these plants i grew indoors under 24h untill they were about 12"-18" tall then put them outdoors. they started flowering in a week and half. stretched quite a bit but filled in. ive got them in raised beds growing in sunshine mix #1,homemade compost, and being fed earth juice very lightly they do not like nitrogen very much at all. they are very sensitive to it. i usually use mex bat guano but skipped it with these. they do like phosporus spl? and are budding nicely. they willstart to bud when you put them out under anything but 24h 7 and you can get them quite big this is my first gow of them but ive 4 more that ive learned my lessons and will produce quite a bit more. i believe i can pull 8 ozs of the largest easily and nothing less than 4 on the rest. maybe the pics dont do them justice. but i was sceptical about growing autos i got these and lowryder#2 x ak 47 this year the lrxak are a joke compared to these ill post pics if you want. they are also blooming all 12" of them. cute but a joke i recomend them for kids. but yes grow them indoors untill 12"-18" then put out they will stretch then fill in nicely. the biggest is about 3' and full of bud. i started these late and they are worth the limited effort i put into them. doc sent me 11 seeds to try. you can call him and ask anything he has the best customer service ive ever dealt with in 18 years of growing. not all 18 i was buying seeds mind you but ive dealt with mark emery,heavens stairway,legends,seeds direct(bullshit),seedbotique(also bullshit owned by same guy),attitude,and hemp depot.and the doc. they have always sent seeds but doc will give you help over the phone and go the extra mile to help you out. ive seen lots of autos on the net and a few around here with friends and my lrxak47s these take a little longer but are much better. i would go with them you wont be disappointed. sorry to ramble ive got a good buzz and had a good night just got home from seeing bobby and phil from the dead. if you need more info id be glad to help.