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Roger A. Shrubber said:
in a democracy, each persons vote actually counts....whoever get's the most votes wins......that is NOT the case in this country...the electoral college is a body whose sole purpose is to make the popular vote meaningless. they may have other excuses for it's existence, but that's all they are, as far as i'm concerned.
local and state politics are a little more democratic, it's true, but the big one? not so much
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Nope. Everybody's vote gets counted and every vote counts.
 
yeah, they get counted...but if they actually counted, we wouldn't have president trump..who lost the popular election, but was still handed the win, by the electoral college......
she won by almost three million votes.....IF they actually counted.....
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
yeah, they get counted...but if they actually counted, we wouldn't have president trump..who lost the popular election, but was still handed the win, by the electoral college......
she won by almost three million votes.....IF they actually counted.....
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Yup, the system has it's issues. Plenty of them. They can turn a close election. The EC is a mechanism that favors small states and was used to game the system last election.

We will replace Trump the next time we vote for a president.

Because we are a democracy.
 
Fogdog said:
Word smith it how you like.

We elect our officials and can replace them if we don't like them.

Call it what you want. To me that's a democracy.

Speaking of making up words, tty, what do you mean when you use the word: "Progressive"?
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What you mean 'we'? Do you have half a billion dollars to throw at Federal level races?
 
Fogdog said:
Nope. Everybody's vote gets counted and every vote counts.
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Greg Palast is a journalist who's been on the voter suppression beat in America for many years now.

He's been awful busy.

Not everyone vote actually counts in America and you are blatantly spewing propaganda out of your ass when you assert otherwise.
 
londonfog said:
You make ZERO points. You think you are winning when in fact you are losing.
We still have the Civil Rights Act live and active, in which you are against. We still have laws to stop adult from having sex with minors. Something you also disagree with. You still pay taxes, in which you hate. How are you winning ?
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When you are done conflating the argument, pick up your silver medal over at the losers table.

The disagreement was whether or not there was an element of force in the things you mentioned.

You allude to the indoctrinated mindset rationalization that there isn't an element of force in those things.

I say that there is an element of force in those things. I offered examples you couldn't refute.

But...You haven't refuted my examples, instead you talk about your mother and wearing her dresses.

Still winning.

th
 
Fogdog said:
Word smith it how you like.

We elect our officials and can replace them if we don't like them.

Call it what you want. To me that's a democracy.

Speaking of making up words, tty, what do you mean when you use the word: "Progressive"?
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Rob Roy said:
When you are done conflating the argument, pick up your silver medal over at the losers table.

The disagreement was whether or not there was an element of force in the things you mentioned.

You allude to the indoctrinated mindset rationalization that there isn't an element of force in those things.

I say that there is an element of force in those things. I offered examples you couldn't refute.

But...You haven't refuted my examples, instead you talk about your mother and wearing her dresses.

Still winning.

th
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Excuse you but there would still be an element of force in your utopia. How would you remove a person who wanted to be serve in a restaurant that did not want to serve due to color of skin. How do you peacefully be a racist ?
 
Fogdog said:
Yup, the system has it's issues. Plenty of them. They can turn a close election. The EC is a mechanism that favors small states and was used to game the system last election.

We will replace Trump the next time we vote for a president.

Because we are a democracy.
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i hope you're right...it will pretty much destroy what little faith i have left in this country if rump wins again. we would deserve to be beaten by the russians, and ground under their heels, if we're that stupid.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
i hope you're right...it will pretty much destroy what little faith i have left in this country if rump wins again. we would deserve to be beaten by the russians, and ground under their heels, if we're that stupid.
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Yes, and I said that same thing when Nixon was reelected ...

and Reagan was reelected ...

and Bush was reelected.


Sheeple never see the pattern. :roll:


:mrgreen:
 
londonfog said:
Excuse you but there would still be an element of force in your utopia. How would you remove a person who wanted to be serve in a restaurant that did not want to serve due to color of skin. How do you peacefully be a racist ?
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Learning the difference between offensive force and defensive force might help address your concern.

How do you peacefully insist a person serve you against their will ?
 
Rob Roy said:
Learning the difference between offensive force and defensive force might help address your concern.

How do you peacefully insist a person serve you against their will ?
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Offensive force - black people shopping

Defensive force - kicking black people out of stores for shopping
 
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