Julie Assange Arrested

Fogdog

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zeddd said:
Assange should clearly face charges and due process in Sweden, however I agree for once with Corbyn in that we shouldn’t extradite JA to US, imo, because you have a rogue regime with a criminal president/Russian agent who is compromised, and a partisan supreme court due to the appointment of Kavanaugh.
There is an overwhelming feeling of antipathy towards the US across the political spectrum in the UK, Trump hatred is a contagion which is spreading and morphing into America hatred, if he gets re-elected you will lose all credibility.
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He worked with Russia to influence our elections. That's no small mater.

We can prove he helped crack a password and there is no good reason why the full weight of the US shouldn't be used prosecute him for that crime. Meanwhile this tells him and others know not to fuck with us. All within the rule of law.

Russia would have thrown him out of a window or poisoned him. So, he picked the right adversary.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
He worked with Russia to influence our elections. That's no small mater.

We can prove he helped crack a password and there is no good reason why the full weight of the US shouldn't be used to let him and others know not to fuck with us.
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careful...you're starting to sound like me....
 
zeddd

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Fogdog said:
He participated in an attack on the US. I think we should defend ourselves while following the law.
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The US was rogue, Chelsea Manning posted a vid of a 30 mm canon massacre, killing and dismembering non combatants, technically a crime on her part I agree but morally admirable, like growing plants that fascist/ imperialist states hate.
The world is sick of American aggression, history will judge this episode harshly. I dont like JA either, but try him for alledged sex crimes in a fair country like Sweden rather than throw him into ADX supermax, a real American classic, automated hell on Earth, symbol of a morally corrupt neofascist state.
 
Fogdog

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zeddd said:
The US was rogue, Chelsea Manning posted a vid of a 30 mm canon massacre, killing and dismembering non combatants, technically a crime on her part I agree but morally admirable, like growing plants that fascist/ imperialist states hate.
The world is sick of American aggression, history will judge this episode harshly. I dont like JA either, but try him for alledged sex crimes in a fair country like Sweden rather than throw him into ADX supermax, a real American classic, automated hell on Earth, symbol of a morally corrupt neofascist state.
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Sweden is looking into the matter. I'm fine if he faces charges there first.

He conspired with Russia to affect our election. His release of diplomatic messages put countless people at risk by his refusal to redact names of people that had been in contact with the US. The crime he's being charged with is relatively minor compared to what he'd done but we both know the full weight of the US is coming down on him for his attacks on the US.

If you want to say the US has a beyond evil incarceration system, I agree with you. I don't agree that is a good reason against the US sending a message to Assange and others that US will defend itself from international agents who do us harm.
 
doublejj

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Fogdog said:
He worked with Russia to influence our elections. That's no small mater.

We can prove he helped crack a password and there is no good reason why the full weight of the US shouldn't be used prosecute him for that crime. Meanwhile this tells him and others know not to fuck with us. All within the rule of law.

Russia would have thrown him out of a window or poisoned him. So, he picked the right adversary.
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Hillary should have droned him when we had the chance.....
 
doublejj

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Fogdog said:
Sweden is looking into the matter. I'm fine if he faces charges there first.

He conspired with Russia to affect our election. His release of diplomatic messages put countless people at risk by his refusal to redact names of people that had been in contact with the US. The crime he's being charged with is relatively minor compared to what he'd done but we both know the full weight of the US is coming down on him for his attacks on the US.

If you want to say the US has a beyond evil incarceration system, I agree with you. I don't agree that is a good reason against the US sending a message to Assange and others that US will defend itself from international agents who do us harm.
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He will never be prosecuted in the US.....not with thump in office. He's a hero to thump
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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doublejj said:
He will never be prosecuted in the US.....not with thump in office. He's a hero to thump
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trump has disavowed wikileaks.."I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It's not my thing and I know there is something having to do with Julian Assange. I've been seeing what's happened with Assange"....big change from "i love wikileaks" and "we're learning so much from wikileaks".....
 
Fogdog

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zeddd said:
Then stop extrajudicial killings like Chelsea Manning exposed
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I like you zeddd, so I promise not let our disagreement change that.

On this subject you veer all over the map. The issue is not should the US perform drone strikes. The issue is not US prison system although I can see your point about that. The issue is should Assange face criminal charges in the US for helping Manning crack a password.

But there is more to the story. We both know the US would not be going after Assange to the extent that they are had he not attacked the US as an agent for Russia to influence our election. Also, during the Wikilieaks release of Manning's information, Wikileaks had been asked by US officials to redact names of people living in various countries including Iran, Iraq and Syria who would be harmed by being outed. Assange refused and the State Department scrambled to get those people out of harm's way. The US has every right to defend itself from these attacks.

Assange is a reckless agent who has knowingly acted as a conduit of Russian intelligence to do harm to the US and in another occasion carelessly put peoples lives at risk. Locking him up in a lawful action and depriving him of the means of continuing his reckless assault on this nation, people in other nations who are friendly to the US and US elections only makes sense.

It makes so much sense that I'm astounded Trump hasn't fucked it up yet.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Fogdog said:
I like you zeddd, so I promise not let our disagreement change that.

On this subject you veer all over the map. The issue is not should the US perform drone strikes. The issue is not US prison system although I can see your point about that. The issue is should Assange face criminal charges in the US for helping Manning crack a password.

But there is more to the story. We both know the US would not be going after Assange to the extent that they are had he not attacked the US as an agent for Russia to influence our election. Also, during the Wikilieaks release of Manning's information, Wikileaks had been asked by US officials to redact names of people living in various countries including Iran, Iraq and Syria who would be harmed by being outed. Assange refused and the State Department scrambled to get those people out of harm's way. The US has every right to defend itself from these attacks.

Assange is a reckless agent who has knowingly acted as a conduit of Russian intelligence to do harm to the US and in another occasion carelessly put peoples lives at risk. Locking him up in a lawful action and depriving him of the means of continuing his reckless assault on this nation, people in other nations who are friendly to the US and US elections only makes sense.

It makes so much sense that I'm astounded Trump hasn't fucked it up yet.
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I can see your point as an American citizen wanting to protect fellow Americans from harm, however which is the greater evil, leaking heinous crimes or perpetrating them through illegal military attacks on civilians?
 
Fogdog

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zeddd said:
I can see your point as an American citizen wanting to protect fellow Americans from harm, however which is the greater evil, leaking heinous crimes or perpetrating them through illegal military attacks on civilians?
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That's a logical fallacy, zeddd.

Just because the US is conducting what I agree with you are illegal military attacks on civilians doesn't mean its wrong for the country to legally defend itself from hackers.
 
Fogdog

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The Jimmy Dore Show is a propaganda media outlet that supports the right wing agenda. Anything that comes from The Jimmy Dore Show is suspect.
 
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