Intelligent design
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that sounds like fun if only I can find my ovaries . . . .
misshestermoffitt
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I remember trippin with my bro one time, I took off on this 10 speed that he had down this country road and on the way back he came crashing out of this corn field at me swinging these stalks of corn around with both hands. he ended up whacking me in the ankle and making me wreck. 
That was just the beginning of the trip, ended up being one crazy night...... good times.....
That was just the beginning of the trip, ended up being one crazy night...... good times.....
Jointsmith
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That is basically what I mean. In the UK we get taugh RE (Religious Education) in secondary school. (Age 11 - 16) in which we learn about all the world religions. You're education system could probably benefit from it, no offence but there do seem to be a lot of ignorant dumb fucks in the US.
misshestermoffitt
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What does religion or lack there of have to do with being ignorant?
ignorant definition
ig·no·rant (ig′nə rənt)
adjective
ignorant definition
ig·no·rant (ig′nə rənt)
adjective
- having little knowledge, education, or experience; uneducated; inexperienced
- caused by or showing lack of knowledge or education
- unaware (of)
NewGrowth
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I agree but we are a little too "PC" here in the good ol' USA
People would flip out if we taught kids simple religious history. I attended a catholic private school for two years. I had to take a religion class, I chose world religions. It really does open your mind to learn about religion the world over. Kind shows the true colors of these destructive institutions.Not all americans are ignorant, just like not all brits are educated.
natrone23
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What do the brits call them......."chavs"Not all americans are ignorant, just like not all brits are educated.
Jointsmith
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Well not knowing about world religions by your very definition is a lack of knowledge.
Duh, are you high? or just don't really understand what I'm saying?
Jointsmith
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Ha ha yeah thats is CHAV = Council House And Violent
yeah we do have our fair share of Ignorant Fuckers as well.
Would You guys consider making new species of animals via stem stell research ID? I might go as far as saying dog breeding is ID/evolution.
We have the technology to put wings on pigs, clone animals, create "artificial" organs from a single cell and create new species . When pigs fly, huh?
I believe We can use stem cell research to advance Our own genetics and species. Maybe even give Ourselves wings, better vision, more brain power, etc.
So to disreguard the possibility of ID is ignorant in My opinion. Evolution through intelligent design is possible even in Our infancy of technology.
I guess I'm just repeating Myself but no one that disreguards ID seems to be refuting the point. So admit that it is a fact. It is happening right now.
~PEACE~
We have the technology to put wings on pigs, clone animals, create "artificial" organs from a single cell and create new species . When pigs fly, huh?
I believe We can use stem cell research to advance Our own genetics and species. Maybe even give Ourselves wings, better vision, more brain power, etc.
So to disreguard the possibility of ID is ignorant in My opinion. Evolution through intelligent design is possible even in Our infancy of technology.
I guess I'm just repeating Myself but no one that disreguards ID seems to be refuting the point. So admit that it is a fact. It is happening right now.
~PEACE~
misshestermoffitt
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Just because I don't think it should be taught in school doesn't mean I don't know about it. People can learn outside of school. You don't have to be in school in order to read a book. 
With the internet being in everyone's homes, there is no need to teach religion in schools. If kids want a sample of other religions, they can look it up on the web. Duh.........
Are you high or do you not understand that people have an ability to learn when they're not in a room with a teacher?
With the internet being in everyone's homes, there is no need to teach religion in schools. If kids want a sample of other religions, they can look it up on the web. Duh.........
Are you high or do you not understand that people have an ability to learn when they're not in a room with a teacher?
sgr42o
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Wow... that's a great read.
mindphuk
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I'm not sure you are using the definition of ID that is being discussed here. There is no question that man can design and create, but that isn't what ID believers mean.Would You guys consider making new species of animals via stem stell research ID? I might go as far as saying dog breeding is ID/evolution.
We have the technology to put wings on pigs, clone animals, create "artificial" organs from a single cell and create new species . When pigs fly, huh?
I believe We can use stem cell research to advance Our own genetics and species. Maybe even give Ourselves wings, better vision, more brain power, etc.
So to disreguard the possibility of ID is ignorant in My opinion. Evolution through intelligent design is possible even in Our infancy of technology.
I guess I'm just repeating Myself but no one that disreguards ID seems to be refuting the point. So admit that it is a fact. It is happening right now.
~PEACE~
According to the Discovery Institute,
It is merely a modern form of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of a god that avoids specifying the nature or identity of the "designer."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design#cite_note-2 The idea was developed by a group of people in the Creation Science movement that had to reformulated their argument in order to circumvent court rulings that prohibit the teaching of creationism as science.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design#cite_note-kitz21-3
ID appeals to the supernatural which directly conflicts with the principles of science, which limit its inquiries to empirical, observable and testable data and which require explanations to be based on evidence.
I can understand what you are saying but what I'd like you to realize that generally when people are discussing ID, they are referring to special creation of the various lifeforms on Earth. Human or alien design is not supernatural so isn't considered to be part of the ID movement.
mindphuk
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Here's their newest strategy after Kitzmiller v. Dover failed.Wow... that's a great read.
Teach the Controversy
Ironically, one of the architects of this new strategy, Stephen Meyer (a very bright and accomplished Geologist BTW) claims that they don't want to teach ID but 'critical analysis of Evolution'. The ironic part is he is the author of one of Discovery Institute's wedge documents of how to get creationism taught in schools.
sounds like a gun for hire
misshestermoffitt
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This is a scary thought. It's one thing to teach something like evolution when there are fossils, bones and other items in evidence, but to teach ID or creationism with no facts supporting it is crazy.
Show me one piece of factual evidence that says we were placed here just as we are by "supreme beings".
Here's a recent piece of evolotionary proof. here's the highlights with a link to the full article below.
BOULDER, Colo. -- Someone left their tools in a Boulder yard -- 13,000 years ago.
In addition to the camel and horse residue on the artifacts, a third item from the Mahaffy Cache is the first Clovis tool ever to test positive for sheep, and a fourth tested positive for bear.
The Mahaffy Cache consists of 83 stone implements ranging from salad plate-sized, elegantly crafted bifacial knives and a unique tool resembling a double-bitted ax to small blades and flint scraps
the cache was unearthed with a shovel under about 18 inches of soil and was packed tightly into a hole about the size of a large shoebox. It appeared to have been untouched for thousands of years
"It looks like someone gathered together some of their most spectacular tools and other ordinary scraps of potentially useful material and stuck them all into a small hole in the ground, fully expecting to come back at a later date and retrieve them."
One of the tools, a "stunning," oval-shaped bifacial knife that had been sharpened all the way around
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18794396/detail.html
Show me one piece of factual evidence that says we were placed here just as we are by "supreme beings".
Here's a recent piece of evolotionary proof. here's the highlights with a link to the full article below.
BOULDER, Colo. -- Someone left their tools in a Boulder yard -- 13,000 years ago.
In addition to the camel and horse residue on the artifacts, a third item from the Mahaffy Cache is the first Clovis tool ever to test positive for sheep, and a fourth tested positive for bear.
The Mahaffy Cache consists of 83 stone implements ranging from salad plate-sized, elegantly crafted bifacial knives and a unique tool resembling a double-bitted ax to small blades and flint scraps
the cache was unearthed with a shovel under about 18 inches of soil and was packed tightly into a hole about the size of a large shoebox. It appeared to have been untouched for thousands of years
"It looks like someone gathered together some of their most spectacular tools and other ordinary scraps of potentially useful material and stuck them all into a small hole in the ground, fully expecting to come back at a later date and retrieve them."
One of the tools, a "stunning," oval-shaped bifacial knife that had been sharpened all the way around
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18794396/detail.html
sgr42o
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The funny thing is not even the best "thinkers" they've got can think of anything else besides attacking Evolution errr wait... I mean "critically analyzing" it.
I've asked IDer's numerous times to provide evidence supporting ID without attacking Evolution and I've yet to ever get any solid answer. Either they dance around it or they quote bible verses as if it was a credible source. In fact, I've searched various ID websites looking for such evidence and it's always the same thing as well. Perhaps IDer's would be taken more seriously if they worked so hard on providing such evidence rather than spending so much time attacking Evolution. (That is if there is any evidence to share.)
mindphuk
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Critical analysis of scientific theories is a great idea. In fact, it should be questioned and require validation. That is precisely what science is all about. When a new idea is proposed, it gets dissected, scrutinized, tested, argued about, etc.The funny thing is not even the best "thinkers" they've got can think of anything else besides attacking Evolution errr wait... I mean "critically analyzing" it.
I've asked IDer's numerous times to provide evidence supporting ID without attacking Evolution and I've yet to ever get any solid answer. Either they dance around it or they quote bible verses as if it was a credible source. In fact, I've searched various ID websites looking for such evidence and it's always the same thing as well. Perhaps IDer's would be taken more seriously if they worked so hard on providing such evidence rather than spending so much time attacking Evolution. (That is if there is any evidence to share.)
The problem here is that Evolution is being singled out. There is nothing special about ET that warrants any different critical analysis than atomic theory, germ theory, gravity, relativity, quantum mechanics, etc. etc.
The only 'evidence' that ID has is the irreducible complexity (IC), which has been shown to be an empty vacuous idea. Dembski and Behe have not been able to respond to the counterclaims to their idea that certain things are irreducibly complex.
IC has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#cite_note-dover_behe_ruling-4Nonetheless, it continues to be cited as an important argument by creationists, particularly ID proponents. My suspicion is that because of their simplistic models explaining it to lay people, it makes a certain amount of logical sense. However, anyone that is well versed in the scientific method, you only need one counter-example to invalidate a theory and when you study biochemistry and the evolutionary processes that are able to make these IC systems, the counter examples are easy to demonstrate, thereby falsifying this notion of IC.
sgr42o
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I definitely agree. Now that I re-read what I said I realize I came off sounding like you shouldn't question scientific theories. The point I was attempting to make is that in "Teach the controversy" linked above IDer's are attempting to have classes where evolution is "critically analyzed". Obviously these sort of classes would be used purely to teach why evolution is wrong and ID is right. (Which they even admit apparently.)
Jointsmith
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lol, ok moffit, don't get all bitter because I was right.Just because I don't think it should be taught in school doesn't mean I don't know about it. People can learn outside of school. You don't have to be in school in order to read a book.
With the internet being in everyone's homes, there is no need to teach religion in schools. If kids want a sample of other religions, they can look it up on the web. Duh.........
Are you high or do you not understand that people have an ability to learn when they're not in a room with a teacher?
You questioned whether not being taught about something would breed ignorance, and as I said it WOULD, due to a lack of knoweledge (that was YOUR definition moffit).
Yeah Kids, COULD learn about religion online and NOT at school, but the same could be said for History, or Geography, or ANY SUBJECT, so that is a stupid point to make.
But the point of SCHOOL is to get the best education possible. Don't try and limit what young people should learn about due to your own personal prejudices.
I'm not suggesting that kids should be taugh religious ideoligy in school, but most kids in your country can't even point to Iraq or Afganistan on a map let alone understand its inhabitants beliefs and why they tick.