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doc111

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The Tsar bomb was one of the cleanest (relative to its yield) nuclear bombs ever detonated
So it didn't scatter any fallout? No radioactive dust of any kind? What about all of the other above ground testing that occurred in the 40's and 50's? Come on man! This is alrmist and you know it! I guess we'll see here in a few months when nobody dies. lol!:-P
 

redivider

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What are you talking about? Nuclear fuel used in a hydrogen bomb, or nuclear fuel rods used in electrical power reactors? Look, it is scary shit, but this crap about everybody in the western third of the U.S. receiving irradiated fallout significant enough to cause death is not very likely at all. A nuclear explosion, like in an atomic bomb or a hydrogen bomb is completely different than the fission chain reaction that happens in a reactor, as is the actual fuel itself. It's virtually impossible for nulcear fuel rods to go critical in a meltdown. You cannot have a nuclear explosion as a result of this, therefore you won't have tons of debris sucked up and scattered like you would in a thermonuclear explosion. There will be and has been a lot of radiation localized. Some irradiated particulate and dust (this is essentially fallout) will get blown around and will make it to North America, but it will be dilluted by then and shouldn't be significant to cause health issues. Again, nobody really knows what the longterm consequences could be and that is the really scary part IMO.:o
i'm not worried about a nuclear fallout killing everybody.

i'm worried about the effect it'll have on this planet

nuclear material is not NATURAL. it's MAN-MADE ENRICHED NUCLEAR MATERIAL. it exists in nature very sparsely, and not irradiated to the unnatural levels nuclear fuel is.

it takes thousands of years for this stuff to degrade, that's why they test nuclear bombs in the middle of nowhere. this stuff reaches the ocean, forests, reefs, even in small amounts, it'll remain in the ecosystem for thousands of years, IT DOESN'T BREAK DOWN. let me say it again IT DOESN'T BREAK DOWN.

it'll keep making animals and micro-organisms sick for unforseeable amounts of time...

it's not oil, it's not even as bad as plastic, styrofoam would blush in the face of nuclear fallout.....
 

doc111

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you believe the FEMA guy?? the same people that did a 'hell of a job' during katrina??

the US nuclear regulatory agency is not unlike the Mineral Management Services.... in the back pocket of the industry they're supposed to 'regulate'....phhssshhh..

i'm not buying it. PERIOD. i don't believe that there is nothing wrong, because the people who say nothing is wrong are the ones looking out for the well being of the industry that their supposed to regulate...

each day the area they 'deem to be at-risk' increases in size by a few square miles.... but there's nothing wrong.... i'm calling the bullshit right here and now...

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Who is saying nothing is wrong??????????:cuss:

What SOME people are saying is it's not as serious as the "hoax map" would have us all believe.:wall:
 

doc111

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i'm not worried about a nuclear fallout killing everybody.

i'm worried about the effect it'll have on this planet

nuclear material is not NATURAL. it's MAN-MADE ENRICHED NUCLEAR MATERIAL. it exists in nature very sparsely, and not irradiated to the unnatural levels nuclear fuel is.

it takes thousands of years for this stuff to degrade, that's why they test nuclear bombs in the middle of nowhere. this stuff reaches the ocean, forests, reefs, even in small amounts, it'll remain in the ecosystem for thousands of years, IT DOESN'T BREAK DOWN. let me say it again IT DOESN'T BREAK DOWN.

it'll keep making animals and micro-organisms sick for unforseeable amounts of time...

it's not oil, it's not even as bad as plastic, styrofoam would blush in the face of nuclear fallout.....
I know all too well about radioactive decay and understand the long half life that some radioactive isotopes have. Yes, this is going to have an effect on the planet. Is it going to kill us all? No. That's all anybody is saying. Nobody is disputing your premise that there is something wrong here. Again, what do we do about it? It's a done deal man! It's too late to unring that bell my friend! I'd like to hear your plan for dealing with this stuff.:mrgreen:
 

Serapis

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The radiation levels have already dropped. As for people in the US, are you serious? there is no dangerous cloud pressing down upon us.... Please quit trying to ramp this disaster up more than it is already...
 

redivider

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Soon after the latest events, France's nuclear safety authority ASN said the disaster ranks as a level 6 on the international scale of 1 to 7.
Level 7 was used only once, for Chernobyl in Ukraine in 1986. The 1979 accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania was rated a level 5.
nothing's wrong. everything's gonna be alright..........

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42084187/ns/world_news-asiapacific?GT1=43001
 

redivider

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The radiation levels have already dropped. As for people in the US, are you serious? there is no dangerous cloud pressing down upon us.... Please quit trying to ramp this disaster up more than it is already...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??

go to yahoo.com. the main headline: Radiation Soars at Japan Nuclear Plant
 

redivider

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Cmdr. Jeff Davis said there was no danger to the public. But military personnel at Yokosuka and Naval Air Facility Atsugi were advised to limit their time outside and seal ventilation systems at their homes.
Amid concerns about radiation, Austria moved its embassy from Tokyo to Osaka.
Meanwhile, Air China and China Eastern Airlines canceled flights to Tokyo and two cities in the disaster area. Germany's Lufthansa airlines is also diverting its two daily flights to Tokyo to other Japanese cities. None mentioned radiation concerns, instead giving no explanation or citing the airports' limited capacities.
Closer to the stricken nuclear complex, the streets in the coastal city of Soma were empty as the few residents who remained there heeded the government's warning to stay indoors.
Kan and other officials warned there is a danger of more leaks and told people living within 20 miles (30 kilometers) of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex to stay indoors to avoid exposure that could make people sick. The government also imposed a no-fly zone over that area for commercial traffic.
yep, it's just a few loons trying to fear-monger....
 

Ernst

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So it didn't scatter any fallout? No radioactive dust of any kind? What about all of the other above ground testing that occurred in the 40's and 50's? Come on man! This is alrmist and you know it! I guess we'll see here in a few months when nobody dies. lol!:-P
We have no choice but to hope for the best.. I believe the kinds of damage to people will be related to radiation such as Cancer.

Oh and by the way. Plutonium is what the clouds are.. Vaporized plutonium. Really nasty stuff.
 

doc111

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We have no choice but to hope for the best.. I believe the kinds of damage to people will be related to radiation such as Cancer.

Oh and by the way. Plutonium is what the clouds are.. Vaporized plutonium. Really nasty stuff.
The fuel used in reactor number 3 is MOX (mixed oxide) which is a mixture of plutonium and uranium. Plutonium is nasty stuff which doesn't exist in nature, and there may be some in any cloud which may be released from reactor 3. I am unaware of any reports of Plutonium being discovered in the atmosphere. They started using MOX back in September and are 1 of only 3 plants in Japan to use this fuel. The radiation levels are rising and this is not over by a long shot. There are a few things that can be done to help prevent problems. They are telling the people near the plant who cannot be evacuated to seal themselves in their houses as a precaution. This disaster has already exceeded 3 mile island in scope and severity, but is nowhere near the severity of Chernoby. That may change though. :sad:

:leaf:http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20042852-76.html:leaf:
 

NoDrama

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Apparently you didn't read the info on the page. It IS a hoax. No official government service from ANY country put that map out. IT. IS. A. HOAX.
Dude is your mouth permanently attached to the US Governments shaft or what? You basically just said that anything that isn't officially sanctioned by US Government is a total and deliberate attempt to deceive. YOU. DON'T. KNOW. WHAT. A. HOAX. IS.
 

Grumpy Old Dreamer

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Dude is your mouth permanently attached to the US Governments shaft or what? You basically just said that anything that isn't officially sanctioned by US Government is a total and deliberate attempt to deceive. YOU. DON'T. KNOW. WHAT. A. HOAX. IS.

I would say that most things officially sanctioned by US Government is a total and deliberate attempt to deceive.
 

JoeCa1i

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Carne Seca

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Dude is your mouth permanently attached to the US Governments shaft or what? You basically just said that anything that isn't officially sanctioned by US Government is a total and deliberate attempt to deceive. YOU. DON'T. KNOW. WHAT. A. HOAX. IS.
And you sir, are a complete moron.
 

doc111

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I've volunteered to go over to Japan. I've never been and this is certainly not the way I had envisioned my first trip to the Empire of the Sun. I'm waiting to hear back from a colleague of mine who works in industrial accident remediation and technical rescue services. I may not necessarily be on the "front lines" if/when I go, but my glory days are over anyhow. I just want to try to help in anyway possible and am fortunate enough to have contacts that are making preparations to go over. I'll try to keep everybody posted. :cool:
 

beardo

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I think Iodine should be the headline grabber, Iodine sales are through the roof, this has been a boom for the Iodine sector
 
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