Intelligent design

And I'm not opposed to an elective class being taught on religious theory or history, but ALL religious theories must be represented equally,and not just one.Kinda like mythology.But no one should try to manipulate folks into accepting any religious agendas,and the class should be monitored carefully.Like I said, it would be an elective, and parents could opt their children out.And it's not a preaching session.

Jointsmith said:

I agree, No religious Dogma should be taught as TRUE.

I don't really know how it works in the states, but over here (UK) there isn't really a crossover of the two opposing idea's.

Science gets taught in Science lessons.
The beliefs of the VARIOUS religions is taught in Religious Education.

It isn't that much of an issue in this country, most religious people here still accept ToE (or at least the edivence for it) as true. Then again, we haven't got millions of bible belt religious nut jobs trying to impose their views onto everyone else.

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AGSteve said:

wormholes are indeed theoretically possible and so is time travel but exceeding the speed of light is not. it's all down to manipulating space time which is easy. all mass distorts space time (even you). it however does not alter the speed of light, it just bends it.

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What I meant is that its possible to go from point A to B faster than the speed of light if someone could figure out how to warp drive or create a warmhole.

Get it?

~PEACE~

Stoney McFried said:

And I'm not opposed to an elective class being taught on religious theory or history, but ALL religious theories must be represented equally,and not just one.Kinda like mythology.But no one should try to manipulate folks into accepting any religious agendas,and the class should be monitored carefully.Like I said, it would be an elective, and parents could opt their children out.And it's not a preaching session.

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mine would certainly be opted out.

That's the problem Stoney...ID is not science. It simply doesn't hold itself up to scrutiny.

ID is representative of "political science". It goes right next to
1.) UFO's (extraterrestrial)
2.) Man made global warming (non-sense)
3.) Liberal economics



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We Love 1 said:

What I meant is that its possible to go from point A to B faster than the speed of light if someone could figure out how to warp drive or create a warmhole.

Get it?

~PEACE~

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of course i get it. maybe you could get your warmhole to help you.

Spewing data and understanding data are two different things We Love.

You have some work to do. I hope you aren't over the age of 15 or so....else I'm a bit worried for you.


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Stoney McFried said:

And I'm not opposed to an elective class being taught on religious theory or history, but ALL religious theories must be represented equally,and not just one.Kinda like mythology.But no one should try to manipulate folks into accepting any religious agendas,and the class should be monitored carefully.Like I said, it would be an elective, and parents could opt their children out.And it's not a preaching session.

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I agree all religious theories should be represented equally (in my school this IS how it was taught) however, I don't think parents should be allowed to elect their children out of learning about world religion any more than they should be allow to elect out of Maths or Science.

The aim of education is to produce a well rounded, knowledgable human being, which means learning about everything, no screening childrens education to fit your own beliefs (be that religious OR scientific)

AGSteve said:

maybe you could get your warmhole to help you.

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HAHA

Maybe.

I'll put My warmhole right over your face and see if I can transport some foreign matter at super light speeds. You can be the observer.

No need to be brown nosing now. Its going to be a super dubmper experiment.

~PEACE~

CrackerJax said:

Spewing data and understanding data are two different things We Love.

You have some work to do. I hope you aren't over the age of 15 or so....else I'm a bit worried for you.


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I think you might have been ID'ed by some pompus, closed minded, Nazi, monkeys.

P.S. I love you!

~PEACE~

We Love 1 said:

HAHA

Maybe.

I'll put My warmhole right over your face and see if I can transport some foreign matter at super light speeds. You can be the observer.

No need to be brown nosing now.

~PEACE~

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only jesting with you. .

i think you've been watching to much german scat btw. .

We Love 1 said:

I think you might have been ID'ed by some pompus, closed minded, Nazi, monkeys.

P.S. I love you!

~PEACE~

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So you are well over 15 then.... Oh well... not every one gets near the top.


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"Location- You call it Earth."

"I'm so cool, that I don't call it Earth. I call it crackerland. But you do, so I guess I'll go with that.."

Whatever cracker, go take some viagra and watch a porno or something. You old fart.

~PEACE~

MIne as well.

AGSteve said:

mine would certainly be opted out.

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Yeah, I'm not saying it would be an ID class, and certainly not for small children.Maybe a high school course, but in NO WAY an opportunity to preach,just to discuss different religions effect on the world.

CrackerJax said:

That's the problem Stoney...ID is not science. It simply doesn't hold itself up to scrutiny.

ID is representative of "political science". It goes right next to
1.) UFO's (extraterrestrial)
2.) Man made global warming (non-sense)
3.) Liberal economics



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I don't agree, there.These are MY children, and I don't appreciate the state trying to tell me how my children should believe.That's a decision for them when they're older, and capable of researching on their OWN.I don't appreciate D.A.R.E. officers in my kid's school, either,or the attitude that the schools have that my child needs to be trained to have the mass corporate mentality on order to be "successful." I want my children to determine their own definition of success.

Jointsmith said:

I agree all religious theories should be represented equally (in my school this IS how it was taught) however, I don't think parents should be allowed to elect their children out of learning about world religion any more than they should be allow to elect out of Maths or Science.

The aim of education is to produce a well rounded, knowledgable human being, which means learning about everything, no screening childrens education to fit your own beliefs (be that religious OR scientific)

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Stoney McFried said:

I don't agree, there.These are MY children, and I don't appreciate the state trying to tell me how my children should believe.That's a decision for them when they're older, and capable of researching on their OWN.I don't appreciate D.A.R.E. officers in my kid's school, either,or the attitude that the schools have that my child needs to be trained to have the mass corporate mentality on order to be "successful." I want my children to determine their own definition of success.

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If you don't want the state deciding what your children get taught then don't send your children to a PUBLIC school.

If you don't like what the state teaches your children then don't demand they pay for your childrens education.

I appreciate their YOUR children, but anyone with a penis and vagina to bang together can make a child, it doesn't qualify you to know what constitutes a well rounded education.

If a Creationist demanded that their Child was never made aware of the theory of evolution, I guess you'd see that as wrong (I do).

What you are proposing is exactly the same thing.

Yeah, I don't have the state pay for it, thanks, we have school fees that we have to pay,and taxes, so the state doesn't pay.I know that in a public school, being a government entity, we are entitled to a separation of church and state.Evolution is only a small part of the scientific curriculum.If, on your time, you want to give your children a religious upbringing,that's your choice.Intelligent design simply does not pass scientific muster,as has been said before in this thread.The school's job is to present science in a clear cut manner,and to inform children of the scientific process, and the evidence that science has found regarding different things,like plate tectonics, geology,astronomy,and evolution.It takes a MAJOR discovery to rewrite these textbooks,something that proves without a doubt that the information contained in the books is incorrect.Evolution does happen, that's a fact.I'm sure plenty of folks will disagree, but the evidence for evolution is overwhelming.Evolution does not attempt to tell us where life originated, just that it changes to adapt to the particular circumstances it encounters.It does not attempt to teach morality,superstition,or myth. There is a step by step scientific process that each theory must undergo,and if it does not pass the criteria, it is ruled as improbable.Note I didn't say impossible.However,ID does not follow this rigorous scientific process,it expects you to believe without actual proof or explanation, it finds things that agree with it and presents them as facts, discarding the things that disprove it.This is not a "well rounded" education,this is dogmatic brainwashing.Religion has been the largest opponent of science through the ages(flat earth,anyone?), because science seeks to disprove things in order to gain a better understanding of what is fact.If something can hold up to scientific scrutiny, it can be declared probable, and religion, and ID, cannot do that.

Jointsmith said:

If you don't want the state deciding what your children get taught then don't send your children to a PUBLIC school.

If you don't like what the state teaches your children then don't demand they pay for your childrens education.

I appreciate their YOUR children, but anyone with a penis and vagina to bang together can make a child, it doesn't qualify you to know what constitutes a well rounded education.

If a Creationist demanded that their Child was never made aware of the theory of evolution, I guess you'd see that as wrong (I do).

What you are proposing is exactly the same thing.

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Jointsmith said:

If you don't want the state deciding what your children get taught then don't send your children to a PUBLIC school.

If you don't like what the state teaches your children then don't demand they pay for your childrens education.

I appreciate their YOUR children, but anyone with a penis and vagina to bang together can make a child, it doesn't qualify you to know what constitutes a well rounded education.

If a Creationist demanded that their Child was never made aware of the theory of evolution, I guess you'd see that as wrong (I do).

What you are proposing is exactly the same thing.

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There is a seperation between Church and State here in America Jointsmith and it is clearly evident that creationism/ID is religious doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy,

I always preferred that my children not be brainwashed. If I wanted them to have religious brainwashing, I would have packed them off to church, but I didn't.

They are more than capable of deciding what they want to believe and I encourage them to take those minds they have and use them.

natrone23 said:

There is a seperation between Church and State here in America Jointsmith and it is clearly evident that creationism/ID is religious doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy,

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I'm not saying Creationism should be taught as a theory of our origin, especially not in Science, because, as has already been discussed to death, there is no scientific evidence

However, I feel that learning ABOUT religion and what they believe (and why) is an important part of a well rounded education.

Obviously it should be looked at objectively.

religion has no business in public schools. There are 15 different churches in my town, different religions. Who would decide which religion is to be taught? The next thing you know the whole day has been filled with the 15 different religions and they've learned nothing else.

Religion is a fantasy, it has no place in education.

misshestermoffitt said:

Religion is a fantasy, it has no place in education.

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+rep for being sensible.