Is Biden really that bad?

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Roger A. Shrubber

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Biden's fact check record isn't great. He's made more false/mostly false statements than he has true/mostly true ones.

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and most of them are optimistic oversights....he isn't lying to protect a fucked up agenda like republicans, he isn't lying at all...he has an optimistic outlook, and speaks off the cuff occasionally, and makes errors, which he will admit if they're pointed out.
there's a big difference between that and lying to the entire country to protect your secret cabal that wants to kill democracy and install fascism
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The hell it don't. Biden is about to windfall tax the oil companies for their "record profits" but there's no buyer for this one. First clue.

Why would anyone invest in a refinery when admin is waging war on hydrocarbons. Takes 10 years to see a return on a refinery.
you keep saying that, and i've yet to see one bit of proof of any war against the oil companies...they make obscene profits, and since they have a monopoly, no one can say shit about it...till now. this isn't war against the oil companies, it's defending the American people against the oil companies.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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@Grandpapy

The year is 2022 while in Florida for Charlie Crist:

“I’m a big fan of HBCUs. I got my start at one of those other HBCUs, Delaware State University,” Biden told a cheering crowd.

Can't wait for the fact check:bigjoint:
that's not what he said...that's another republican distortion...they know no shame, and will lie about anything, anywhere, at any time.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-joe-biden-delaware-state-un/fact-check-joe-biden-did-not-say-he-attended-delaware-state-university-idUSKBN26L2RD
if i have a choice of believing you, or believing Reuters, you fucking lose
of course, if it's a choice between you and tommy flanagan, you still lose40pahfQh.jpg
 

hanimmal

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That was planned but it's closing instead. No buyers. Record profits and no buyers?

Belle Chasse 12/21
Covenant 1/21

84 refineries have closed in the last 30 years and I can't find one new one in the last 50.

*iirc the population is about double in as much time.
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Typical right wing propagandist lying. Biden said it best.




What do you think the ratio is, 2:1?

In fact, I'm not obfuscating it at all. My only point, was that you can not tacitly dismiss information simply based upon association, yet you seem to do it as one on your standard defense mechanisms quite regularly. If anything you are contorting that point, in an effort to shine the light away from it and onto something which keeps you on the offense. This isn't ping pong however. At some point you have to catch the ball and own it.
More like 7:1, at least it was with the email spam. Im sure once you get to the actual speeches/propaganda network it skyrockets.
 

PJ Diaz

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and most of them are optimistic oversights....he isn't lying to protect a fucked up agenda like republicans, he isn't lying at all...he has an optimistic outlook, and speaks off the cuff occasionally, and makes errors, which he will admit if they're pointed out.
there's a big difference between that and lying to the entire country to protect your secret cabal that wants to kill democracy and install fascism
So when he said "you won't get covid if you take these vaccines", that was just him being overly optimistic? Weird, I would assume that he was better informed before he went out to speak on an issue. How does one make such an assertion without being informed? Even an idiot like me knew since 2020 that the covid vaccines did not prevent infection. It really makes it seem like he was intentionally lying to suit an agenda of mass vaccination. Now, you might argue that it was a lie for good purpose (which is quite debatable), but that doesn't make it any less of a lie. "Honey I lied to you for your own good".
 

hanimmal

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So when he said "you won't get covid if you take these vaccines", that was just him being overly optimistic? Weird, I would assume that he was better informed before he went out to speak on an issue. How does one make such an assertion without being informed? Even an idiot like me knew since 2020 that the covid vaccines did not prevent infection. It really makes it seem like he was intentionally lying to suit an agenda of mass vaccination. Now, you might argue that it was a lie for good purpose (which is quite debatable), but that doesn't make it any less of a lie. "Honey I lied to you for your own good".
Did you listen to the full speech around it and are cherry picking something that suits your anti-vaccine narrative? Because I call bullshit on people going out day after day trying like hell to get people to wake up from the death cult trolling and maybe saying something that was not quite right (especially because they are not the actual (non-quack) scientists/doctors you should have listened to in the first place) and that some cherry picked moment that has changed so many times (mutations in the virus) that it no longer makes sense to call back to outside of trying to troll Biden.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Yer dealing with civil warriors and believers in spin, half-truths of convenience or outright lies repeated endlessly, they won't be corrected by facts either, they can be ignored. They have a larger cause than reason or common sense can mitigate, Trump, J6, domestic terrorism, voter suppression and election denial should be enough to write off the republicans from dog catcher to senator. In politics guilt by association counts, in court not so much, so does common fucking sense, they are associating with and tolerating the scum of the earth in their ranks and are led by a fucking psychopathic traitor who also happens to be a moron and obvious POS. They are easy prey for any con artists who can blow the right tune on the ole dog whistle and will fuck themselves, and you too, for their fuzzyheaded "cause".
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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So when he said "you won't get covid if you take these vaccines", that was just him being overly optimistic? Weird, I would assume that he was better informed before he went out to speak on an issue. How does one make such an assertion without being informed? Even an idiot like me knew since 2020 that the covid vaccines did not prevent infection. It really makes it seem like he was intentionally lying to suit an agenda of mass vaccination. Now, you might argue that it was a lie for good purpose (which is quite debatable), but that doesn't make it any less of a lie. "Honey I lied to you for your own good".
you got me, Joe can't tell the fucking truth to save his life...it didn't rain at his inauguration. the corona virus IS equivalent to the flu, the pandemic was totally under control, he DID not alter a map of a hurricane with a sharpie, the head of the boy scouts did call him to say that his bizarre rant of a speech was the greatest speech ever given, he didn't lie about representative Omar being a terrorist, he didn't lie about the US/China trade deficit, exaggerating it by over 100 billion dollars he didn't lie to reporters about paying off a whore, he didn't say that windmill noises cause cancer.....
oh, wait...that was all shit that trump DID do...
since you seemed to want to put things into perspective...seems like an occasional fib from Joe might not be so bad, especially since most of them are unintentional, and the few that might be intentional are not made vindictively.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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that's not what he said...that's another republican distortion...they know no shame, and will lie about anything, anywhere, at any time.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-joe-biden-delaware-state-un/fact-check-joe-biden-did-not-say-he-attended-delaware-state-university-idUSKBN26L2RD
if i have a choice of believing you, or believing Reuters, you fucking lose
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I said in FL while campaigning for Crist right? Then you link an article from 2020 right?

Pretty desperate right?

Big fat liar right?

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sunni

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oi folks.
rules please. no name calling, just straight up back and forth arguing over how people ask questions etc its derailing every threadby 2people constantly.

You are allowed to debate just within the tos
 

PJ Diaz

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I said in FL while campaigning for Crist right? Then you link an article from 2020 right?

Pretty desperate right?

Big fat liar right?

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The fact checkers will spin this to say that Biden never said that he "attended" Delaware State, but that when he said that "I got my start at one of those of those other HBCU's, Delaware State University", he was really referring to the support they gave him for his Senate bid in 1972. That's some real spin right there.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The fact checkers will spin this to say that Biden never said that he "attended" Delaware State, but that when he said that "I got my start at one of those of those other HBCU's, Delaware State University", he was really referring to the support they gave him for his Senate bid in 1972. That's some real spin right there.
he said he got his start in politics at DSU...he did not say he ever attended DSU..that was the gist of the speech, it was never about where he attended school. if a lot of people want to look at it like a lie, then it's their problem for taking the man out of context.
here is the speech in question...the remark in question is at 28:55...listen to it. he never once implies that he attended that school, and from the context of the speech, it's clear what he means. none of the black people in the audience had a negative reaction...they surely would have if he had been making some sort of outrageous claim.
 

Fogdog

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So when he said "you won't get covid if you take these vaccines", that was just him being overly optimistic? Weird, I would assume that he was better informed before he went out to speak on an issue. How does one make such an assertion without being informed? Even an idiot like me knew since 2020 that the covid vaccines did not prevent infection. It really makes it seem like he was intentionally lying to suit an agenda of mass vaccination. Now, you might argue that it was a lie for good purpose (which is quite debatable), but that doesn't make it any less of a lie. "Honey I lied to you for your own good".
The rates of acute covid are much, much lower for people who get vaccinated compared to those who aren't.

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Biden did incorrectly say "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."

Later on, he walked it back: During the same public appearance, Biden also stated, accurately, that vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus than unvaccinated people and, if they do catch it, are less likely to get sick.

Is this your entire bone to pick? People who took Biden's advice got the benefit. Fewer died, fewer got sick. Those who didn't get vaccinated died or were severely debilitated by the disease at much higher rates. The benefits of vaccination swamp many tens of multiples the downside of getting vaccinated. Seems you are gnawing on a bone with nothing on it.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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No. He said "I got my start at one of those of those other HBCU's, Delaware State University". You inserted the "in politics" verbiage disingenuously. Go back and listen to his words.
i didn't quote his entire statement...i got his meaning clearly, with no effort..as it appears his entire audience did...if republicans can't understand what the man meant when everyone else seems to have no problem, then i would look to the republicans as the ones who have the problem. this is stupid niggling nitpicking...you just sat through 4 years of a fuckface bastard who couldn't tell the truth to saint peter to save his fucking soul, and you're calling Joe a liar over shit like this? seriously?...just know that i am not taking this seriously,
it's ridiculous.
 

PJ Diaz

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:dunce: :oops: oops, my bad
Um so, first of all you posted a different speech that the one we are discussing. The one that is current was posted here:

Secondly I did listen to what you posted, and he didn't refer to politics at all, again you inserted it. What he said in that video was "I got started out of an HBCU, Delaware State".

i didn't quote his entire statement...i got his meaning clearly, with no effort..as it appears his entire audience did...
The audience likely didn't know where he went to school, and assumed that he knew himself where he went to school. It does really seem like he has Delaware State mixed up with his school, Delaware University. Is it a big deal? Not really, but I do think denialism of the statement is kind of a big deal.
 
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