abandonconflict
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See post 35.
Thank you for confirming for me that you hate habeas corpus and civil rights in addition to hating my liberty to know what is going on in the world.
Julian Assange Lie
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Thank you for confirming for me that you hate habeas corpus and civil rights in addition to hating my liberty to know what is going on in the world.
abandonconflict
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Is that why you hate him?
abandonconflict
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He had already been questioned and released by the Swedes over it. Hillary pushed for them to reopen the case.
The infraction he committed was that supposedly the women did not know he was uncovered, which is a crime there; ergo, sexcrime. The women are not pressing charges.
abandonconflict
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I have a special kind of hatred reserved for those who are willing to justify letting the gov't abridge civil rights and liberty in the name of nationalism.
"How many people got killed because of these two?"
You're referring to soldiers, who are willing to die horrid fates for liberty but you're using this phrase to justify abridging sacred liberty. You have severe cognitive dissonance.
"How many people got killed because of these two?"
You're referring to soldiers, who are willing to die horrid fates for liberty but you're using this phrase to justify abridging sacred liberty. You have severe cognitive dissonance.
Rak on Tur'
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There is hope for your generation. I am glad to see intellectual honesty isn't dead, just yet.
abandonconflict
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When you do, you'll be told how evil he is. He angered the powers that be by making the world privy to the secret imperialism the US is engaging in.
abandonconflict
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These two little homos have the balls to defy an empire.
Antidisestablishmentarian
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They broke some serious laws doing it, and by doing so put the lives of many at risk.
You seem to be ok with there lives being UNNECESSARILY put at risk, but dont threaten Assange and that fuckstick private. They deserve justice. You seem to only care about the lives o people you agree with. The rest can die, you don't care...
I get the want and the need for transparency, but that's not how you do it.
I think what's extra funny, is those holding these two up as heroes also didn't pay attention to these same morons leaking that we actually did find WMD's in Iraq and spout "there were no WMD's in Iraq!"
You seem to be ok with there lives being UNNECESSARILY put at risk, but dont threaten Assange and that fuckstick private. They deserve justice. You seem to only care about the lives o people you agree with. The rest can die, you don't care...
I get the want and the need for transparency, but that's not how you do it.
I think what's extra funny, is those holding these two up as heroes also didn't pay attention to these same morons leaking that we actually did find WMD's in Iraq and spout "there were no WMD's in Iraq!"
Doer
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Well, on a more meaningful note than mob rule decisions about traitors.....if there was mob rule, this traitor Manning would have been strung up immediately and publicly.
But, what is making my day, is I just found out...OJ got not, 10 years, he got 33 years. How could I have missed that? Shear boredom, I guess.
Rak on Tur'
Active Member
The private isn't a hero in my eyes, but I do admit, I respect him. Not because he broke millitary law and not because he turned over classified information. For some reason I just do, watching our federal government over my lifetime crush the individual time and time again has made me somewhat jaded.
A out of control federal government is a friend to no one. I've watched them break laws for years and make a mockery of our legal system. As wrong as it may be, I find it refreshing when they get a slight taste of their own medicine.
Antidisestablishmentarian
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I can totally understand that. I admit he has a bit from me as well. It does take some brass ones to do what he did.
But I in no way condone or appreciate his actions.
Doer
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Well, doing something is admirable, but not just "do anything!" I don't admire someone that is so stupid as to think this is the way to "do something."
And there you go again with that us and them business. There is no they in the USA. It's all us, being rather hard on ourselves, on purpose for a reason. WE submit to the rule of law, not mob rule.
He did worse than nothing. He got people killed. He thought he was exposing a great ill. No. Just details of self-rule WE specifically told him not to tell. People were killed. Carefully placed assets, lost forever. We don't get days back, ever.
WE are in danger everyday, you young and old, Nero types. Put down the fiddle and help row the ship of State you own. Start with civics. Start with meaningful thought.
The Republic was never NOT in danger. WE were born of danger, into danger and remain there.
The President's oath says, all enemies, foreign and domestic.
No Crown to blame. No them. Constant danger for our Way of self rule.
And there you go again with that us and them business. There is no they in the USA. It's all us, being rather hard on ourselves, on purpose for a reason. WE submit to the rule of law, not mob rule.
He did worse than nothing. He got people killed. He thought he was exposing a great ill. No. Just details of self-rule WE specifically told him not to tell. People were killed. Carefully placed assets, lost forever. We don't get days back, ever.
WE are in danger everyday, you young and old, Nero types. Put down the fiddle and help row the ship of State you own. Start with civics. Start with meaningful thought.
The Republic was never NOT in danger. WE were born of danger, into danger and remain there.
The President's oath says, all enemies, foreign and domestic.
No Crown to blame. No them. Constant danger for our Way of self rule.
abandonconflict
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No and no.
Unless you can expound and include some verifiable facts. It is easy to claim they endangered the lives of US servicemen I could say that shit all day and it will make sense to you because you have been filled with shit by the private media for profit but it is still not good enough to justify the violation of due process. Julian Assange never violated any law that applied to him except for fucking two Swedish chicks consensually with out rubbers. Bradley Manning broke only military violations. He did this brazenly and has not apologized and now the world knows how the US state department operates in secrecy as an empire.
As a veteran infantryman myself, I do not see how soldiers who are deployed in combat zones can be in more danger just because the ill equipped, Arab speaking, barefoot and hungry, quazi-enemy quazi-combatants possibly have access to secret state department cables.
abandonconflict
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500 Improvised Explosive Devices
1000 kilos of uranium
organophosphates
17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent
1,000 radioactive materials - ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
500 munitions
294 biological weapons
3,300 tons of mustard gas
And plenty of facilities used to create biological and chemical weapons
So OIF justified?
It needed to be justified, we needed the oil.
ChesusRice
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Serously
Start your house on fire and sit in it while it burns.
Assange-r and Manning divluged stuff that should be kept secret. Nothing positive came out of it. Can I verify that people where endangered intelligence networks compromised? NO its above my pay grade as a civilian. And no one is going to confrim or deny anything. You were in the infantry? Then you understand the concept of "need to know"
echelon1k1
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More of a political embarrassment than anything else. Assange didn't break any laws, no one was put in danger. State is just dirty they've been forced to eat shit, the smear campaigns haven't worked, neither has the "honeypot" op. Don't bitch and moan about a foreigner publishing cables, when Washington can't even keep secrets. Honestly the hypocrisy is ridiculous. just part of the secret war on whistle blowers.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
Nothing is worth suspending habeas corpus. Nothing is worth abridging that basic human right.
Nothing.
We lose that, we cease to be anything resembling the republic we once were. Freedom is the soul of the nation.
For that matter, nothing should be kept secret. Especially government dealings.
abandonconflict
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Warlike regime puts world in danger, gets called on their BS by a little peon journalist, convinces democrat and republican shills that he put them in danger.
Sometimes I do get suicidal Chesus. It is very common for people who have seen the depths of darkness in the world to be suicidal. Luckily weed.
Sometimes I do get suicidal Chesus. It is very common for people who have seen the depths of darkness in the world to be suicidal. Luckily weed.
abandonconflict
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Nothing classified above the rating "secret" was revealed by Manning. It was carefully and methodically scoured for names that could lead to human endangerment but (admittedly) this was done by journalists, not diplomatic experts. The arguments that people were endangered are very specious. This should be deductive, the cables that were released are unclassified (by virtue of the fact that they were released) and therefore nothing new has to be revealed in order to investigate, cable by cable, for evidence that anyone who has been a casualty was a result of the leak.
They have Manning and he has been very courageous. He even wrote a detailed confession which withstands scrutiny for its consistency. I suggest you read it in order to familiarize yourself with the complete lack of a viable case against Assange. I would think it would not have taken 3 years for the military to begin trial on Manning since he has been so open. Seems to me that they are having trouble actually accusing Assange of anything.