Is This Why Americans Have Lost The Drive To "Earn" More?

NoDrama said:
The net effect would be the same. You don't think the $80 BILLION spent on the food programs each year isn't the same as a giant subsidy? Where do you think food comes from? Garage mechanics and office workers?

Perhaps you can make a go of farming over 1300 acres? You got tractors and harvesters and the know-how right? Plus storage facilities and employees right? You DO have all of that right? If not, then you are fucked and might as well starve to death for as much good as you will be in feeding people.
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we'll be starting off with less acreage and decide later if we want to go to large scale farming.
 
NoDrama said:
Translation: You are right, we are fucked.
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what do you mean by 'we are fucked'?

you don't need 1300 acres to make a living with a farm. i could turn 5-8 acres into a fair living given the right conditions and enough time, plenty of people around here do.
 
UncleBuck said:
what do you mean by 'we are fucked'?

you don't need 1300 acres to make a living with a farm. i could turn 5-8 acres into a fair living given the right conditions and enough time, plenty of people around here do.
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This isn't about you feeding yourself, this is about a farm providing food for thousands of people to live off of. How many people can you support with your resources? Yourself? Exactly what I thought.
 
NoDrama said:
This isn't about you feeding yourself, this is about a farm providing food for thousands of people to live off of. How many people can you support with your resources? Yourself? Exactly what I thought.
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well technically, a 5-8 acre farm like mine would provide for myself by providing to others at farmers markets and whatnot. i don't disagree that you would need a good acreage, some investment in capital (tractors), some GMO crops, and a government subsidy to make it at the industrial farming scale.
 
UncleBuck said:
what do you mean by 'we are fucked'?

you don't need 1300 acres to make a living with a farm. i could turn 5-8 acres into a fair living given the right conditions and enough time, plenty of people around here do.
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He thinks UncleBuck's gay farm would have a bunch of guys running around in chaps with no underwear.

Don't bend over to pick up anything!
Farmer Buck is watching.
 
Here's an idea, why don't you quit posting total crap and start removing all the fucking spam threads popping up! You know, your job!
 
UncleBuck said:
what do you mean by 'we are fucked'?

you don't need 1300 acres to make a living with a farm. i could turn 5-8 acres into a fair living given the right conditions and enough time, plenty of people around here do.
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shit during spring - fall , I have all the veggies I can eat with less then a quarter acre
 
UncleBuck said:
well technically, a 5-8 acre farm like mine would provide for myself by providing to others at farmers markets and whatnot. i don't disagree that you would need a good acreage, some investment in capital (tractors), some GMO crops, and a government subsidy to make it at the industrial farming scale.
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Where do you get NON-GMO plants lol. Everything you buy is GMO unless you have some secret Indian buddy with a connection to some real heirlooms
 
UncleBuck said:
well technically, a 5-8 acre farm like mine would provide for myself by providing to others at farmers markets and whatnot. i don't disagree that you would need a good acreage, some investment in capital (tractors), some GMO crops, and a government subsidy to make it at the industrial farming scale.
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Exactly, know why there are hardly any small farms left? Because the government has regulated so many things that I have to hire someone to do all the paperwork. Can you afford $20,000 a year to have someone do all the paperwork if you sell at a farmers market all the produce from your 8 acres? If you sell at farmers markets there are a lot more regulations you come under. Don't be surprised if a food inspector comes and sees you have bagged the lettuce. That means it has been processed and unless you have the proper permit to sell processed food you will have to throw it all out. They will make you throw it away right then and there and then pour bleach all over it so it cannot be used ever. I see that shit all the time in this occupation. Small farms cannot exist unless the person who farms has a normal 9-5 job in town. Like the fella that wanted to sell free range chicken, the inspector comes out and tells him the ground is too dirty to get a permit. WTF? The dirt is too dirty? LOL gotta love regulations huh?
 
Living off a small plot of land is do-able. It takes alot of work and the willingness to take some odd measures such as raising rabbits in your basement for meat, but there are books and blogs on the subject of homesteading on small 1/4-5-10 acre plots of land.


just search amazon.
 
NoDrama said:
Exactly, know why there are hardly any small farms left? Because the government has regulated so many things that I have to hire someone to do all the paperwork. Can you afford $20,000 a year to have someone do all the paperwork if you sell at a farmers market all the produce from your 8 acres? If you sell at farmers markets there are a lot more regulations you come under. Don't be surprised if a food inspector comes and sees you have bagged the lettuce. That means it has been processed and unless you have the proper permit to sell processed food you will have to throw it all out. They will make you throw it away right then and there and then pour bleach all over it so it cannot be used ever. I see that shit all the time in this occupation. Small farms cannot exist unless the person who farms has a normal 9-5 job in town. Like the fella that wanted to sell free range chicken, the inspector comes out and tells him the ground is too dirty to get a permit. WTF? The dirt is too dirty? LOL gotta love regulations huh?
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you also predicted the end of farmer markets around this time a year or two ago, so i'll take this with a heaping helping of salt.
 
UncleBuck said:
you also predicted the end of farmer markets around this time a year or two ago, so i'll take this with a heaping helping of salt.
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I did no such thing, You claimed I have said such, now prove it or otherwise be known as someone who cannot back up anything he says and loses every argument in which he participates.
 
NoDrama said:
I did no such thing, You claimed I have said such, now prove it or otherwise be known as someone who cannot back up anything he says and loses every argument in which he participates.
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you not only claimed that farmers markets would be a thing of the past, you also claimed that it was the first step in a complete corporate takeover of the food supply. you sounded worried at the time, too. little did we know that you are the corporate takeover of the food supply.

chances are you're not winning any debates if you have to assert that the other guy lost.
 
UncleBuck said:
you not only claimed that farmers markets would be a thing of the past, you also claimed that it was the first step in a complete corporate takeover of the food supply. you sounded worried at the time, too. little did we know that you are the corporate takeover of the food supply.

chances are you're not winning any debates if you have to assert that the other guy lost.
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You got proof? Any shred of evidence? Find that post and put it up. The one where I say Farmers markets would be long gone by now. I am sure the search function works. Any excuse to not find it will be construed as absolute defeat on your part.

Is this like the PM you sent me where you promise not to argue with me as long as i stay on your side?
 
NoDrama said:
You got proof? Any shred of evidence? Find that post and put it up. The one where I say Farmers markets would be long gone by now. I am sure the search function works. Any excuse to not find it will be construed as absolute defeat on your part.

Is this like the PM you sent me where you promise not to argue with me as long as i stay on your side?
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i just started browsing the thread. i'll find the farmer's market conspiracy nonsense if i keep reading, i'm sure.

NoDrama said:
This is the first step to complete corporate takeover of the food supply.
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i shouldn't have skipped over the first post.

NoDrama said:
This will be voted on by the Senate after Turkey Day, It has already passed cloture. The Dept Of Homeland Security will now be in charge of ALL food and farms/home gardens. You will be allowed to eat what you grow but you will not be allowed to give or sell anything you grow. No more farmers markets unless you have applied for license and payed the fees and taxes. A terrible bill if there ever was one.
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you say as much here.

NoDrama said:
Once they decide on the proper "Control" you can be sure it will not be feasible for the little farmer to comply and he will have to sell his land and go out of business.
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none of your predictions have come true nor will come true. you are just chicken little'ing it up.
 
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