K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)

K1Ng5p4d3

K1Ng5p4d3

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no doubt, but my question is this - cuz i dont know shit about mh/hps at all - so with a digital ballast, you can use both mh and hps bulbs?? like, with this system that you showed me there, all i gotta do is buy a mh bulb from my growshop and i can use it no problem? no need to get a conversion bulb?


ALSO - i was just lookin at my growshops online store. They have SUNMASTER hps bulbs that are sold in both blue and red spectrums for veg and flowering. now, if i were to just go up there n pick one of each up, would getting a blue spectrum hps do the same thing as a mh for veg??
 
DKskater75

DKskater75

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are you sure the blue ones arent mh bulbs? never heard of a blue spectrum hps... but yeah you can get a ballast that will run both types of bulbs, and a hood that holds one of each...
 
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K1Ng5p4d3 said:
no doubt, but my question is this - cuz i dont know shit about mh/hps at all - so with a digital ballast, you can use both mh and hps bulbs?? like, with this system that you showed me there, all i gotta do is buy a mh bulb from my growshop and i can use it no problem? no need to get a conversion bulb?


ALSO - i was just lookin at my growshops online store. They have SUNMASTER hps bulbs that are sold in both blue and red spectrums for veg and flowering. now, if i were to just go up there n pick one of each up, would getting a blue spectrum hps do the same thing as a mh for veg??
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K first


Red = flower = standard HPS
Blue = veg = standard MH
Red&blue = Agro or Horticulture or enhanced or whatever name they put on a dual spectrum light = BEST choice for flower

For the digital. My Digital Greenhouse 1000W Ballast has a EYE Horticulture Metal Halide in it right now and its running fine. So I say yes it dose work.

Also note that when I got the Digital ballast I ran my EYE Hort HPS bulb to finish my last crop.
 
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K1Ng5p4d3

K1Ng5p4d3

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thanks man. I wish i could post an update now, but unfortunately my dro shop was closed, and i need to wait til monday or somethin til i can get down there to get what i need to change shit around a lil bit. That, and my mid sized plant which ive now named "Corky" after Corky from life goes on, cuz the fuckin thing is growin all retarded n slow n wierd n shit, still hasn't shown sex yet. But my big girl has, and its formin liiiiiiiil buds at each top, and its lookin mad healthy, growin more every single day. But as soon as i get some bags, FF soil n nutes, ill throw up some pics n just be happier as a whole, lol.

stay tuned...
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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There are both red and blue spectrum eye hortilux hps bulbs. I currently run a 1000w red. I am planning on either getting a 600w MH or veg, or an eye hortilux 1000w blue. My ballast isn't changable, so if I get MH I need a new ballast, thats y I might go HPS. I don't believe that all digital ballasts are changable mh/hps. From what I've seen, some are, but I believe there are also changable magnetic ballasts.

Now KING man the grow looks pretty good, I've only got a few under my belt, but until I got my HPS for the bloom of my last grow, I was tottally low budget. Your lookin good, the one thing I would say is, you gotta stop movin the plants. It seems like maybe your done now, but it has had to have, been stressing the heck outta them! Good luck lookin forward to the update!!
 
K1Ng5p4d3

K1Ng5p4d3

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LOL, i know man, ive changed shit around so many times i cant remember now. But i still got one more move to do before its finished, but i dont think ill be stressin them out too much with this one, i actually think that theyll be happier with better soil.

But another lighting question - DUAL ARC BULBS - are they better than just a hps or mh by themselves?? what woud be the benefit of having one rather than the others individually? i mean, does having both spectrums help during veg, cuz i just thought that during the veg phase they only used the blue spectrum. So would i be right by saying a Dual Arc bulb would be beneficial because you dont have to change out your bulb when you switch to flowering, because the plant will only use the red spectrum side of the bulb???

N also, what are NRG, LM, or VRD bulbs?? i know that they are similar to HPS or MH, but is there a difference?? im lookin at these different bulbs on my grow shops website - https://ssl.cgicafe.com/clients/hmoonhydro.com/
N im just tryin to do my research before i pick out the setup im makin the wife buy me for xmas. I cant decide if i wanna buy local, or have her get me a complete lighting setup with a shitload of extras from HTG Supply. The website for the kit that i might have her get is - CLOSET CULTIVATOR 400 watt GROW KIT 400w HPS+MH w LIGHT - eBay (item 180136930930 end time Sep-27-08 12:18:42 PDT)
 
DKskater75

DKskater75

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nah its better to have both blue and red for the entire life of the plants. you dont see the sun goin and changing spectrums on you half way through your grow...
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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Hey guys...
Wassup????

Excellent work K1NG!!!!:clap:
Way to go...:weed:

well, I just bit the bullet and ordered the HTG 600 Watt Hps Digital ballast kit with the 8" cool tube... it will be coupled to a 265 cfm cage fan...



I know it is a bit overkill for my current grow, but it will be around for years, so I got something I can "grow" into... hehehe...



And I would deff. check out HTG website before ordering on ebay, there is a difference.... and I would even call them on the phone after viewing their website, I found that to be different yet...

I saved over 100 bucks in shipping (to AK) by calling them...

Hope this helps...

Gypsy...:leaf:
 

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K1Ng5p4d3 said:
But another lighting question - DUAL ARC BULBS - are they better than just a hps or mh by themselves?? what woud be the benefit of having one rather than the others individually? i mean, does having both spectrums help during veg, cuz i just thought that during the veg phase they only used the blue spectrum. So would i be right by saying a Dual Arc bulb would be beneficial because you dont have to change out your bulb when you switch to flowering, because the plant will only use the red spectrum side of the bulb???

N also, what are NRG, LM, or VRD bulbs?? i know that they are similar to HPS or MH, but is there a difference?? im lookin at these different bulbs on my grow shops website - https://ssl.cgicafe.com/clients/hmoonhydro.com/
N im just tryin to do my research before i pick out the setup im makin the wife buy me for xmas. I cant decide if i wanna buy local, or have her get me a complete lighting setup with a shitload of extras from HTG Supply. The website for the kit that i might have her get is - CLOSET CULTIVATOR 400 watt GROW KIT 400w HPS+MH w LIGHT - eBay (item 180136930930 end time Sep-27-08 12:18:42 PDT)
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The dual arc bulbs are cool, they are basicly the same thing as an agricultural/horticultural/enhanced bulb. You are correct in the fact that you can use a multi spectrum light from clone to flower and many do so to save money on having two bulbs and two, or a switchable, ballast.

The real reason they make dual spectrum is that plants do still use "blue" during flower, and without they have a tendancy to strech in search of it. However a plant dosnt use "red" when they are in the growth phase, so the 60% of the multi spectrum bulb that is making "red " dosnt get used by the plant.

As for the system I would get the light system online and the other stuff locally. If you do get the kit you linked I would consider giving HTG a call and trying to get the ducted "Euro" hood instead of the generic non vented non glassed.


DKskater75 said:
nah its better to have both blue and red for the entire life of the plants. you dont see the sun goin and changing spectrums on you half way through your grow...
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WRONG.
As the earth tilts and the sun changes its location in the sky light passes through the atmosphere at different angles. The spectrum of light changes with this change in angle and without going back to High School biology references I'll stop there.

P.S. Check out HTGs non ebay site. If you live in middle or east US you may save a buck or two on shipping.
 
K1Ng5p4d3

K1Ng5p4d3

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Ok, so then ill get a reflector n light that comes with a digital ballast, so i can use both MH and HPS? or do i HAVE to buy a conversion MH bulb if im only gonna use one ballast....im just tryin to get this all clear.


As for that package - would you say thats expensive for everything it comes with? i mean, ive seen MH/HPS light kits ALONE that are way more expensive than 336 bucks. That package comes with a 400w setup MH and HPS bulbs. I WANT 600w though, cuz im gonna be growin probably 8-10 plants on my next setup which is gonna be in a growtent with a DwC setup. is 400w enough for a 8 plant DwC?
 
GypsyBush

GypsyBush

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Hey K1NG!!!

Whichever way you go, I would recommend an air cooled hood...

I prefer cool tubes for small spaces... but any venting is better than not...

HIDs produce a lot of heat... get rid of it...

My 2 cents...

Gypsy...:leaf:
 
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-=4:20=-Guy

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DKskater75 said:
great thanks. no need to be an asshole about it though.
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LOL

I am just here to help and if I see something I KNOW is WRONG I will point it out.

I don't see how that makes me an asshole, is it because I didn't put the links and referred to the information as High school Material. Well maybe you should have payed more attention.


Wikipedia said:
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The sun

As the sun crosses the sky, it may appear to be red, orange, yellow or white depending on its position. The changing color of the sun over the course of the day is mainly a result of refraction and, to a lesser extent, scattering of light, and is unrelated to black body radiation. The blue color of the sky is not due to black-body radiation, but rather to Rayleigh scattering of the sunlight from the atmosphere, which tends to scatter blue light more than red. This phenomenon has nothing to do with the properties of a black body.
Daylight has a spectrum similar to that of a black body. In professions involving color reproduction, such as photography and publishing, daylight is often approximated using standard illuminant D50 or D65, as recommended by the CIE.

Hues of the Planckian locus, in the mired scale.



For colors based on the black body, blue is the "hotter" color, while red is actually the "cooler" color. This is the opposite of the cultural associations that colors have taken on, with "red" as "hot", and "blue" as "cold". The traditional associations come from a variety of sources, such as water and ice appearing blue, while heated metal and fire are of a reddish hue. However, the redness of these heat sources comes precisely from the fact that red is the coolest of the visible colors, the first color emitted as heat increases.
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K1Ng5p4d3 said:
Ok, so then ill get a reflector n light that comes with a digital ballast, so i can use both MH and HPS? or do i HAVE to buy a conversion MH bulb if im only gonna use one ballast....im just tryin to get this all clear.


As for that package - would you say thats expensive for everything it comes with? i mean, ive seen MH/HPS light kits ALONE that are way more expensive than 336 bucks. That package comes with a 400w setup MH and HPS bulbs. I WANT 600w though, cuz im gonna be growin probably 8-10 plants on my next setup which is gonna be in a growtent with a DwC setup. is 400w enough for a 8 plant DwC?
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Im actually looking up the goods to see what I can determine. So far I have got the majors in cart, but that guy calling ma an asshole kinda distracted me.
 
DKskater75

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well maybe i was never taught that and just assumed that the color spectrum of the sun didnt jump directly from blue to red over night. is that not how it typically works when growing indoors?
 
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DKskater75 said:
well maybe i was never taught that and just assumed that the color spectrum of the sun didnt jump directly from blue to red over night. is that not how it typically works when growing indoors?
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I understand that and thats why I originally kept it short but kinda sour =(. +rep to you for responding.

As for growing indoors here is the way I look at it. We are trying to not just mimic mother nature but to enhance the areas of nature that enhance production.
In nature there IS a specific transition from blue to red and it occurs in my latitude, 35 Degrees North, in September and is symbolized by the "Harvest Moon" (when the moon appears red). Imagine that prism I posted casting different spectrums across all of the diffrent Latitudes, as the sun changes its angle in the sky that band moves up or down the latitudes, causing the change in spectrum as it passes your latitude.

P.S. For an example of how this affects production here are four pics from fdd2blks outdoor garden. They are evenly spaced over the last two months. Note the difference that has occurred in the last three pics VS the first one.


^Today


^Two weeks ago


^One month ago


^Month and a half ago
 
DKskater75

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yeah i understand all that now thanks haha. i just meant that it seems better to use both types of light the entire time rather than jumping straight from blue to red. is the red spectrum completely usless in veg though?
 
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-=4:20=-Guy

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DKskater75 said:
yeah i understand all that now thanks haha. i just meant that it seems better to use both types of light the entire time rather than jumping straight from blue to red. is the red spectrum completely usless in veg though?
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In veg they do use a very small amount and the MH alone has enough. As for flowering the comunity approved ratio is 60%"red 30%"blue, and that is why the good bulbs provide this ratio. In large opps growers will use two regular HPS and one regular MH, all of the same wattage.
 
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