DIY-HP-LED
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One thing I've noticed that Donald has in common with those that are still his fans, they both don't or can't learn from their past mistakes.
January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.
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doublejj
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that's because to them it was never their mistake...
DIY-HP-LED
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Another commonality is they don't let facts get in the way and have a rather fuzzy grasp on reality.
DIY-HP-LED
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Jan. 6 panel members report progress on Trump-Secret Service probe
Lawmakers on the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol offered differing accounts Wednesday of recent evidence they have received from the Secret Service, but agreed they are making progress on its investigation into agency actions in the days leading up to the attack.
The comments follow demands from the committee that the agency turn over its communications for Jan. 5 and Jan. 6 after being notified the Secret Service lost the messages as it migrated to a new mobile management software.
The Secret Service turned in a large batch of documents to the committee in July, but Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said “there is now a very steady flow of data coming in to the committee.”
“New information has come in and some of it is, you know, very pertinent. Some of it is less relevant, but it’s been a large volume of information,” Lofgren said during an appearance on MSNBC on Wednesday.
Panel Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) suggested that the committee has also been able to obtain additional messages from the agency.
Just a single text message was turned over by the Secret Service amid thousands of documents in response to the committee’s request – a plea from then-Capitol Police officer Steven Sund asking for help.
Thompson twice answered “yes” when asked if the files recently turned over included agency text messages from Jan. 5 and Jan. 6.
He also said he was not aware of whether they had been reconstructed.
“They were presented to us. I’m not — I don’t know the origin,” Thompson said.
“We’ve asked for any and all messages, so the tranches we’ve received have been significant,” he added. “It’s a combination of a number of text messages, radio traffic, that kind of thing. Just thousands of exhibits.”
Lofgren would not offer details on the format of the new information that has proven useful to the committee.
“I didn’t say what specific types of information, and I really am not at liberty to do that under the committee rules. You know, there’s texts, there’s emails, there’s radio traffic, there’s all kinds of information, [Microsoft] Teams meetings. So we’re going through everything that’s been provided. More is coming in. As I say, some of it is not relevant, and some of it is,” she said.
“It’s a huge slog to go through it, but we are going to go through it, and the members of the committee themselves have been involved in this.”
The indication that the committee is making process in its investigation as it relates to the Secret Service comes as the panel’s members have said they have yet to secure testimony from Tony Ornato, who retired from the Secret Service this summer following testimony that he told White House staff that former President Trump lunged at his security detail after being told he could not join his supporters at the Capitol on Jan. 6.
While the Secret Service said Ornato and any other staff would be made available to the committee, he has yet to testify.
“He has his own lawyer and obviously the constraints of him being in the Secret Service is different than him being a private citizen,” Thompson said.
thehill.com
Lawmakers on the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol offered differing accounts Wednesday of recent evidence they have received from the Secret Service, but agreed they are making progress on its investigation into agency actions in the days leading up to the attack.
The comments follow demands from the committee that the agency turn over its communications for Jan. 5 and Jan. 6 after being notified the Secret Service lost the messages as it migrated to a new mobile management software.
The Secret Service turned in a large batch of documents to the committee in July, but Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said “there is now a very steady flow of data coming in to the committee.”
“New information has come in and some of it is, you know, very pertinent. Some of it is less relevant, but it’s been a large volume of information,” Lofgren said during an appearance on MSNBC on Wednesday.
Panel Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) suggested that the committee has also been able to obtain additional messages from the agency.
Just a single text message was turned over by the Secret Service amid thousands of documents in response to the committee’s request – a plea from then-Capitol Police officer Steven Sund asking for help.
Thompson twice answered “yes” when asked if the files recently turned over included agency text messages from Jan. 5 and Jan. 6.
He also said he was not aware of whether they had been reconstructed.
“They were presented to us. I’m not — I don’t know the origin,” Thompson said.
“We’ve asked for any and all messages, so the tranches we’ve received have been significant,” he added. “It’s a combination of a number of text messages, radio traffic, that kind of thing. Just thousands of exhibits.”
Lofgren would not offer details on the format of the new information that has proven useful to the committee.
“I didn’t say what specific types of information, and I really am not at liberty to do that under the committee rules. You know, there’s texts, there’s emails, there’s radio traffic, there’s all kinds of information, [Microsoft] Teams meetings. So we’re going through everything that’s been provided. More is coming in. As I say, some of it is not relevant, and some of it is,” she said.
“It’s a huge slog to go through it, but we are going to go through it, and the members of the committee themselves have been involved in this.”
The indication that the committee is making process in its investigation as it relates to the Secret Service comes as the panel’s members have said they have yet to secure testimony from Tony Ornato, who retired from the Secret Service this summer following testimony that he told White House staff that former President Trump lunged at his security detail after being told he could not join his supporters at the Capitol on Jan. 6.
While the Secret Service said Ornato and any other staff would be made available to the committee, he has yet to testify.
“He has his own lawyer and obviously the constraints of him being in the Secret Service is different than him being a private citizen,” Thompson said.
Jan. 6 panel members report progress on Trump-Secret Service probe
Lawmakers on the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol offered differing accounts Wednesday of recent evidence they have received from the Secret Service, but agreed the…
thehill.com
DIY-HP-LED
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I can imagine all the radio traffic around Washington was captured and recorded, even by amateurs using SDR dongles with computers. Even the encrypted text messages were captured, by the NSA or someone else, it's a no brainer that they would monitor the radio spectrum around DC. These text messages can be unencrypted by the likes of the NSA and FBI.Jan. 6 panel members report progress on Trump-Secret Service probe
Lawmakers on the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol offered differing accounts Wednesday of recent evidence they have received from the Secret Service, but agreed they are making progress on its investigation into agency actions in the days leading up to the attack.
The comments follow demands from the committee that the agency turn over its communications for Jan. 5 and Jan. 6 after being notified the Secret Service lost the messages as it migrated to a new mobile management software.
The Secret Service turned in a large batch of documents to the committee in July, but Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said “there is now a very steady flow of data coming in to the committee.”
“New information has come in and some of it is, you know, very pertinent. Some of it is less relevant, but it’s been a large volume of information,” Lofgren said during an appearance on MSNBC on Wednesday.
Panel Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) suggested that the committee has also been able to obtain additional messages from the agency.
Just a single text message was turned over by the Secret Service amid thousands of documents in response to the committee’s request – a plea from then-Capitol Police officer Steven Sund asking for help.
Thompson twice answered “yes” when asked if the files recently turned over included agency text messages from Jan. 5 and Jan. 6.
He also said he was not aware of whether they had been reconstructed.
“They were presented to us. I’m not — I don’t know the origin,” Thompson said.
“We’ve asked for any and all messages, so the tranches we’ve received have been significant,” he added. “It’s a combination of a number of text messages, radio traffic, that kind of thing. Just thousands of exhibits.”
Lofgren would not offer details on the format of the new information that has proven useful to the committee.
“I didn’t say what specific types of information, and I really am not at liberty to do that under the committee rules. You know, there’s texts, there’s emails, there’s radio traffic, there’s all kinds of information, [Microsoft] Teams meetings. So we’re going through everything that’s been provided. More is coming in. As I say, some of it is not relevant, and some of it is,” she said.
“It’s a huge slog to go through it, but we are going to go through it, and the members of the committee themselves have been involved in this.”
The indication that the committee is making process in its investigation as it relates to the Secret Service comes as the panel’s members have said they have yet to secure testimony from Tony Ornato, who retired from the Secret Service this summer following testimony that he told White House staff that former President Trump lunged at his security detail after being told he could not join his supporters at the Capitol on Jan. 6.
While the Secret Service said Ornato and any other staff would be made available to the committee, he has yet to testify.
“He has his own lawyer and obviously the constraints of him being in the Secret Service is different than him being a private citizen,” Thompson said.
Jan. 6 panel members report progress on Trump-Secret Service probe
Lawmakers on the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol offered differing accounts Wednesday of recent evidence they have received from the Secret Service, but agreed the…
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about The Pillow Guy's phone....
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Ursus marijanus
he does not usually indulge in sarcasm! But then again, Lindell.
DIY-HP-LED
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Colbert nailed it and as you can see, Trump will be nailed for it! It was not exactly a secret while it was ongoing since early September, when the polls told Trump he was in trouble.
We Predicted Every Insane, Criminal Step Down Nutball Treason Highway To January 6th
2,032,874 views Sep 14, 2022 Let's take a look back at the lead up to January 6th, and humbly remind ourselves what we were totally right about all along.
We Predicted Every Insane, Criminal Step Down Nutball Treason Highway To January 6th
2,032,874 views Sep 14, 2022 Let's take a look back at the lead up to January 6th, and humbly remind ourselves what we were totally right about all along.
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Meadows complies with DOJ subpoena in Jan. 6 investigation: report
Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows complied with a Department of Justice (DOJ) subpoena in its investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot, turning over the same materials he previously gave to the House select committee investigating the riot, CNN reported on Thursday.
Meadows is the highest-ranking Trump official reported to have complied with a subpoena in the Justice Department’s investigation thus far. The DOJ has issued about 40 subpoenas to various associates of former President Trump in connection with its Jan. 6 probe, which appears to be ramping up, The New York Times reported earlier this week.
Last year, Meadows turned over 2,319 texts to the House Jan. 6 committee that he sent and received between Election Day in 2020 and President Biden’s inauguration in January 2021.
The texts showed Meadows communicating with several officials about efforts to find election fraud and challenge election results, as well as Republican lawmakers pleading with the former chief of staff to stop the rioting at the Capitol.
After refusing to cooperate further with the committee, the House voted to hold Meadows in contempt of Congress in December, though the DOJ ultimately chose not to prosecute him on the charge.
thehill.com
Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows complied with a Department of Justice (DOJ) subpoena in its investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot, turning over the same materials he previously gave to the House select committee investigating the riot, CNN reported on Thursday.
Meadows is the highest-ranking Trump official reported to have complied with a subpoena in the Justice Department’s investigation thus far. The DOJ has issued about 40 subpoenas to various associates of former President Trump in connection with its Jan. 6 probe, which appears to be ramping up, The New York Times reported earlier this week.
Last year, Meadows turned over 2,319 texts to the House Jan. 6 committee that he sent and received between Election Day in 2020 and President Biden’s inauguration in January 2021.
The texts showed Meadows communicating with several officials about efforts to find election fraud and challenge election results, as well as Republican lawmakers pleading with the former chief of staff to stop the rioting at the Capitol.
After refusing to cooperate further with the committee, the House voted to hold Meadows in contempt of Congress in December, though the DOJ ultimately chose not to prosecute him on the charge.
Meadows complies with DOJ subpoena in Jan. 6 investigation: report
Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows complied with a Department of Justice subpoena in its investigation into the Jan. 6 riot, turning over the same materials he previously gave to the Ja…
thehill.com
Roger A. Shrubber
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complying republicans make me suspicious...they never cooperate willinglyMeadows complies with DOJ subpoena in Jan. 6 investigation: report
Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows complied with a Department of Justice (DOJ) subpoena in its investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot, turning over the same materials he previously gave to the House select committee investigating the riot, CNN reported on Thursday.
Meadows is the highest-ranking Trump official reported to have complied with a subpoena in the Justice Department’s investigation thus far. The DOJ has issued about 40 subpoenas to various associates of former President Trump in connection with its Jan. 6 probe, which appears to be ramping up, The New York Times reported earlier this week.
Last year, Meadows turned over 2,319 texts to the House Jan. 6 committee that he sent and received between Election Day in 2020 and President Biden’s inauguration in January 2021.
The texts showed Meadows communicating with several officials about efforts to find election fraud and challenge election results, as well as Republican lawmakers pleading with the former chief of staff to stop the rioting at the Capitol.
After refusing to cooperate further with the committee, the House voted to hold Meadows in contempt of Congress in December, though the DOJ ultimately chose not to prosecute him on the charge.
Meadows complies with DOJ subpoena in Jan. 6 investigation: report
Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows complied with a Department of Justice subpoena in its investigation into the Jan. 6 riot, turning over the same materials he previously gave to the Ja…
DIY-HP-LED
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If he doesn't, the DOJ will get a warrant and the FBI will arrest him, period, he will be in cuffs and purp walked to the grand jury like Navarro.
Friendly_Grower
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I have to admit that I laugh my butt off when these privileged people get upset that they get a search warrant served and their stuff taken.
They act like it is something that is so far outside of the norm that they are some how a victim.
Let them cry!
They act like it is something that is so far outside of the norm that they are some how a victim.
Let them cry!
DIY-HP-LED
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140 republicans in congress might start worrying too, if the democrats win and an independent special counsel is appointed to look into the political end of J6. They can ask them under oath in public hearings why they voted to delay the certification, after a violent coup attempt and other schemes and plots to steal the election, including the fake electors they tried to promote.
Trump Advisers Fear DOJ Probes More Expansive Than Publicly Known: Report
257,173 views Sep 15, 2022 Former President Trump's advisers fear that the DOJ probes are more expansive than publicly known, according to new Politico reporting.
Trump Advisers Fear DOJ Probes More Expansive Than Publicly Known: Report
257,173 views Sep 15, 2022 Former President Trump's advisers fear that the DOJ probes are more expansive than publicly known, according to new Politico reporting.
printer
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"But, but... ...we are special because of our wealth!"
Roger A. Shrubber
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well, yeah, i mean he did the same thing, just months ago, and he got perp...what? he didn't? oh...well, he got thrown in a cell..no? no cell? well at least he got censured? no? nothing? he just ignored them with no consequences? well, surely he'll never do that again...
Roger A. Shrubber
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it is outside the norm...the norm has become republicans doing outrageous shit that would have had them bounced the fuck out of DC a decade ago, with no fucking consequences what so ever. they support a thieving, traitorous conman, they associate and plot with white supremacist, christian nationalists, they support putin, and the war in Ukraine, trying to claim there are chemical weapon labs there, there are nazis there, there are people oppressing russians there...but there are no chemical weapons labs, no nazis, and the russian citizens are invaders, and traitors.
they have nothing to stop them from escalating their shitty behavior, they haven't been censured at all for saying horrible things, so they're going to keep saying them. the next step is doing horrible things. oh, sorry, my bad, they already started doing horrible things.
DIY-HP-LED
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Jan. 6 panel members offer long-awaited elections reform bill
Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), two members of the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, introduced a bill on Monday to reform the Electoral College Act, offering a number of provisions to protect elections from interference by state and federal lawmakers.
The Presidential Election Reform Act would make clear that the role of the vice president in presiding over the counting of electoral votes is purely “ministerial.”
It also takes aim at potential action from the lawmakers’ colleagues to object to states’ electoral slates, requiring that a third of the members from both chambers must object to the certification, up from just one member for each chamber, while narrowing the grounds under which they can bring such an objection.
“If members of Congress have any right to object to electoral slates, the grounds for such objections should be narrow. Congress doesn’t sit as a court of last resort, capable of overruling state and federal judges to alter the electoral outcome,” the duo wrote in a Sunday night op-ed previewing the bill.
The bill also directly prohibits the fake elector scheme employed by the Trump campaign, which both submitted faux election certificates and pressured Republicans in various states to replace their electors with those who would vote for then-President Trump.
The legislation requires “a single, accurate certificate from each state,” according to a one-pager on the bill, and allows candidates to seek a court order if a state governor fails to transmit the electoral certificate. It also increases the penalty for neglecting that duty from $1,000 to $25,000.
The House Rules Committee is set to consider the Presidential Election Reform Act on Tuesday, clearing the way for the bill to make it to the House floor as soon as Wednesday.
The legislation comes amid progress on a similar Senate package introduced in July, with two House lawmakers introducing companion legislation last week.
The Cheney-Lofgren bill departs from the Senate’s Electoral Count Act in several ways, including by requiring a higher bar to object to elections — the Senate proposal requires one-fifth backing in each chamber to do so.
But the House bill also eyes other areas of election protection untouched by the Senate version, including a section designed to limit the ability to delay elections.
The legislation only allows for delays due to a “catastrophic event” such as a natural disaster affecting a substantial portion of the state from casting ballots, and would only permit an extension of the election in the affected areas.
“Federal law must make clear that the rules governing an election can’t change after the election has occurred. The Constitution assigns an important duty to state legislatures, to determine the manner in which the states appoint their electors. But this shouldn’t be misread to allow state legislators to change the election rules retroactively to alter the outcome,” Lofgren and Cheney wrote in the op-ed.
The bill is the first to come from the House committee’s members after they vowed to offer legislation to prevent the actions of Jan. 6 from happening again.
Committee member Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-Md.) has urged the panel to go further.
“Donald Trump didn’t set out to overthrow the Electoral Count Act, he set out to overthrow the election. And the election is far broader than just the Electoral Count Act,” Raskin said.
“We need to develop a comprehensive approach to guaranteeing voting rights and solidifying the electoral apparatus against coups and insurrections, political violence and electoral sabotage in the future,” he added.
“If all we did was to say that the vice president does not have the authority to nullify Electoral College votes, then we will not have lived up to this moment,” Raskin said.
thehill.com
Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), two members of the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, introduced a bill on Monday to reform the Electoral College Act, offering a number of provisions to protect elections from interference by state and federal lawmakers.
The Presidential Election Reform Act would make clear that the role of the vice president in presiding over the counting of electoral votes is purely “ministerial.”
It also takes aim at potential action from the lawmakers’ colleagues to object to states’ electoral slates, requiring that a third of the members from both chambers must object to the certification, up from just one member for each chamber, while narrowing the grounds under which they can bring such an objection.
“If members of Congress have any right to object to electoral slates, the grounds for such objections should be narrow. Congress doesn’t sit as a court of last resort, capable of overruling state and federal judges to alter the electoral outcome,” the duo wrote in a Sunday night op-ed previewing the bill.
The bill also directly prohibits the fake elector scheme employed by the Trump campaign, which both submitted faux election certificates and pressured Republicans in various states to replace their electors with those who would vote for then-President Trump.
The legislation requires “a single, accurate certificate from each state,” according to a one-pager on the bill, and allows candidates to seek a court order if a state governor fails to transmit the electoral certificate. It also increases the penalty for neglecting that duty from $1,000 to $25,000.
The House Rules Committee is set to consider the Presidential Election Reform Act on Tuesday, clearing the way for the bill to make it to the House floor as soon as Wednesday.
The legislation comes amid progress on a similar Senate package introduced in July, with two House lawmakers introducing companion legislation last week.
The Cheney-Lofgren bill departs from the Senate’s Electoral Count Act in several ways, including by requiring a higher bar to object to elections — the Senate proposal requires one-fifth backing in each chamber to do so.
But the House bill also eyes other areas of election protection untouched by the Senate version, including a section designed to limit the ability to delay elections.
The legislation only allows for delays due to a “catastrophic event” such as a natural disaster affecting a substantial portion of the state from casting ballots, and would only permit an extension of the election in the affected areas.
“Federal law must make clear that the rules governing an election can’t change after the election has occurred. The Constitution assigns an important duty to state legislatures, to determine the manner in which the states appoint their electors. But this shouldn’t be misread to allow state legislators to change the election rules retroactively to alter the outcome,” Lofgren and Cheney wrote in the op-ed.
The bill is the first to come from the House committee’s members after they vowed to offer legislation to prevent the actions of Jan. 6 from happening again.
Committee member Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-Md.) has urged the panel to go further.
“Donald Trump didn’t set out to overthrow the Electoral Count Act, he set out to overthrow the election. And the election is far broader than just the Electoral Count Act,” Raskin said.
“We need to develop a comprehensive approach to guaranteeing voting rights and solidifying the electoral apparatus against coups and insurrections, political violence and electoral sabotage in the future,” he added.
“If all we did was to say that the vice president does not have the authority to nullify Electoral College votes, then we will not have lived up to this moment,” Raskin said.
Jan. 6 panel members offer long-awaited elections reform bill
Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), two members of the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, introduced a bill on Monday to reform the Electoral College Act,…
thehill.com
DIY-HP-LED
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He should have been shot between the eyes with his hands up as he approached the cop and refused orders to stop while leading a mob. He shouldn't even be alive IMHO, by now he should be just a bad memory, next time they try it they will be mowed down like grass by miniguns on the capitol steps.
Jury Selection Begins For Capitol Rioter Who Chased After Police Officer Upstairs
4,476 views Sep 19, 2022 Jury selection has begun for Doug Jensen, who was caught on camera chasing a Capitol police officer up stairs during the Jan. 6 riots. NBC News' Ryan Reilly reports on Jensen's background and his fascination with online conspiracy theories
Jury Selection Begins For Capitol Rioter Who Chased After Police Officer Upstairs
4,476 views Sep 19, 2022 Jury selection has begun for Doug Jensen, who was caught on camera chasing a Capitol police officer up stairs during the Jan. 6 riots. NBC News' Ryan Reilly reports on Jensen's background and his fascination with online conspiracy theories