induction light??

bajafox

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Hey Bajafox,
I will have the light ready in about 3 weeks, i just ordered my LED's. I only had a few interested members...go figure so many people shoot it down without experiencing them but no one willing to test ...even for free! I would like to do a side by side wether it be 600 HPS or 600LED do you have either? By the way our normal prices are better than what you quoted.
I can run it side by side with my 600w HPS. I have a DR120 (4x4) and a DR120W (2x4) and depending on the dimensions the induction light would be perfect for my DR120W, I just upgraded to the bigger tent and transferred my 600w hps into it. I would like to do a side by side grow before I add supplemental lighting to my hps

There are plenty of strains in my cloner to choose from. I can grow them identically in the same soil, watering schedule, nutrients, etc. etc. and find out if these lights are really what they say they are. I still consider myself a new grower so if there is anyone else with more experience then by all means. I just want to see some pictures and some results before I dump any money into these lights that will save me at least $125 a month on my electric bill...
 

newworldicon

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Well got this the second time....i am selling these lights so maybe that didnt came through your mind...however i joined this forum because i know there are experts here that can really understand and exploit these lights and give me opinions, help comparing lights using all those resources i dont have in China. I am not trying to say these lights are the best and that the other suck, i am just saying that they could be better as they were made to be so! (it is not directly proven on cannabis plants but the scientific theory is there). So please dont criticise my job here if you dont want to see my comments then why r u posting on induction lights? go to the CFL,HPS,LEDs or the many more topics there out there i am focusing in this one cause it is my field of work!
Can I ask you this then, why are you not able to show us growing journals under these lights, they could be tomatoes fruiting or something that also requires a certain light intensity to complete it's cycle? These companies in China whether they be induction or LED never seem to do real world testing in the form of growing under the lights, I speak of LG LED tech and Mland mainly from my experience. If there is one thing you can bank on in forums like this is people want to see the goods being grown, not just stats. I'm not calling you out! I'm just saying that for me and I think for many others proof is in the pudding and you guys just don't provide.

Why is that?????
 
SAME second time i got this!...well basically because im very sceptical of doing this in China as if they caught you is it paid with BEHEADING...is it worth the risk to do this only to satisfy u? i dont think so. I am myself trying these lights in China and i am freaking out to the point i am about to stop my growop. BUT anyways like i said before i am going to upload pics and journals from clients who are testing the lights and have told me they are prooven to be a success. Probably by next week i will do so!
So maybe that answered your doubts and anyways are you guys interested in these lights or just come here to criticise?
Cause if you are interested in them you are making the wrong questions and acusations! Also if you follow the posts they goo waaaay back to 2009 talking about the previous version of the Mland's grow light. The version we are selling now is has been made specifically for the purpose of growing cannabis...and not tomatoes.
Nailed it ;)
I find this forum great, nevertheless they are alot of people here only to critize the others,wait for the pics to be uploaded by "Donglai" or buy your own sample and test it....
 

bajafox

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The problem with buying our own sample is that it is still very pricey and not worth it without any real results. I am very interested in switching over from HPS to these lights, even at the high upfront cost BUT there is no reason to when I know for a fact that HPS works. These lights will pay for themselves in 7 months for me just on the electric bill alone but until I know how much lighting I will need to have similar results to 600 to 1000w HPS I'll have to deal with the bills and enjoy the dense buds :leaf:

I'm hoping bubblegoogles will select me for his candidate to experiment and document his lights. I plan to use it side by side with my 600w HPS. If I get similar results my cool tube, lumatek ballast and 600w hps will go on craiglist the day after harvest. If there is a better candidate than me then I hope we get a link to the journal, regardless of who he picks I am very interested in the results
 

newworldicon

Well-Known Member
SAME second time i got this!...well basically because im very sceptical of doing this in China as if they caught you is it paid with BEHEADING...is it worth the risk to do this only to satisfy u? i dont think so. I am myself trying these lights in China and i am freaking out to the point i am about to stop my growop. BUT anyways like i said before i am going to upload pics and journals from clients who are testing the lights and have told me they are prooven to be a success. Probably by next week i will do so!
So maybe that answered your doubts and anyways are you guys interested in these lights or just come here to criticise?
Cause if you are interested in them you are making the wrong questions and acusations! Also if you follow the posts they goo waaaay back to 2009 talking about the previous version of the Mland's grow light. The version we are selling now is has been made specifically for the purpose of growing cannabis...and not tomatoes.
Keep your knickers on!!! I was aiming this at Chazbolin who said he had 4 grows under his belt with the lights, I asked him to show his grows, not you!
 

newworldicon

Well-Known Member
Nailed it ;)
I find this forum great, nevertheless they are alot of people here only to critize the others,wait for the pics to be uploaded by "Donglai" or buy your own sample and test it....
Nailed what????? Dont jump on a band wagon now! I had no critisism of the lights, I would like to see them work as much as you do. The point of RIU is to share info and that is what Donglai etc. should be here for, is it SOOOOOO much to ask to see what happens under these lights.....NO!!!!!

Again I have never asked Donglai to show any evidence, I have asked Chazbolin as he himself has grown under them.
 
SAME second time i got this!...well basically because im very sceptical of doing this in China as if they caught you is it paid with BEHEADING...is it worth the risk to do this only to satisfy u? i dont think so. I am myself trying these lights in China and i am freaking out to the point i am about to stop my growop. BUT anyways like i said before i am going to upload pics and journals from clients who are testing the lights and have told me they are prooven to be a success. Probably by next week i will do so!
So maybe that answered your doubts and anyways are you guys interested in these lights or just come here to criticise?
Cause if you are interested in them you are making the wrong questions and acusations! Also if you follow the posts they goo waaaay back to 2009 talking about the previous version of the Mland's grow light. The version we are selling now is has been made specifically for the purpose of growing cannabis...and not tomatoes.
Donglai,
you should be very carefull of what you post as your government monitors all your email and web post activity. when i went to China last year i had my laptop confinscated and returned with spyware on it. I had to get a new laptop as it was not fixable! And i was only a tourist. It's not worth your life!! It's better to let another party to post pictures and do a journal on them for you. That's why i think it is worth your while to provide a light for someone on this site to try. Tell your boss if he wants to sell them in North America, this is cheap advertising for it.
Can you send me a picture and specifications on your light. You state that your light is different from Mland's. It maybe worth looking into. If you can post pictures of your light and color temperature that would be great.
 

bajafox

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bubblegoogles, any updates on how the lights that you are sending out for testing coming along?
 

mattman

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Specifically for pot eh? Not for tomatoes?, you sir are one clown.

All plants have pigments that are specific to certain wavelengths of light, most of which want blue/red... in some cases others but rare occasions. Pot/tomatoes are no exception, both have green leaves... why you ask?

Because the pigments within the leaf are absorbing all the wavelengths of light besides green
 
Specifically for pot eh? Not for tomatoes?, you sir are one clown.

All plants have pigments that are specific to certain wavelengths of light, most of which want blue/red... in some cases others but rare occasions. Pot/tomatoes are no exception, both have green leaves... why you ask?

Because the pigments within the leaf are absorbing all the wavelengths of light besides green
Huh? Who mention anything about green light? Tell us something we don't know. BTW if red and blue are all you need then why did the first gen led fail, they had just red and blue. The latest gen of leds that do a decent job are the ones that are upto 11 wavelengths not just red and blue. If you do some more research, there are studies that confirm that green and yellow light actually do affect plant light absorbtion. What lightsource has a lot of green and yellow? HPS.
 

chazbolin

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Good points. But I'm going to come to bubbles defense a bit.

I Love the induction grow lights I've been using and would really encourage people to get a bit more knowledgeable, as you have, as to the overall benefits relative to yields per watt. To that end the inductions have simply kicked the shit out of any other light source I've tried for the wattage consumed. And unlike bubbles I'm not a salesman for mland, indgro, or any other brands that might be manufacturing an 'induction grow light'.

Like pretty much every grower I know, we get our information from forums, magazines, tradeshows and our hydro stores where every claim is based on science that very few of us fully grasp (nor do I really want to) much less get to form an opinion based on our own scientific research unless we actually buy the 'latest and greatest' being marketed. So if we do nothing different (the safest) we'll continue to buy new HID lamps every 6 months, pay the utility bills and believe that the costs are a necessary burden of the yield reward.

With the rising cost of power I have tried to lower my operating costs and have invested in a few of the 'latest' HID lamps and LED panels that make persuasive claims as to their efficiencies. Induction was another attempt to determine for myself if the savings in energy consumption could warrant the investment and the yields and product would not suffer as a result of this lamp. I did not expect much.

I will say this though, I went into this purchase armed with more knowledge about how the light should be tailored to maximize Net Photosynthesis relative to the plants we are growing indoors. This action spectra will vary between species and specifically there are in fact variables in the action spectra between types but species as well. What I mean by that is that even though you can still produce side by side same types but with different strains they react differently to the chlorophyll A & B absorption that the light itself produces. http://www.inda-gro.com/led-vs-induction.html really describes the relationship between individual plant receptors to net action spectra better then I could have described.

So while I'm sure a lot of mfg's spend small fortunes and research time attempting to define the precise spectrums for the species it's actually more for marketing then for yields. Case in point that most mfg simply refer to the Chlorophyll Absorption Charts when promoting their spectral levels and not action spectra because it varies to widely amongst species/types to make an absolute claim that their light will outperform the competitions in Net Photosynthetic Action for any specific plants 100% maximum yield. It's not really in any lighting mfg best long term commercial interest to make such an absolute claim so Net Action is not usually referred to.

So if you've stuck with me on this, my point is that a generally productive trichome light source will have some unique spectral characteristics. But for a mfg to state that it's the best light made for an entire type category would be unbelievable to an informed buyer and definitely not worthy of serious purchase consideration.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!








Specifically for pot eh? Not for tomatoes?, you sir are one clown.

All plants have pigments that are specific to certain wavelengths of light, most of which want blue/red... in some cases others but rare occasions. Pot/tomatoes are no exception, both have green leaves... why you ask?

Because the pigments within the leaf are absorbing all the wavelengths of light besides green
 

Illumination

New Member
Good points. But I'm going to come to bubbles defense a bit.

I Love the induction grow lights I've been using and would really encourage people to get a bit more knowledgeable, as you have, as to the overall benefits relative to yields per watt. To that end the inductions have simply kicked the shit out of any other light source I've tried for the wattage consumed. And unlike bubbles I'm not a salesman for mland, indgro, or any other brands that might be manufacturing an 'induction grow light'.

Like pretty much every grower I know, we get our information from forums, magazines, tradeshows and our hydro stores where every claim is based on science that very few of us fully grasp (nor do I really want to) much less get to form an opinion based on our own scientific research unless we actually buy the 'latest and greatest' being marketed. So if we do nothing different (the safest) we'll continue to buy new HID lamps every 6 months, pay the utility bills and believe that the costs are a necessary burden of the yield reward.

With the rising cost of power I have tried to lower my operating costs and have invested in a few of the 'latest' HID lamps and LED panels that make persuasive claims as to their efficiencies. Induction was another attempt to determine for myself if the savings in energy consumption could warrant the investment and the yields and product would not suffer as a result of this lamp. I did not expect much.

I will say this though, I went into this purchase armed with more knowledge about how the light should be tailored to maximize Net Photosynthesis relative to the plants we are growing indoors. This action spectra will vary between species and specifically there are in fact variables in the action spectra between types but species as well. What I mean by that is that even though you can still produce side by side same types but with different strains they react differently to the chlorophyll A & B absorption that the light itself produces. http://www.inda-gro.com/led-vs-induction.html really describes the relationship between individual plant receptors to net action spectra better then I could have described.

So while I'm sure a lot of mfg's spend small fortunes and research time attempting to define the precise spectrums for the species it's actually more for marketing then for yields. Case in point that most mfg simply refer to the Chlorophyll Absorption Charts when promoting their spectral levels and not action spectra because it varies to widely amongst species/types to make an absolute claim that their light will outperform the competitions in Net Photosynthetic Action for any specific plants 100% maximum yield. It's not really in any lighting mfg best long term commercial interest to make such an absolute claim so Net Action is not usually referred to.

So if you've stuck with me on this, my point is that a generally productive trichome light source will have some unique spectral characteristics. But for a mfg to state that it's the best light made for an entire type category would be unbelievable to an informed buyer and definitely not worthy of serious purchase consideration.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Same to you...Happy Thanksgiving...

Now since you already are growing with these lights and how they are great....then please kind sir could you do a grow journal on them so we the community can see there effects and decide if we should try this.... Sorry but without some proof to back them up it is only words and not worth the $$$ outlay to find out...so show us please?

Thank you

Namaste'
 

Danielsgb

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For $2K to $5K for one I would like to see a grow journal. I've read a bunch of the research and understand a fair amount about light spectrum but I haven't seen a grow journal on this or two other sites. They seem great, but I'm skeptical. Do a grow journal and I bet you'll get a ton of us to follow along.
Daniels
 

chazbolin

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Hi Chazbolin
Thanks for the link. Your right about the relector. We found the reflector design is very important with induction lights. They not only reflect the light but we found these light need a certain amount of heat to operate properly. These bulbs do not like ANY air blowing at them directly. This is one of the causes of the light losing light output after a few hours of operation. the lights would lose almost 50% of it's output. This is noticeable to the eye but when we use a lux meter we were suprised of how much output was lost. Imagine the results the Dutch would have had if he had the correct reflector. Noticed he used 2700K bulbs and grew with scrog. This is the key to growing with induction. These lights don't have as good penetration as HPS but scrog solves this problem.
My hypothesis here, based on some given facts about induction is that @ startup the lower lumen output (50% lumen reduction) has to do with the fact that the mercury Hg has to warm up to facilitate the argon gas emitting full lumen output. If you are in fact experiencing a 50% reduction with fresh air blowing over the lamp it may have something to do with the fact that the fixture design you're actually cooling the Hg to a point of initial startup levels by allowing a fresh flow of really cool air on the Hg.

Induction fixtures are rated for operating ranges between -30 and +`130 deg F http://inda-gro.com/faq.html no 19 addresses the light output based on ambient thermal conditions. What you may be experiencing is a direct flow of allowing something of a windchill effect which unlike the fixture in a industrial freezer it's enclosed and the lamp temperatures contribute to full lumen output in the sub-zero freezers where I've seen the industrial induction fixtures installed at full lumen output.

You may have a poorly constructed fixture that is allowing the windchill transport any heat from the lamp to affect lumen output and simply keeping the air directly off the lamp would eliminate the condition.
 

Illumination

New Member
Hi Bajafox,
Sorry for the late reply. I have chosen someone on 420 mag to do the test. We should have the journal started in about a week.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/journals-progress/126112-experimental-led-plasma-induction-grow-7.html

Is this the grow journal of which you speak? So you are Envirotech or whatever on 420? These glorified fluorescents still possess the same limiting factor as cfl's and regular fluoro's no or negligible penetration....less light output per watt....lack of far red and useable uvb....I wanna see plants grown solely with these lights of clones which are also grown simultaneously with hid to see if your claims carry any validity...period... I find from my research it to be old tech which is being polished up to be new and better when it in fact it is inferior and old...so quite simply stop using words and show true and real results

Otherwise I say pure bullshit and hype...period

Namaste':peace:
 

bajafox

Well-Known Member
Hi Bajafox,
Sorry for the late reply. I have chosen someone on 420 mag to do the test. We should have the journal started in about a week.
No problem, just be sure to update us with the link. I assume they are doing a side by side comparison with a 600w hps like I had offered as well right?
 

Illumination

New Member
Nailed it ;)
I find this forum great, nevertheless they are alot of people here only to critize the others,wait for the pics to be uploaded by "Donglai" or buy your own sample and test it....
It appears as this will never occur...here nor anywhere.... everywhere these are supposed to be shown what they can do there's always some legal or mechanical excuses and NO PICS as they are just spilling words and par and pur this and that because it is all hype....lies for your very dirty dollar...

I see plenty of awesome results from hid and even cfl's but not 1 real result showing how great these new better par pur lights are, they rave about....that should tell everyone that this is bullcrap...sorry but I am really tired of hey this is better...costs more but you get you money back in savings.... I dont want money back....my plants want real and better light...these are what you do not deliver...if what I said isn't true then SHOW REAL RESULTS

You will not get my money with words and junk science...but you would with true real results

Namaste':leaf:
 

bajafox

Well-Known Member
I think it's funny that a little over a month ago I called Inda-Gro when I was looking into making the switch. Back then their lights were $740 (Pro 400 Series) on their website and I was getting a "deal" for $690, then I find out that if you are a Prop 215 patient you get a 10% discount which brings it to around $640 +/-. About 2 weeks ago I get a call that they are going for $598 for a "monthly" special.

Either these lights are all hype and the prices are dropping or they're selling so many they can afford to drop the price, either way, I haven't seen a single picture of a harvest using these lights.

The people posting in this thread wouldn't be interested if they didn't stick around, problem is WHERE ARE THE RESULTS????? Sounds like if it's too good to be true, it usually is...
 

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
For $2K to $5K for one I would like to see a grow journal. I've read a bunch of the research and understand a fair amount about light spectrum but I haven't seen a grow journal on this or two other sites. They seem great, but I'm skeptical. Do a grow journal and I bet you'll get a ton of us to follow along.
Daniels
I paid less then $700 for the 400 watt fixtures and I believe the 100 was like $350 and at the time I talked to them they even had some of the tradeshow demos at discount. I wouldn't spend $2-5K either. love the pic btw
 
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