
Mold is a constant problem where I live. Indoors and out. And yes I have a dehumidifier and two 10k btu a.c. s I have to dump the dehumidifier daily to keep around 55 %!

Veg in the 5x3 and flower in the remaining 5x5ish area?

Also, get more lights.

And with enough ventilation and air movement (two seperate things) those temp and RH readings should be fine. Keep the exhaust fans on at night, RH goes up at night

Buyfrommycity said:

There is no light you can buy that is comparable to the power of the sun. If outdoors is an option, use it! Build a hoop house for them if worried about mold.
Mold is a constant problem where I live. Indoors and out. And yes I have a dehumidifier and two 10k btu a.c. s I have to dump the dehumidifier daily to keep around 55 %!

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Id say hps is pretty damn comparable if not better in terms of results lol. Put an hps close enough and youll harm a plant with light intensity stronger than the sun at this distance so id say there are definitely lights you can buy that are close enough. And ive grown some good bud under cfls.

Hairiest_Stamen said:

holy crap this is long...

Pic is of the two plants i have in my 5x3x7' tall box..

I started three fem AK47 seeds back around April and managed to overwater/kill all but ONE.

It took weeks for the plant to recover and I should have started over, but now the plant has recovered and is a decent size (after 3 months lol). It's been a good learning experience... watering/nutes/LST/temps/humidity/blahblah..

In May I started a few of the feminized freebies I got from attitude... One particular Glueberry OG plant took off and quickly grew to the point where it's almost caught up to the single AK47.

I took 4 or 5 AK47 clones and moved all my other plants outside for the summer (total of 10 outside). frisian dew, holland's hope, and a couple other Attitude fem freebie strains.

I'm at 42 parallel... It's humid as hell in my basement right now. my 5'x3'x7' tall grow box is in a larger 8x6 footprint room.

LIGHTs ON: I'm maintaining 78-80 degrees/65% in the box with an eight T8 fixture.. (260W).
440CFM Fan kicks on whenever temps reach 80... happens frequently.
With lights on I can drop that humidity from 65% to 50% (or less) if I position the dehumidifier near the intake filter of my box so when the fan kicks in it pulls dryer air into the box. The issue is temps push to 83 degrees, in itself not the end of the world..

LIGHTs OFF: something like 72 degress/78% humidity. I can push the humidity down into the 50s, BUT the temps aren't really dropping.

I've read that there should be a differential in temps between day/night, something like 5-10 degrees.

I've got 400W (vs 260W of T of LEDs for the flower phase, which is going to make controlling temps and humidity even more of a challenge.

SO... the big question... I've been babying these plants for a few months now and I really wanted to have a go at flowering them indoors. But does it make sense to try and deal with the temp/humidity issue when I can just toss them outside? These are both 8 week flowering strains, but am worried about mold/early freeze/insects.
Another plus to tossing them outside is that I can get another bunch of plants going in the box which will be ready to flower when the high humidity is pretty much over in the fall.

My other option is to partially air-seal/completely light-seal the 8x6 room and just leave the grow box door off.
This might let me control temps/humidity much more easily.

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What kinda leds? I was really tired last night when i replied. if you have to cover a 5x5, 1000 watts of hids would be a minimum. A little less of led or a lot more with cfl so you would need to get more light in there. Might be worth putting them outside or you could fit as many as you can under those lights and put the rest outside. Decide what you like best

cannn said:

1)Id say hps is pretty damn comparable if not better in terms of results lol.
2)Put an hps close enough and youll harm a plant with light intensity stronger than the sun at this distance so id say there are definitely lights you can buy that are close enough.
3)And ive grown some good bud under cfls.

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1) I sure hope you are joking
2) huh? ever think it was the heat doing the harm?
3) I've grown good looking bud under cfl too.
I could tell it was not as good of weed as my outdoor or hps/mh grows of the same.
my outdoor plants get much bigger in the same time compared to my indoor plants under lights, go figure?

chemphlegm said:

1) I sure hope you are joking
2) huh? ever think it was the heat doing the harm?
3) I've grown good looking bud under cfl too.
I could tell it was not as good of weed as my outdoor or hps/mh grows of the same.
my outdoor plants get much bigger in the same time compared to my indoor plants under lights, go figure?

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1. Not a joke. In proper indoor conditions under hps and some added uv you can produce the best bud possible ime
2. If the top of your plants go white in the tops its from light intensity and with a proper air cooled hood you can get that close without heat trouble. It definitely happens
3. I said ive grown good bud under cfl. I kept it at good because i know its not so great like hps or the sun.

Not trying to start a fight here, i suppose i could be wrong, ive only been growing a few years and i like a lot of your posts and agree with you on a lot, but im still sticking with what i said above

cannn said:

1. Not a joke. In proper indoor conditions under hps and some added uv you can produce the best bud possible ime
2. If the top of your plants go white in the tops its from light intensity and with a proper air cooled hood you can get that close without heat trouble. It definitely happens
3. I said ive grown good bud under cfl. I kept it at good because i know its not so great like hps or the sun.

Not trying to start a fight here, i suppose i could be wrong, ive only been growing a few years and i like a lot of your posts and agree with you on a lot, but im still sticking with what i said above

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cool
yes I've seen light bleaching, but that doesnt make comparison to the sun light strength right?
do you have any comparisons of sun light compared to hps/mh , should be easy to find, like lumens, etc. besides our subjective opinions(my indoor is better than my outdoor)
I dont have any right now, but maybe I'll take a google trip, done this before recently I think too at riu..
if you got em, post em, if not find them?

for thought I've vegged same strains indoors and outdoor in the same container/mix. The differences were obvious in the first month. I had trees outdoors and 12-15 inchers indoors.

a senile fungus said:

Veg in the 5x3 and flower in the remaining 5x5ish area?

Also, get more lights.

And with enough ventilation and air movement (two seperate things) those temp and RH readings should be fine. Keep the exhaust fans on at night, RH goes up at night

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I've got 8 3590s at 50w each... and 8 citizen. Haven't wired them up yet.. the t8 was just for veg but I gotta get off my ass and set up the leds...
Box is actually closer to 30"x52"x7'. Room is an odd shape, due to piping that prevents me from using all of the headroom.

chemphlegm said:

cool
yes I've seen light bleaching, but that doesnt make comparison to the sun light strength right?
do you have any comparisons of sun light compared to hps/mh , should be easy to find, like lumens, etc. besides our subjective opinions(my indoor is better than my outdoor)
I dont have any right now, but maybe I'll take a google trip, done this before recently I think too at riu..
if you got em, post em, if not find them?

for thought I've vegged same strains indoors and outdoor in the same container/mix. The differences were obvious in the first month. I had trees outdoors and 12-15 inchers indoors.

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Im looking. Hard to find any info or comparisons.

Ill admit i havent done much outdoor mainly cause in my situation stealth is the main concern. When i did i could never get full sun cause the sherriff around here likes to ride around my area in their fucking helicopter every other day and now and again passes over

cannn said:

What kinda leds? I was really tired last night when i replied. if you have to cover a 5x5, 1000 watts of hids would be a minimum. A little less of led or a lot more with cfl so you would need to get more light in there. Might be worth putting them outside or you could fit as many as you can under those lights and put the rest outside. Decide what you like best

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I'vegot 8 3590s at 50w each... and 8 citizen....just have 2 drivers atm. Keep in mind I only have two plants right now in a 30"x52" space.

Hairiest_Stamen said:

I'vegot 8 3590s at 50w each... and 8 citizen....just have 2 drivers atm. Keep in mind I only have two plants right now in a 30"x52" space.

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With those it seems 30 watts can do a square foot. So those will cover a bit over a square meter
So youll be fine with those in that space

What's stopping you from putting outside?

CriticalCheeze said:

What's stopping you from putting outside?

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Nothing stopping me other than wanting to try these 2 plants indoors under leds... I've got 10 plants outside at the moment. 4 or 5 clones of the ak47 xtrm plant and 5 or 6 other strains. One is 2ft high, 2 others 15 to 18", 2 are 12".. rest are clones and haven't taken off quite yet.. still 10 or less inches tall.

Hairiest_Stamen said:

Nothing stopping me other than wanting to try these 2 plants indoors under leds... I've got 10 plants outside at the moment. 4 or 5 clones of the ak47 xtrm plant and 5 or 6 other strains. One is 2ft high, 2 others 15 to 18", 2 are 12".. rest are clones and haven't taken off quite yet.. still 10 or less inches tall.

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Always fun to try growing another way, plus you get to see for yourself the difference. I do great in soil but am experimenting with hydro rn for the hell of it. Its just such a cool concept imo

cannn said:

Always fun to try growing another way, plus you get to see for yourself the difference. I do great in soil but am experimenting with hydro rn for the hell of it. Its just such a cool concept imo

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I'm leaning towards leaving the box open and sealing off the room best I can. Will build a simple frame and cover the stone wall and piping with a sheet of plastic.

No clue how much moisture is migrating in from the old stone foundation. This part of the house is circa early 1700s.

This will give me roughly 3x to 4x the volume versus the box which I guess will help with spreading out heat from lights and dehumidifier.