Iso hash vs. bubble hash
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<3too.grow
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the process of making ISO hash is very dangerous too you have to be careful not to burn yo house up! that shit happens ALL the ttime, i would suggest doing it outside eh
Locked Up
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not really that dangerous if you don't use any heat. This probably happens to people who try to speed the drying process with heat.
Even then it's not that dangerous. If you light a pan of solvent on fire, you just need to not panic and cover the pan -- if you try to pick it up and loose it, or dump it in the sink, or somehow spill it, then your pretty fucked.
Had an acetone fire one time, trying to evaporate it over a gas stove
whenallislost
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If you are tasting the alcohol then you are doing it wrong. You are supposed to dry the hash COMPLETELY before smoking. In fact what I seem to get looks like a bunch of crust in the bottom of the dish, and when I scrape it with a blade it accumulates on the blade and is soft, almost like putty. After scraping the whole dish (Which needs to be TOTALLY dry) you end up with a bunch of shavings that you simply press together with very little force and it turns into a black ball of hash goodness. Ive made iso with just trim, just shake (stems, leaves, etc), and straight up buds. Obviously the buds give the best hash smoke, however all of the hash tastes great, for hash that is. There is nothing like smoke a big ol' fat nug. But a little ISO hash made the correct way, well that is alright in my book.
However, if you have the means to do so, I recommend making honey hash oil using butane or hexane. They dont dissolve the chlorophyll so you end up getting a honey looking hash. Very nice to smoke.
whenallislost
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Its not that dangerous. Make sure you dont use the heat purge method. Also make sure you let the dish dry outside or in a very well ventilated area. I prefer to sun dry my ISO, that way I dont have to worry about fumes or fire.
Trousers
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I have had some fine dry ice hash, but no one is going to tell you it is stronger than properly made bubble hash.[420]Haze;7083189 said:
Buble hash tastes and smells better too.
iso is not even in the same league as bubble hash
real bubbble hash, the stuff that melts is great. it smells very floral and will rip you a new one if you are not familiar with it
I have a bunch and usually end the day with it
freeze your trim wet
use r/o water and ice
be gentle and only hand mix for about 6 minutes at a time or use a machine and mix for 3-4 minutes at a time
run through a 120 bag then a 73 (you can run it through a 25 too if you want)
don't squeeze the bags to make the water move faster, hang it and let it drip
profit (and never make iso again)
mike91sr
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After trying each method for a few months, heres my take.
IWE(bubble) Pros:
-Done right, the flavor and smell is hard to beat
-Even fucked up, no solvents to worry about ingesting
Cons:
-Time consuming and you can only do one run per day if your bags take forever to drain like most
-Freezers cant keep up with making ice for more than one or two runs per day
-IME, consistency is trickier to get consistent (no pun intended), I like my hash crumbly but not like a f'in rock which seems to happen 50% of the time with my IWE
-Good bags aren't cheap and still dont last forever
-RO water and ice is best, but a decent hassle if youre making hash every week
ISO Pros:
-FAST, several lbs of trim can be done in a few minutes
-CHEAP - $25 of iso gets me several oz of hash, and no up front investment cost
-Easier to control consistency. oil, crumbly, gummy
Cons:
-Buying so many bottles of iso every week gets old, so does explaining off so much iso to walmart employees lol
-Done my way(dry overnight with a fan, not heat), house stinks like iso while its drying
-If youre too impatient/stupid to let your hash dry for a single day, youll end up smoking iso. Which I believe you would deserve if you actually smoked something that still smells like iso lol.
I've stuck with iso, equal potency but I get better yields by doing a second wash which is just about as potent as the first. And I can make a hp of hash/oil in an easy afternoon. That used to take me a week of sitting at a bucket with a drill whenever I had a chance.
IWE(bubble) Pros:
-Done right, the flavor and smell is hard to beat
-Even fucked up, no solvents to worry about ingesting
Cons:
-Time consuming and you can only do one run per day if your bags take forever to drain like most
-Freezers cant keep up with making ice for more than one or two runs per day
-IME, consistency is trickier to get consistent (no pun intended), I like my hash crumbly but not like a f'in rock which seems to happen 50% of the time with my IWE
-Good bags aren't cheap and still dont last forever
-RO water and ice is best, but a decent hassle if youre making hash every week
ISO Pros:
-FAST, several lbs of trim can be done in a few minutes
-CHEAP - $25 of iso gets me several oz of hash, and no up front investment cost
-Easier to control consistency. oil, crumbly, gummy
Cons:
-Buying so many bottles of iso every week gets old, so does explaining off so much iso to walmart employees lol
-Done my way(dry overnight with a fan, not heat), house stinks like iso while its drying
-If youre too impatient/stupid to let your hash dry for a single day, youll end up smoking iso. Which I believe you would deserve if you actually smoked something that still smells like iso lol.
I've stuck with iso, equal potency but I get better yields by doing a second wash which is just about as potent as the first. And I can make a hp of hash/oil in an easy afternoon. That used to take me a week of sitting at a bucket with a drill whenever I had a chance.
Trousers
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With my post I was thinking of small, occasional batches.
I just do not find iso to be really comparable to bubble. The flavor and smell of bubble are amazing. Strength wise, I have not come across iso as strong as well made bubble hash.
I have a bubble machine. for the amount you are talking about you could use a washing machine and 20 gallon bags. With a machine you can run multiple batches at once if you have a couple sets of bags. While one is draining you run another batch in the machine.
I bought a set of bags on ebay for $35 shipped. I have been using them for over 3 years. I only use a 120 micron and a 70 micron. The 20 isn't worth the tiny amount I get versus the time to drain it. The bags last a long time if you do not blend in them, squeeze them and only let the water drain.
If you are making that much hash you should try a washing machine and buy ice. If you have a filter R/O water is super cheap. You can make fine hash with tap water an tap ice.
I'm talking about running gallon bags of trim, not garbage bags full of trim.
the only think I have found stronger than good bubble hash is well made oil. I prefer bubble hash. I gave away my butane oil rig.
SpicySativa
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I just don't see the appeal of taking great care to grow tasty 100% organic herb and then processing it with isopropyl alcohol from some chemical factory.
I'll take my pure, organic bubble hash over any chemically extracted creation.
I'm not even going to comment on your marketing scheme...
I'll take my pure, organic bubble hash over any chemically extracted creation.
I'm not even going to comment on your marketing scheme...
SpicySativa
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Just speakin' my mind. Don't mean to offend. If I understand you correctly, you plan to deceive your "clientele" to make more cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong (it happens).
ru4r34l
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There's really no chance of smoking ISO if you know what you are doing, like you saind a simple sniff and/or lighter test will give you all the verification you need.
The chemical is removed leaving mostly only THC
(depending on your skill level), and for some the plant material is a real turn off or just not usable.regards,
Warlock1369
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Bubble hash all the way. But I like dry ice. More ways to use it. Well for me anyways.
mike91sr
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I agree, the best IWE I've had is better than the best ISO I've had. Flavor, smell, potency. But 90% of the IWE I come across, at shops and elsewhere, is comparable to or lower quality than my iso in all 3 aspects. My ISO melts completely just like good full melt bubble, and gets labelled(not by me) as full melt, not iso. It smells and tastes great too, better than probably 80% of the bubble I've come across.
I considered a machine, and I know its easy enough to do multiple drains at a time to speed things up. Point is, I have to buy a machine and multiple bags to do that, and I wasn't impressed enough by my IWE results compared to iso to even justify investing in a machine. And in regards to smaller amounts, even a grocery bag of trim takes awhile to do without a machine compared to iso. If you're using a machine for small amounts, then that only increases the ISO's savings, and even not including the time the machine is running, just filling, draining, swapping bags, and scraping, I would still get through it faster doing the quick wash method I use.
Yes, you can use tap no problem. BUT you have a choice: RO hassle or tap's impurities. To get the kind of natural and organic purity that bubbleheads usually like to claim over solvent extracts(like above), you cant be using water with chlorine and all sorts of heavy metals in it. I have no issues with using tap personally, and did it for most of my runs. But that's a dirtier extract than using a solvent that you can completely evaporate off.
Also, I do have a RO setup, but that doesn't mean I feel like making that much ice with it. My freezer can barely fit what I have in it as is, last thing I need is 20lbs of ice constantly rotating through. Freezing that much water all the time isn't friendly on the electric bill either. Buying isn't practical for the same reasons, I'm not interested in filling coolers ice I had to spend money on. That alone costs as much as a wash of iso.
I disagree about using cheap bags, I picked up a 4 bag set(220, 120, 73, 25) for $45 and stitching was ripping after maybe 20 uses..The screen started coming right off the bag on the 73. I may have just gotten a lemon batch, but very few experienced IWE guys recommend cheaper bags as well.
FWIW, I feel like I've resorted to defending iso and bashing iwe and that's not my intent. I'm a big fan of good iwe. I just think that for the back-end, iso makes way more sense to make. And on the front end, it produces equal, better, or damn close results. To the point that I feel confident putting my best iso against some of the best iwe you can find, and you wouldn't be able to tell which is which.
Trousers
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I did say, "properly made bubble hash."
You buy the machine once and the bags last a long time. In the long run it would be cheaper than buying all that iso. The machine can be had for about $125 and the bags can be had for about $40. I have been paid back 50x over for those expenses.
RO is not a hassle. I have one for growing. It cost $90 and will work for over 5,000 gallons before I have to change a filter. Tap water is still cleaner than ISO. It is tough to get rid of 100% of the iso.
It is not that much extra work or money for much better quality.
It is a little more work for much better quality. That is normal.
I have been using a $35 set for over 3 years. I'm not running pounds, i am running small batches, like most people would. If you stir in the bag and squeeze it you get lower quality and hurt your bags. ISO has to be bought every time.
Au contraire, mon frere. There is no way I would mistake bubble and iso, if they were both properly made.
Bubble is slightly stronger, looks different, has a different consistency, smells better, tastes way better...
A friend with a dispensary used to make iso for the reasons you mentioned, but switched to dry ice because it is easier.
My bubble smells very floral. (It didn't hurt the last batch was from double blueberry)
I am not against iso either, if it is properly made.
Speaking of which, it is much more likely that someone would screw up iso than bubbble. If you screw up bubble, you just get more and a lower quality. If you screw up iso you could die.
Most people do not have to worry about producing mass quantities of hash.
I think it is worth the slight amount of extra work for the much better quality.
The cost does not matter to me. Paying a tiny bit more or working a little bit more for much better quality is not a big deal for me.
I'll drink a Pliny The Elder and leave a Natty light for you. Cool?
(I'll take great iso over average bubble any day, but my bubble is the bomb. I'm not into weed and hash for money. I grow and make my own hash because I like top shelf quality. There is no reason for me to sacrifice quality for a few pennies and saved minutes.)
I hope I have not come off as a jerk. I bet we would both really enjoy each other's hash.
mike91sr
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Lets just call the cost even for simplicity. I actually thought machines ran in the 4-500 range because when I first looked, that's what I was looking at so the numbers kind of stuck. Regardless, cost of machines and bags will be well over the cost of 30gal of iso. If it all lasts forever, yes you'll come out on top. But thats alot of hash to not expect problems from cheap bags and machines, at least in my experience. Either way, we'll both make way more back for the expenses of each method, which is why I say lets call it close enough to be a moot point.
I've still found iso to be MUCH less hassle and work though, and to me time is money.
I have a setup for growing too, so having the RO isn't a hassle, I was saying that making and storing RO ice is a hassle. Filling trays every day for a week in preparation, and having to completely fill my freezer with ice is a hassle to me. It was annoying when I was doing it every 10-12 weeks, but I do it every 1-2 now so it definitely becomes a bigger deal.
Also, maybe your tap water is cleaner than iso, but average tap water has worse impurities than ISO. The 100-200ppm in most tap is far worse than the 1% 'impurity' of ISO. Most of that 1% is water anyway. And average tap aside, mine is about 350ppm and cant be used to water my soil plants. No way I'm using that to try a pure extraction, not when I can use something much safer that does evaporate off. That leads us back to RO being too much of a hassle for me.
You and I had very different experiences with cheap bags. I didn't stir or squeeze or abuse my bags. Surprisingly, its my work bag that has survived the best.
I'll agree that good bubble smells more floral than iso but that doesn't mean good iso cant and doesnt smell great, and I stand by the fact that you wouldn't be able to pick my iso out from the majority of bubble going around the dispensaries in socal. I've gotten my consistency to match that of typical bubble too, since that's what most clubs are interested in. Like I said, I label correctly but clubs just call it full melt bubble anyway. Snobby patients in LA and OC don't seem to mind or notice.
I addressed this even after saying I shouldnt have to, if someone screws up iso IMO they're an idiot that shouldnt be playing with chemicals from under the counter. What is there to screw up? 1. starting a fire 2. not evaporating all the iso off before smoking. I can fix both very easily: 1. dont use heat 2. Wait until it doesnt smell like iso
The cost isn't as much difference to me as the work. 30 minutes stirring and draining each run, or 30 seconds shaking it. Thats not a little bit if you ask me, its 60x the amount of work.
Get that shit outta here, I havent had to drink a Nasty or milwaukees beast in a while, I'll take a good hef pleaseI'll drink a Pliny The Elder and leave a Natty light for you. Cool?
Not coming off as a jerk to me, just convicted. I'm pretty blunt
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about my opinions so I dont take it hard when others are as well. I just like being able to disagree without flaming, pretty uncommon around here, even when talking something less opinionated and more fact-based than this. People just get offended when they get told they're wrong, and usually go on the attack. (general statement, not saying youre wrong)I'm also not trying to have a pissing contest about whether my iso is better than your iwe, Im comparing mine to the fairly large variety I've come across. And plenty of it was at some high-end shops, so I consider that to be the 'standard' in my area. If your bubble turns out better than my iso, youre one of the few. But like I've said, the very small difference in quality potential(which I can't reach anyway) isn't worth the extra time and money to me. And fwiw, I'm not in this for the money either and I make VERY little compared to what I could. I started growing for myself and loved it too much to not just keep expanding. Gardening (both weed and other things) has become one of the most therapeutic things I do, something I definitely need.
boedhaspeaks
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I mix the oil/hash with kieff till is chewinggum like. I only use buthane for extraction and not Iso. Not recommended indoors > explosion dangers.