Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights
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PSUAGRO.
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Tell me it was Irishboy
............always had my doubts about his grows because NO one could even get close to his results with those spectra panels that I know of (excellent growers too)CMH is a great indoor lighting option........especially in the winter
Beefbisquit
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Oh, here's some "Christmas tree light" grown bud, fresh out of the curing jar tonight. 
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chazbolin
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Hey Gordo. When a manufacturer has a defect they will call it a feature. Case in point; That 'self leveling system' bracket is the stock Chinese tunnel light bracket that allows the lights to be angled down when installed in tunnels. If a light has a V clip centered over the back of the fixture it only takes a single point connection to the V Clip with a pro-grip, jack chain or whatever you're using to hang the light. Show me one grow light that needs a self leveling feature. if you can point to one anywhere they would be well advised to not ignore the stern legal message at the bottom of this page that this is, or may be, part of a proprietary design by their client.
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The Made in the USA (nothing about any of their products coming from China) at the top of the page also goes on to state that while they, FSS HYDRO LLC, are Staking the Global Claim as the leader in the market they are doing so by Repurposing Equipment already in the Marketplace. Now what precisely does that mean? They also wordsmith on the last bullet point in claiming US procurement of raw materials which opens the door for some FSS purchasing agent sitting in Jackson MI to be buying Chinese made lamps and drivers. It was, after all, 'US Procurement'.
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But the biggest issue I see that this information raises is after only briefly looking at the spectral distribution graphs their lamps are producing I'm left with a glaring disparity between the two induction lamps. The Veg (5000K) spectrum shows the Mercury peaks that an induction lamp would have at 405 and 730nm. The Bloom (2700K) spectrum is missing these peaks. It can't be an induction lamp at all since the Hg peaks are simply not there. Perhaps it was some oversight or maybe they are just 'repurposing' an HPS lamps spectrum which the chart on the left more closely resembles.
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I am a bit surprised that the USDA and all the other esteemed research institutes missed this. If I may be so bold as to posit a suggestion; after claiming 15 years of research they may wish to remedy this chart prior to making, what some might consider a premature claim, of worldwide dominance of the induction indoor grow light market.
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But what do we weed growers know anyway.
chazbolin
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I wonder how that 49ers fan got past security to the switch that turned off all those lights? They were banking on that 20 minute HID restrike to get their guys back into the game.
I understand Obama was watching the game and immediately ordered a strike force in the event this was not a disgruntled 49er's fan but instead a much more serious threat as an attack on HID lighting systems brought on by an induction lighting manufacturer seeking world dominance in stadium lighting.
I understand Obama was watching the game and immediately ordered a strike force in the event this was not a disgruntled 49er's fan but instead a much more serious threat as an attack on HID lighting systems brought on by an induction lighting manufacturer seeking world dominance in stadium lighting.
Kite High
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Splifferous
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you guys are bad.... lol
flaxseedoil1000
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I'm no guru like Chaz but those igrow bulbs look like off the shelf units not tailored to PAR
chazbolin
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I'm not quite the pessimist you are Kite. I believe words and actions have meaning. I think there are companies, like people, that do tell it like it is, while others exaggerate, and some completely mislead by distortion, lies and fraud. igrow has produced enough of the latter, just within the propaganda I responded to, that if one were to take your suggestion and buy their products to confirm how well they worked it would only serve to notice them that their marketing was actually working.
What disturbs me is when a company with this much horsepower tries to influence a niche market they consider gullible with colorful graphs, claims of Made in the USA and deep relations with university/USDA research that would influence the gardeners decision to purchase their products. If they actually do go out and buy these products and are then disappointed with the results the mfg can claim the gardener didn't use the products correctly or some such nonsense. It will never be their fault. Now the technology is to blame in that unhappy buyers mind and he'll tell everyone he can that the technology doesn't work and to stay away from it. And that is just not the case.
I'm no guru but thanks for the rep. I only pointed out that the igrow chart showing the 2700 kelvin induction lamp misses the mercury peaks at two obvious locations. Are these the spectral distribution graphs for their lamps? Maybe the veg but definitely not the flower since an induction lamp would need mercury suspended in an inert gas like argon to work at all. I believe this is an HPS graph they're showing.
What disturbs me is when a company with this much horsepower tries to influence a niche market they consider gullible with colorful graphs, claims of Made in the USA and deep relations with university/USDA research that would influence the gardeners decision to purchase their products. If they actually do go out and buy these products and are then disappointed with the results the mfg can claim the gardener didn't use the products correctly or some such nonsense. It will never be their fault. Now the technology is to blame in that unhappy buyers mind and he'll tell everyone he can that the technology doesn't work and to stay away from it. And that is just not the case.
gordobo
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'twasn't me. LOL Although it did make a case for using lamps that doesn't take 34 minutes to put the game back on.
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Chaz I'm actually waiting for an email response from the dealer to clarify if these are the actual iGROW spectrums because it's not clear on the documents that this represents their lamps. It appears since they are the only spectrums listed in the brochure that they would be but I was curious as to why they were just given kelvin values. If the mercury isn't being shown I can't believe these would be the spectrums their lamps are emitting. That would not make sense to publish that but I'll let you know what they say.
gordobo
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Didn't get a response from iGROW on the spectrum question but they aren't willing to help me on a side by side. They want me to buy the system.
Hopefully I can get the indagrow light for a trial and would only have to pay for one system. Kind of bummed since I was really looking forward to their support on this. I went to the link though and I see it's being run by a SteveyG. Not much on the blog. Must be in early development. If that is the same SteveyG he should have just kept up the RIU journals. Would have gotten more people watching it.
Beefbisquit
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No, everything he's said is complete speculation. He has ZERO experience with the light, yet knows it's better than HID and LED.... ROFL
gordobo
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Well I got the inda-gro response back and they won't provide a trial sample light either.
Does anyone know of any LED companies that might be interested in letting me trial one of their lights against the inda-gro light? If I have to buy an induction I'd start with theirs because it's less out of pocket.
Kite High
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why not test it against hid?
gordobo
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iGrow did not directly respond to my question asking if the graphs I see in their charts is for both the veg and the bloom lamps they sell. This is the response I was given;
Now that I've been learning more (mostly from what I've been reading and seeing on these forums) it's got me seriously questioning the whole two lamp thing getting pushed down our throats. I want an answer to a simple question and they go off on some tangent about how a single lamp can't work because there is no science to back it up or how well their company is doing. I did not ask those questions. I only wanted to know if these were their spectrums showing on these charts. I asked once again let's hope I get a yes or no response this time.