Is real sour diesel still clone only?
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Jogro
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I'm not "confusing" anything, and with due respect, it seems plain that either you haven't read what I've written, or you don't understand it. Please stop misquoting me.
Here it is again for the third time:
-There is more than one thing CALLED "sour" for sale in NYC. (IE with more than one thing out there some of it is clearly NOT "the original", though it may be related).
-At least some of this stuff CALLED "sour" is being imported into NYC from California.
I know this is true, because I've seen it with my own eyes. No, I can't tell you exactly who is growing this (nor would I, even if I could), but its happening as recently as last year.
As to genetics, I have no idea what the actual genetics are of the California "sour" is. Maybe its not "the original" ECSD, and you're probably right that it isn't. But since I NEVER SAID IT WAS, and in fact implied strongly (and explicitly above) that it probably WAS NOT, I'm not exactly sure why you're jumping up and down about this.
Even if I wanted to know the truth about this (which again, I don't) I'm not in a position to ask, and even if I did ask, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get the right answer. The guy in question was a "mover" not a "geneticist". Capiche?
in GENERAL, the fact that sour diesel is not widely commercially available in CA *does not* by itself mean its not grown there. Its a VERY big State, there are a LOT of growers in the State, and a lot of different strains are held and grown there by different people for different reasons/markets. I would be pretty surprised if the REAL sour diesel were NOT grown in CA by somebody, even if none of it makes it to market.
Get it now?
As to CO, the only thing I said about weed being imported into NYC from CO is that I have no idea if its happening or not. Perhaps your short term memory is impaired for some reason
, so let me refresh it for you:I can tell you for sure that there is stuff on dispensary shelves in CO and MI CALLED "sour diesel". Obviously I can't tell you the genetic origins of those buds, nor whether or not any of them make it to NYC for commercial sale.
PJ Diaz
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Sour D not widely available in Cali? Tell that to WeedMaps, who tracks most of the dispensaries in Cali for their "Top 25 Strains Sold" listings. Most of the numbers for these come out of Cali, and hey look -- Sour D is #2:
Jogro
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Yeah, but its not "the real" sour diesel (whatever the hell that is).
A good rule of thumb is whatever the person in front of you is trying to sell you is "the real sour diesel"; everything ELSE is just a pale copy!
Seriously, there are probably more different cannabis strains being grown in CA right now than anywhere else on the planet. Given its massive popularity, especially on the East Coast, it would be astounding if you could NOT at least find some there for sale somewhere, even if only catering to East Coast expatriates.
Oh. . .here's a post from another concurrently open thread on sour diesel from a guy in NYC, confirming what I posted above about there being more than one thing CALLED "sour" in NYC:
Damn that bio d sounds so good, great genetics!
just like with SD clones they sell ....sure its SD... its just not the stores pheno Fresh 2 De@th
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no it's not widely grown in Cali, i think you better go check the threads at the farm and icmag to confirm what i posted. a lot of diesel that's widely available, there, have been knock offs or original D passed off as Sour D (once again, check the real Sour D threads on icmag and thcfarmer).
also, there are 3 moms in NY (once again, check the farm for confirmation) of the original crew that started the sour D, so why would there be a major import of "sour d" from Cali or Colo? doesn't make sense to a native NYer, especially to the ones that are very fond of real sour d.
also, Cali Sour is not the Sour D. maybe do some research instead of putting up a thesis about what you think you know as oppose to what you actually know (Jorgo).
one thing that i do know, is that some people do get their buds shipped from the two states mentioned, and only reason for doing so, is for the price.
aknight3
Moderator
the original sour d is clone only, RP and cali conn only took the original sour d and either use CS to feminize or something like that, selfing. that what rezdog was known for, his selfed sour d, i heard there are good ones but nothing compares to the original, which is usually true...
Jogro
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How could anyone possibly know how many sour diesel moms there are in NY? This "crew" has spies in every grow room and field in the State of NY, AND they post about this on "the farm"?
NYC is the biggest city in the USA with a population close to 8 million, and you can more than double that for the NY metro area. That makes the NYC area bigger in population than the entire countries of Greece, Holland, or Belgium.
NYC is also by FAR the biggest cannabis market on the East Coast and if not the absolute biggest market in the country, one of them. There are literally thousands of dealers selling pounds of the stuff sourced from inside the city, upstate NY, up and down the East Coast, Mexico, and even Canada.
So forgive me, but there is no way that just "three moms" are supplying all the so called "sour" in NYC. It ain't happening. There is also no possible way for myself, yourself, anyone on "the farm" "international cannagraphic", rollitup.com, the NYPD, or anyone else to know exactly where all the weed sold in NYC is coming from, let alone its genetic origins.
I'll also submit to you that if only some fraction of the weed sold in NYC is "the real sour diesel", then almost by definition, many if not most NYC smokers know something ELSE as SD, and therefore to at least a plurality of NYC smokers, the "real" SD isn't the clone only line! (Don't flame. . .just think about this for a minute).
I never actually said that, but I see what's going on here.
I insulted your regional pride by suggesting that some fraction of the weed sold as the famous NY/East Coast "sour" actually comes from rival West Coast CA.
OK, forget it. You're right. I *don't* know what I'm talking about.
I'm totally clueless. I *didn't* see a dealer open up a gigantic vacuum packed bundle he called "sour" postmarked from CA right in front of my eyes, and he DIDN'T tell me he gets his regular supply from CA. He was lying and I was hallucinating. Or I was lying, and he was hallucinating. The whole thing was an elaborate ruse, staged purely for my benefit. Actually, I just made this up to tweak you.
This guy (who makes his living hustling) also posts regularly about where he gets his supply on "IC mag". He loves to talk about his connections, particularly with strangers on the internet. He DOESN'T call his s@%t "sour". Etc.
Sorry, what exactly is this "thesis" that I "think" I know that I don't?
That some or most of the so-called SD sold in NYC, CA, and other places isn't from the clone only line? Because I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what I've been saying again and again in the last three posts. . .
The imaginary dealer that I hallucinated told me (in a dream) that he gets his supply from CA because its an old connection and its reliable. He buys in bulk, the price is good, they have regular product, and when he needs it they deliver. He could source it elsewhere, but its a working business relationship. But feel free to disregard this thesis, because obviously there is ZERO bud being shipped into NYC from the West Coast, and I don't know what I'm talking about.
OK all I can say about what I know to be the "real sour diesel" is this: Jogro knows what hes talking about.
Without getting into too many details, I had a friend of a friend approach me to buy 24 clones of sour D. I told him I was flattered but I dont have it like that. For him to ask me about it shows its held pretty widely. Regular smoker friends bring what they think is Sour Diesel to my place all the time. I tell them it smells nice and has a good punch but its not the Real Sour. Its usually darker and has a more indica stone. It smells close but it looks way different.
This is what Im seeing passed as sour d more and more around here:
This is what I remember my friend selling for years before something happened to his connect's connect.
The lighter colored Sour D is still around from delivery and other sources but Im having trouble consistently sourcing it. I think this is the clone only and I think a couple of peoples mothers have passed closing some outlets. This bud is pretty consistent in smell, effect, and appearance. This is usually more expensive than the darker bud in the first pic.
The darker bud above I think is grown from seed and constantly changes quality and appearance.
Just my experience.
Without getting into too many details, I had a friend of a friend approach me to buy 24 clones of sour D. I told him I was flattered but I dont have it like that. For him to ask me about it shows its held pretty widely. Regular smoker friends bring what they think is Sour Diesel to my place all the time. I tell them it smells nice and has a good punch but its not the Real Sour. Its usually darker and has a more indica stone. It smells close but it looks way different.
This is what Im seeing passed as sour d more and more around here:
This is what I remember my friend selling for years before something happened to his connect's connect.
The lighter colored Sour D is still around from delivery and other sources but Im having trouble consistently sourcing it. I think this is the clone only and I think a couple of peoples mothers have passed closing some outlets. This bud is pretty consistent in smell, effect, and appearance. This is usually more expensive than the darker bud in the first pic.
The darker bud above I think is grown from seed and constantly changes quality and appearance.
Just my experience.
Bxgrower81
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Sour is everywhere,whether it's truly sour d or not
The bottom one resembles the sour d i've always seen out here in the west coast.
PJ Diaz
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Oh, sorry I guess I was confused. You're right. There's no possible way the clone of real sour diesel could have possibly made it all the way out here to Cali. It's so very very far away.
Just think if it had though.. Many dispensaries (that's a place you can legally walk into and buy weed at here on the west coast) would stand to make a fortune selling an elite clone like SD. In fact there's one just a few miles away that does just that sort of thing. They sell elite clones like Blue Dream, Chem 91, Girl Scout Cookies, and (gasp..) sour diesel. It must be fake! I can't believe they stay in business selling fake shit like that. I'm pissed! That's so unfair! I guess they must just be tricking all the stupid cali growers who don't know shit because they have never made it to that far far away place called New York to try the REAL sour diesel (you know they only have the real one in NY, right?).
The part I am so confused about though is how all these stupid cali growers are getting the wool pulled over their head and get tricked into growing FAKE sour diesel, when Cali is supposed to be some weed mecca. It's all so confusing, but I guess it's really simple. Cali growers are stupid and NY growers are smart. Glad I figured it all out now. Thanks!
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wyteberrywidow
Global
its nothing about whose stupid or whatever. Truth is real sour diesel is out here and no its not here by being imported its here because growers have these elite clones on lock.
What's out on the west is sour but could be something totally different. I know swerve was one of the guys on the west that has the aj cut so the real sour could be out in cali but to say that n.y. sour is imported from cali is a flat out lie when I know for a fact people out here have moms of the real diesel.
PJ Diaz
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I don't think anything I said contradicts what you said either, except that surely at least some legit SD prolly flows to both coasts from both directions. To say anything less is just silly.
How many grow rooms do you think this elite clone is "on lock" at anyway?
wyteberrywidow
Global
I know a couple people out here who have it. A breeder has it and had it since it was made in nyc and sour came on the scene. He knows the whole history behind it and the actual accidental breeder behind it.
Fresh 2 De@th
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haha, you 2 are too funny and also think that because you put lengthy sentences and paragraphs together that you'll are right.
google the real sour d and who has it and i'll bet you will come up with a bunch of fakes or people talking about original diesel. as a matter of fact, they have a thread at the farm, with a lot of major figures in the marijuana scene, that have clearly stated "that the real sour d isn't out there no where near as much as people think". look how many breeders claim/thought to have had it (ie cannaventure, connoisseur genetics, rd and a couple more i can't think of atm) only to find out, not only wasn't it not the actual sour d but also how rare and hard it is to come by the real deal sour d clone. so i guess you 2 know more than these guys huh?
the fact of the matter, the shit started in NY, there's a thread on the farm, with Chem Dawg, Chem Father, JJ Nyce and a couple dudes from the Albany Crew that explains it all, and it's in contrast to what you 2 are saying. i guess they're lying too, because it doesn't fall in the same story line you 2 are trying to mislead people into believing.
so to answer some of your questions and dry humor (sarcasm), i am totally saying that you dudes are not smoking the real deal sour d especially at the rate that you guys are talking about. also, if you do enough searching around, you will see a big difference in what people have paid for the real deal sour d buds as oppose to the dispensary prices that you 2 are paying.
Fresh look at the pictures. Im not a big time grower or have those kinds of connects. Im the end consumer with a boy who used to sling. When SD first came out my boys house was packed with it for about 5 years. It was everywhere and easily available. Something happened and then these fake half ass SDs started to show up. There are some delivery services who must still hold a clone because their flow has been uninterrupted. Its out here and available to those with money and connections. The price has gone up and its a little more scarce but the real deal is still around. Ill post a pic later of some close but no cigar "SD" buds I got yesterday. Decent effect and taste but smell and appearance dont match.
Fresh 2 De@th
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hey Bundee, i never said it isn't out there, but it's not out there as much as you guys think. there's plenty of talk about it at other forums and the big dogs have clearly stated this on many occasions. til this day, CannaV, Baba G, Connoisseur and others who believed they had it actually never had it and has admitted so. there's on going threads on the farm, cannacollective and icmag that supports what i say.
trust me, if that shit was out there like you guys claim, everyone would be using that shit in their x's. as a matter of fact, i was just reading something not to long ago about how a bunch of b.s. sour d in colorado, so i know for a fact that it's not available in colorado the way the other 2 lames try to make it seem like it is. also, cali sour is not sour d and if the sour d was widely available out there, why would you have to name a strain (that's so widely available) cali sour? common sense tells me , that it's not.
you will find post like this all over the net from people in the colorado and cali med scene. i'll post up many more if need be.
trust me, if that shit was out there like you guys claim, everyone would be using that shit in their x's. as a matter of fact, i was just reading something not to long ago about how a bunch of b.s. sour d in colorado, so i know for a fact that it's not available in colorado the way the other 2 lames try to make it seem like it is. also, cali sour is not sour d and if the sour d was widely available out there, why would you have to name a strain (that's so widely available) cali sour? common sense tells me , that it's not.
you will find post like this all over the net from people in the colorado and cali med scene. i'll post up many more if need be.