January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

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'Deep trouble': Consultant during Trump's impeachment gives his take on DOJ move

32,197 views Oct 26, 2022 The Justice Department is asking a federal judge to force the top two lawyers from Donald Trump's White House counsel's office to testify about their conversations with the former President. This comes as the DOJ tries to break through the privilege firewall Trump has used to avoid scrutiny of his actions on January 6, 2021, according to three people familiar with the investigation.
 

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Lawrence: A Supreme Court Justice Violated The Law In Plain Sight Today

1,184,418 views Oct 25, 2022 MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell analyzes a new Supreme Court order from Justice Clarence Thomas that temporarily blocks Senator Lindsey Graham from having to testify in the Fulton County grand jury investigation into the 2020 election, despite an apparent conflict of interest given his wife’s efforts to overturn President Biden’s victory.
we don't have a supreme court at the moment...EVERYTHING they rule on before we can get them out of their positions, will have to be reviewed, and much of it countered.
no one i know has any faith in the court at all. the three "liberal" judges remain sane, while the other 6 go deeper and deeper into the fascism rabbit hole. i don't like the idea of expanding the court, but i think it has to be done, to stop them from doing even more damage before they can be removed from the bench. 4 more liberal democratic appointed justices will at least counter the active fuckery of the trump owned 6.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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we don't have a supreme court at the moment...EVERYTHING they rule on before we can get them out of their positions, will have to be reviewed, and much of it countered.
no one i know has any faith in the court at all. the three "liberal" judges remain sane, while the other 6 go deeper and deeper into the fascism rabbit hole. i don't like the idea of expanding the court, but i think it has to be done, to stop them from doing even more damage before they can be removed from the bench. 4 more liberal democratic appointed justices will at least counter the active fuckery of the trump owned 6.
You need to win elections before ya can do shit and if they win them, they will make winning future ones more difficult than they are now. Have a look at what the midterm popular vote will be versus the house results to see the effects of gerrymandering. Only if you win the house can there be an impeachment of Thomas, instead of Garland and Biden. Have an independent special counsel, instead of 10 Hunter laptop investigations in a row, with unrelenting pressure on the FBI to charge him with something. It was that unrelenting pressure that cracked Comey when he fucked up with the Clinton emails before the election and got humiliatingly fired by Trump for his trouble.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Watchdog Group Calls For Congressional Investigation Into Clarence And Ginni Thomas

36,471 views Oct 27, 2022 CREW President Noah Bookbinder discusses with Nicolle Wallace why his organization is calling for an investigation into the Supreme Court Justice and his wife.
hope this leads to a quick and decisive investigation, they both need to be barred from any further government service.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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hope this leads to a quick and decisive investigation, they both need to be barred from any further government service.
Not if the republicans win the house, Garland and Biden will be investigated and impeached and there will be a demand that Biden commute Trump's sentence or nothing gets done and the government gets shut down. By the next election it will be forgotten, and they will blame Biden for everything.

The people get the government they deserve, in America and Russia.
 

cannabineer

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Not if the republicans win the house, Garland and Biden will be investigated and impeached and there will be a demand that Biden commute Trump's sentence or nothing gets done and the government gets shut down. By the next election it will be forgotten, and they will blame Biden for everything.

The people get the government they deserve, in America and Russia.
with the Senate likely becoming unambiguously Democrat-heavy, all the militants in the GOP would achieve is a slow bleed of public opinion. Repugs rely on figurative tank battles. Trench warfare would be ineffective and ugly, with the Repugs wearing it.

I disagree with your last sentence. It implies an even playing field, and Democrats have not been waging the culture war or other dirty moves nearly like their opponents. We have no analogs to Fox or Breitbart, and handwringing about the nonexistent Hard Left gets fishy after a while.

If Repugs alienate the Unlikely Voter into doing something, they’ll be trapped in a corner of their own making.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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with the Senate likely becoming unambiguously Democrat-heavy, all the militants in the GOP would achieve is a slow bleed of public opinion. Repugs rely on figurative tank battles. Trench warfare would be ineffective and ugly, with the Repugs wearing it.

I disagree with your last sentence. It implies an even playing field, and Democrats have not been waging the culture war or other dirty moves nearly like their opponents. We have no analogs to Fox or Breitbart, and handwringing about the nonexistent Hard Left gets fishy after a while.

If Repugs alienate the Unlikely Voter into doing something, they’ll be trapped in a corner of their own making.
We will see, nobody knows how the election will turn out, IMHO this one is up for grabs and I wouldn't bet money on the outcome. If they hold the senate the insanity will be confined to the house and could fracture on things like abortion and Ukraine. We don't have long to wait and according to logic and common sense the republicans should be wiped out as an existential threat, in a normal liberal democracy. The political polls are at odds with the ones on guns, abortion and other issues, yet white America is drawn to the GOP like moths to a flame. Facts don't matter, most Americans believe the republicans are better for the economy and more fiscally responsible than the democrats in spite of the evidence and plenty of reporting. Like with Trump his poll numbers which would plunge regularly with is latest antic and then magically bounce back after a couple of weeks.
 

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Despite Eastman appeal, Jan. 6 committee accesses 8 disputed emails
Congressional investigators have obtained eight disputed emails that attorney John Eastman — a key architect of Donald Trump’s effort to subvert the 2020 election — had asked a federal appeals court to shield from lawmakers.

Eastman revealed in a Sunday court filing that he delivered a link to the Jan. 6 select committee providing access to the eight emails last week — an effort to comply with a federal district court judge’s order — but asked the committee to refrain from reviewing the records while he mounted an appeal.

Instead, the select committee rejected his request, questioning whether a formal appeal had been lodged, and downloaded the documents, Eastman indicated. He is now asking the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to demand that the select committee return or destroy the documents — and prevent the panel from making use of them until the appeals court takes action.

“The Select Committee did so because the district court had ordered that these documents be disclosed to the Select Committee by 5 p.m. ET [Friday], and the district court had summarily denied your request for reconsideration or a stay (which had not been filed by you until the very eve of the disclosure deadline),” Letter wrote in the email, which Eastman included in his filing to the appeals court. “There was thus no court order prohibiting the Select Committee from examining the documents that the district court had ordered your client to produce. Any controversy about those particular documents is thus now moot.”
 

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Judge dismisses Meadows bid to block Jan. 6 panel’s subpoenas
A federal judge late Monday dismissed a suit from Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows in his bid to block two subpoenas from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 attack, including one for his phone records.

In a 27-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Carl Nichols found that the committee’s work was protected by the speech and debate clause, likewise pushing back against arguments from Meadows that the panel lacked a sufficient legislative purpose.

“At the time it issued the subpoena to Meadows, the Select Committee had evidence that Meadows was in contact with President Trump on January 6th and participated in efforts to challenge the election results,” Nichols wrote.

“Meadows is therefore a proper subject of the Select Committee’s investigation, and the Court cannot say that the Committee’s demands for his testimony, documents, and cell phone records are irrelevant to its investigative task.”

The ruling, though following an already nearly year-long legal battle, is likely to do little to deliver documents to the committee. Any appeal from Meadows would drag the discussion into next year, past the committee’s end-of-year sunset date.

But it’s significant for the numerous other legal challenges to the panel, as many make similar arguments and have likewise landed before Nichols.

It’s also a setback for Meadows, who managed to dodge prosecution from the Justice Department even after the full House voted to hold the former chief in contempt of Congress after he failed to show up for in-person testimony before the panel.

While Meadows did turn over some documents and phone records to the committee, including roughly 2,300 text messages, a privilege log given to the panel indicated Meadows withheld over 1,000 text messages and dozens of emails.

That level of cooperation appeared to thread the needle for the Justice Department, which ultimately took recommendations to prosecute two of the four recommendations from the House, filing charges against White House strategist Steve Bannon and adviser Peter Navarro.

Navarro’s case is still underway, but Bannon was sentenced to four months in prison for his defiance of the committee – a punishment he plans to appeal.
 

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BREAKING: LEAKED emails from Trump Attorneys SHOW January 6 CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY

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The emails that a California Federal Judge David Carter ORDERED John Eastman to produce to the January 6 Committee have leaked to the media showing the criminal conspiracy between Eastman and Trump and other MAGA lawyers. MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas breaks it down.
 

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https://www.rawstory.com/reporters-were-able-to-publish-john-eastman-s-emails-because-dropbox-link-was-accidentally-made-public/
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News outlets including Politico and The Washington Post were able to access eight damning emails former Trump attorney and “coup memo” author John Eastman (photo, Jan. 6) tried to keep from the U.S. House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack because public court documents included an active link to a Dropbox file they were stored in.

Those emails reveal Trump’s attorneys crafting a scheme that they appeared to believe U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas would agree to use to block certification of the 2020 presidential election results, even just temporarily, to allow the public to doubt the results were legitimate. Some interpreted the emails to suggest that Justice Thomas, whose far-right activist spouse Ginni Thomas actively worked to overturn the election, was somehow amenable to their plot. There is no indication he was involved.

That stunning development of how news outlets were able to read and publish the emails was reported by Politico’s Kyle Cheney, who posted a letter sent by the House General Counsel to the Clerk of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. It reads:

“It has come to our attention this morning that some media outlets have been able to access the Dropbox link that counsel for Dr. Eastman created to share documents with the Select Committee and that was included in the attachments to the brief we filed with the Court last night in response to Dr. Eastman’s emergency motion.”

“We were not aware that the links in Dr. Eastman’s email remained active, and had no intention to provide this type of public access to the materials at this stage. Providing public access to this material at this point was purely inadvertent on our part,” the letter explains.

“We have communicated this information to counsel for Dr. Eastman so that they can deactivate the links going forward.”

As some have noted, similar errors have been made that resulted in damning evidence being made public.

In late September attorneys for conspiracy theorist Alex Jones accidentally sent to opposing counsel – the lawyers for Sandy Hook families – what he was told on the stand were “an entire digital copy of your entire cellphone with every text message you’ve sent for the past two years.”
 

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Jake Tapper: Here's how Oath Keepers' trial compares to past sedition trials

72,536 views Nov 3, 2022
CNN's Jake Tapper explains how the sedition charges against Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and other members of the far-right group differ from past instances of sedition charges brought against individuals in the US. #CNN #News
 

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Jake Tapper: Here's how Oath Keepers' trial compares to past sedition trials

72,536 views Nov 3, 2022
CNN's Jake Tapper explains how the sedition charges against Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and other members of the far-right group differ from past instances of sedition charges brought against individuals in the US. #CNN #News
they're guilty, give them the maximum possible sentence, if you can get them for more than one thing, make the sentences run consecutively...they should be buried in the exercise yard at the federal prison they get old and die in, and they should be segregated the entire time, so they can't spread their seditious bullshit to the other prisoners.
 

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could they be a little vaguer? that laser precision is hurting my retinas...
nation-state actor? what exactly does that mean? it sounds like they're going to charge a foreign agent with espionage...i'd like to think it is a warning for trump, but the nation-state actor thing makes me think not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-unveil-cases-targeting-alleged-malign-foreign-influence-statement-2022-10-24/
IIRC he was tying the charged individuals with China: they are not random geeks in the wind, not NGOs, ships passing in the night, not *non*-state actors - they act for the nation-state that is China; they work for China.
 

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we don't have a supreme court at the moment...EVERYTHING they rule on before we can get them out of their positions, will have to be reviewed, and much of it countered.
no one i know has any faith in the court at all. the three "liberal" judges remain sane, while the other 6 go deeper and deeper into the fascism rabbit hole. i don't like the idea of expanding the court, but i think it has to be done, to stop them from doing even more damage before they can be removed from the bench. 4 more liberal democratic appointed justices will at least counter the active fuckery of the trump owned 6.
Just wanted to focus for a sec on the entirely BOGUS ‘theory’ of “originalism” - as created, crafted, and manipulated by the “Federalist” Society. THAT’s the effing rabbit-hole…and Scalia & Scalito have been dragging rabbits out of it for a very long time (since back before we realized GOP had been lying the whole time about…well, everything)

the fascism is almost secondary: manufacturing a fictitious justification for upending the constitution itself is a goal in its own right; once you’ve developed a weapon like that, it hardly matters what the cover story is, only that you can sell enough of it to enough people, for just *long enough*….

If what you want is a permanent lock on total control…you do it like the overthrow crowd has done it, but there’s a catch: it must be *COMPLETED* before the enabling base gets wise to the sellout. Once the new machinery is in place, billionaires, millionaires, resource controllers, production controllers will be the only citizens, call ALL the shots, and Plato’s “perfect” Republic will come to be.

Tick tock, tick tock…time’s running out, boys - more and more of the base is sliding away: the ‘74 midterms, right after Nixon’s resignation, Republican turnout was down a mere 5%…but their losses were HUGE; Congress would have been justified in declaring a mandate to overhaul election laws, had they not still believed GOP actors were just *wrong* & not malicious. The situation *now* is far beyond Nixon’s tapes, dirty tricks & coverup: a 5% pullback by GOP base today, as tight as things are supposed to be, means they lose EVERYWHERE
 

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Jan. 6 committee says Trump must start turning over records next week
Former President Trump must begin turning over documents related to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection next week, according to a statement from the leaders of the House select committee investigating the attack.

Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) and Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) said in a statement Friday that they have informed Trump’s counsel of that new deadline. The former president was originally supposed to provide the documents by Friday, under the terms of the committee’s subpoena.

The members of the committee unanimously approved issuing a subpoena to Trump for records and testimony at the conclusion of its final public hearing last month.

Thompson and Cheney said Trump is under subpoena to sit for a deposition on Nov. 14. They said they have received correspondence from Trump and his counsel in connection with the subpoena.

The subpoena details 19 areas of inquiry that the committee wishes to discuss with him in relation to the insurrection and efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Testimony from many witnesses who testified during public hearings before the committee since the start of the summer detailed efforts to overturn the election results, culminating in the insurrection.

Trump did not immediately return a request from The Hill for comment through his Save America PAC.
Trump is reportedly looking at Nov. 14, the day he is supposed to testify before the committee, as a potential day to launch a third bid for the White House in 2024.
 
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