Justifying Corporate Salaries in America

Fogdog said:
It's messed up but I can't say what the US would do if Mexican government did nothing to stop radical groups from firing primitve rocket-bombs into US cities along our border. I don't think we would turn the other cheek, I just can't say how violent we would be but we'd respond overwhelmingly. Israel has a lot to answer for but in this one case and only recently, Israel is acting with restraint compared to what most other countries would do in similar circumstances.
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well said
 
SneekyNinja said:
So what is the numerical range of people that you accept were murdered by the Nazis?
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you have to be within a certian range or otherwise you are a holocaust denier? whats the logic here? millions died...one was to many. i accept the truth, not a number ish ball park figure of sorts...and neither should u
 
BrewerT said:
you have to be within a certian range or otherwise you are a holocaust denier? whats the logic here? millions died...a million to many. i accept the truth, not a number ish ball park figure of sorts...and neither should u
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Well it's generally accepted that somewhere between 5 and 6 million Jews were murdered.

And yes, anything significantly lower than this is defined as holocaust denial.
 
BrewerT said:
you are really mislead. did u count? does any accredited group conclude an official number? its an approximate 6 million. not exact 6 to the t. feel free to provide evidence of anything other

while you are doing research, can you find out what numbers my grandparents were in the 6 million..ish

Im a direct descendant of holocaust victims, and you ration I am a denier. WTF FUCK YOU!

THAT IS GARBAGE
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You say "millions". What are you arguing over anyway? You don't dispute the holocaust happened and the numbers were in the millions. Why not go with the best data, which says 6 million killed by Germans in the holocaust? Also, nobody says "exactly" 6 million. Approximately 6 million is what they say. Again, what exactly are you arguing about?

By denying validity of the estimate without better information than the official approximate count, you are saying what holocaust deniers say. It's not unreasonable to think if a person repeats the propaganda of holocaust denial then they are a holocaust denier. I can see how AC called you a holocaust denier. I'm open to saying that about you but you haven't crossed the line to where I would.

Edit: I can see how @UncleBuck would call you a holocaust denier too.
 
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BrewerT said:
could you also provide a source of this definition ? its okay to question, it doesnt make you a denier or unbeliever ...it means we care about the truth.,...not what is perpetuated in schools and textbooks...

there is NO officially accepted exact number. Its sad, there should and needs to be. They all need to be identified, and that is and has been impossible to date.

It does not mean i do not believe that millions of jews died in history to nazi's. what i dont believe is 6 million is the empirical answer
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yep, straight up holocaust denier.
 
SneekyNinja said:
Well it's generally accepted that somewhere between 5 and 6 million Jews were murdered.

And yes, anything significantly lower than this is defined as holocaust denial.
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That really does a disservice to those that are unaccounted for. Its also lacks any logic what-so-ever.

With that view, in theory, a individual who believes 3-4 million died is a denier of the holocaust completely.

That is a shame, and dishonor to those who will never be identified as victims of the Nazi's.
 
Fogdog said:
You say "millions". What are you arguing over anyway? You don't dispute the holocaust happened and the numbers were in the millions. Why not go with the best data, which says 6 million killed by Germans in the holocaust? Also, nobody says "exactly" 6 million. Approximately 6 million is what they say. Again, what exactly are you arguing about?

By denying validity of the estimate without better information than the official approximate count, you are saying what holocaust deniers say. It's not unreasonable to think if a person repeats the propaganda of holocaust denial then they are a holocaust denier. I can see how AC called you a holocaust denier. I'm open to saying that about you but you haven't crossed the line to where I would.

Edit: I can see how @UncleBuck would call you a holocaust denier too.
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I am arguing that not accepting an estimate does not make one a denier.

They are entitled to an opinion. Its not factual. Its an opinion. They can call me a denier all that they wish.

It does not negate that there is a humanitarian warrant for the empirical truth, and a estimate is just that, speculation. Not the truth.

All these ball park believers stand behind a "estimate" and yet it you dont like the "estimate" and prefer the actual number, you are somehow labeled a denier. That really lacks formal logic.
 
BrewerT said:
That really does a disservice to those that are unaccounted for. Its also lacks any logic what-so-ever.

With that view, in theory, a individual who believes 3-4 million died is a denier of the holocaust completely.

That is a shame, and dishonor to those who will never be identified as victims of the Nazi's.
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how many jews do you think perished in the holocaust?
 
The holocaust took place just like 9/11.
the difference is 9/11 is recent and can be argued freely by people with what they believe is evidence supporting their claims.
I don't buy the official story regarding 9/11, does that make me a 9/11 denier? In the same regard I don't buy the official story about the holocaust.
 
MarWan said:
The holocaust took place just like 9/11.
the difference is 9/11 is recent and can be argued freely by people with what they believe is evidence supporting their claims.
I don't buy the official story regarding 9/11, does that make me a 9/11 denier? In the same regard I don't buy the official story about the holocaust.
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9-11 was not a racial genocide carried out by a fascist regime wielding a modern military with the aim of ethnically cleansing an entire continent.
 
BrewerT said:
I am arguing that not accepting an estimate does not make one a denier.

They are entitled to an opinion. Its not factual. Its an opinion. They can call me a denier all that they wish.

It does not negate that there is a humanitarian warrant for the empirical truth, and a estimate is just that, speculation. Not the truth.

All these ball park believers stand behind a "estimate" and yet it you dont like the "estimate" and prefer the actual number, you are somehow labeled a denier. That really lacks formal logic.
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The cynic would say if I didn't see it with my own eyes, I don't believe it. Is that what you are saying? No matter how careful the study was, you can't agree with it's findings? Do you have a good reason to to disbelieve the findings?

The skeptic would ask if this is true and investigate to find out. The cynic just disbelieves without cause. I think that's what you are doing.
 
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