mame
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yep, she applied for tons of jobs and went to several interviews before she finally got a job, but she got one (near minimum wage too, btw...).
It's Class Warfare Alright.
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WillyBagseed
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If you read the statistics more white citizens take advantage of medicaid and welfare than all minorities combined. Even if you use a "percentage" of population whites win. Guess what states use the most..... Red states.
It was ok for your ancestors to immigrate here but now that you are born nobody else should be allowed in. Enforce the illegal employers laws we have and start shutting down people who hire illegals. No jobs for illegals = no illegals. It is not the illegals fault trying to better their lives, it is the fault of companies trying to make extra $$
Unemployment = insurance that you pay for , not an "entitlement" (and you have to pay taxes on it when you receive)
Social security = insurance you pay for , not an "entitlement" ( and thanks to Reagan it is taxed)
Corporate welfare = not paid for by the corporation (paid by we the citizen) entitlement.
kevin
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when my wife and i got married money was tight and we applied for food stamps and got them. there was enough there that she was able to work part time and go to school with goverment grants. 2 years later she had a degree, working and paying taxes. fast foward another 20+ years and between the 2 of us we pay damn near 25,000 in taxes a year and i'm glad our money is going to people that need the same chance we got.
mame
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I thought I was the only one that noticed that; I'm pretty sure every thread I've ever started was eventually marked with 1 star.
RyanTheRhino
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democratic socialism pisses me off. ill just wait till im sober to post any thing so i dont get kicked.
oh and by the way mame i just got back from work to pay for your internet services, so you can spend all of tomorrow proving me wrong. its OK tho Obama is president.
mame
oh and by the way mame i just got back from work to pay for your internet services, so you can spend all of tomorrow proving me wrong. its OK tho Obama is president.
mame
WillyBagseed
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Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to
meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our
government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social
democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.
Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has
taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States.
Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.
Bernie Sanders - 2012
http://www.ontheissues.org/house/Bernie_Sanders_Drugs.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm
He advocates legal MMJ and has stated cannabis needs to be legalized period.
RyanTheRhino
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when has socialism ever been democratic?? ask Joseph Stalin for me. lmaoWillyßagseed;6133752 said:
he would shoot you in the head for asking such a question
WillyBagseed
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Communism and Socialism are not the same thing, socialism and democratic socialism are not the same thing............. Reading is good......
Bernie Sanders supports universal college education. That means you go to college, study what you want, and the government picks up the tab. Sound like Soviet Russia? Try Denmark. Or Finland or Norway. Or even Cuba or Argentina. All of which are kicking our ass when it comes to secondary education graduation rates, literacy rates, math, science, etc. Wait --Cuba is kicking our ass in education? They're shit poor! Ah, but so are 60% of Americans, especially after college.
Bernie Sanders supports universal college education. That means you go to college, study what you want, and the government picks up the tab. Sound like Soviet Russia? Try Denmark. Or Finland or Norway. Or even Cuba or Argentina. All of which are kicking our ass when it comes to secondary education graduation rates, literacy rates, math, science, etc. Wait --Cuba is kicking our ass in education? They're shit poor! Ah, but so are 60% of Americans, especially after college.
RyanTheRhino
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that's where all you go wrong. did you think Russia thought they would be oppressed.. people like you bought into the theory and then they elect a primer and wham he nuts in your face.
WillyBagseed
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Again, reading is good.
Start by reading the first line in the United States Constitution.
WE the people......
Start by reading the first line in the United States Constitution.
WE the people......
mame
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excuse me? How do you pay for my internet services? I was under the impression I paid for that... Or maybe that huge monthly bill is nothing? I was pretty sure all of that money came out of my account.
Just to be clear, I've never recieved any government aid and my girlfriend received aid for less than two months.. And she had to put in for unemployment insurance, so that surely isn't free money. Again, how are you paying my internet bill?
let me break it down for you, since you MUST have missed the first time i explained it:
FLAT tax rate of 7%
family Rodriguez makes 38,000 dollars, they spend 35,000 per year on living expenses. sales tax at 7% so tax burden = 2450. 2450/38000 * 100 = 6.4% of their income is their total tax burden.
Family Shulz makes 1,000,000 per year. they spend 450,000 per year on living expenses. sales tax at 7% so tax burden = 31500. 31500/1,000,000 * 100 = 3.15% of their income is their tax burden.
even though family shulz makes a good 26 times more money than family rodriguez, the percent of total income they pay as a tax burden is less than half of the percentage of income family rodriguez has to pay....
isn't that just a picture of fairness?????
sync0s
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What about excise taxes?
MuyLocoNC
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Well, to begin with your numbers are fictitious and designed to support your argument, so there's that.
Second, I wasn't talking about the "fair tax" I was referring to a "flat tax", that's why I posted "flat tax". Which has been put forth at about 15%, which comes out of your earnings, not what you spend. Many proposals include an exemption for the first $20k for basic needs.
Family making $50k would have a $4500 tax obligation which works out to 9%.
Family making $1 million would pay $147,000 which is 14.7%.
No other deductions, no loopholes, no IRS and yeah I do think that's fair.
You wouldn't have CEOs paying less than their secretaries as you guys always like to point out. You also wouldn't have evil corporations (GE) earning billions and paying squat. What you would have is record revenues and noone would have anything to bitch about. They are using this in quite a few countries overseas with incredible results.
I'm sure you've read this but I'll throw out the link anyways, if you haven't, don't dismiss it...read it.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/07/a-brief-guide-to-the-flat-tax
deprave
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yesterday jon stewart pointed out one of republicans most nefarious arguments:
raising taxes on the top tier of earners will 'only' raise 700 billion dollars over the next 10 years. so it's not worth it b/c its just a drop in the ocean, a grain of sand in the sahara, it just won't do much for the debt. that's the republican spin on it.
but when talking about cutting services, you could cut a WHOPPING 1 million from the national endowment of the arts, a MASSIVE 1.2 million from NPR...
'broaden the tax base' is a big one too. this is frank lunz at his best. broaden the tax base is just code for taxing the poor more. hello?? i mean a whopping 99.6% of poor people have refrigerators... psssst!!! how dare they...
it's not like 100% of rich people have 3 refrigerators, AND a wine cellar.... wait...
he points out that the 50% of poor people who don't pay taxes only own around 2% of the total value of the economy. or 1.4 trillion dollars. let's just take half.
that'll be a whopping 700 billion dollars!!!! sound familiar??? that's exactly what could be raised by returning tax rates for the ULTRA RICH to 1990s levels. and the economy was BOOMING....
but no. republicans seem to be fixated on the idea that it's class warfare ONLY when trying to make 2% of the population pay more.
when it's taking from 50% of the population, or 'the poor', it's broadening the tax base, and it's GOOD for the ecomony.
it's class warfare alright.... and if we let republicans get their way the POOR, who are defined as a family of 4 who make less than 22thousand per year, will be the ones to really suffer...
the rich won't suffer by paying more taxes... they might not get that government handout to buy a private jet, but at least they'll still have their bentleys....
You make some great points here, very well put, especially from a left wing extremist such as yourself, thank you for restraining yourself 'red' diver and making a good post. Anyway all good points except the insinuation that a return to pre-bush taxes is somehow the holy grail, while I do agree it would be a step in the right direction, its very far from the holy grail..very very far....very
I'm not a rabid Jon Stewart fan, but, wow, that bit was a classic. I also liked that he acknowledged that Ron Paul was getting the silent treatment by the media when he is in the top three Republican candidates. I agree, we should close all the loopholes, end corporate welfare(subsidies), and END the drug war! Just imagine the revenues..