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Indoor - DWC 2x600w - Jack the Ripper+SSH+White Russian+Blue Dream+Strawberry Cream

dsmoke1

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lordjin said:
Once again, I'm thinking of cannibalizing an aspect of UC and adding it to my system without actually running a true UC. Just as I'm neither running true Aero or DWC, but a bastard son of both. I've been looking for a way to double up the system I have now by piggy-backing a sister tub just like the one i'm running now. The UC plumbing has given me the idea to run a much lower water level UC that would require less of a demanding flow because I'm thinking of replacing the back flood gravity effect with an aero recirculating pump of equal power. The outer inline will simply be connecting the network of reservoirs and circulating the water quite gently and at a lower level... In my return bin, I will install a second submersible that will pump the water back into the bins via upper aero sprayer plumbing. The greater root hang from the lower water level will be perfect for the aero pipes spraying and dripping the return water right back into the res that is constantly flowing from the outer pump. Risky running a dual pump system, but since I have a big chiller I'll be pumping it all through, it should work. Since I'm assisting the UC with an Aero spray return pump, it doesn't have to work as hard nor support the weight of more water.

What do you think? See? I've been thinking about ways of adding, not changing completely over to it. That would essentially make it an Aero-DWC-UC combo. Such massive oxygen and circulation could exceed any other method of growing. I look forward to building it.

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Another thing I was thinking last night is that I've noticed an improvement in plant performance since I installed the chiller (which requires a second pump in my res circulating the water through the chiller constantly). Now aside from the obvious benefit of keeping the water cool, I think I've been running a crude UC system all this time without even knowing it. The added circulation of the chiller back flow creates a little waterfall in the corner as the drive pump sucks the water from the opposite end of the tub. This action is independent of the aero sprayer cycle and running constantly. Now I understand, due to the introduction of UC, that the added circulation was creating a mild undercurrent effect by further circulating the massive dissolved oxygen as it was chilling the water. Very cool (and educational). I just need to expand on it by adding true lower UC plumbing (or a milder version of it to be assisted by an aero return as I described above). Thanks for the tip. It's the perfect method for connecting my tubs I was looking for.

So in essence, I will be expanding on my chiller line by it running through lower connective pvc plumbing. I could use a smaller pipe for this lower-demand flow as well since I just need it as more of a connective 'slow flow' that will be assisted by the constant spraying and dripping of the aero return water.
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Awesome! It sounds like you've got it figured out, for sure :) The only thing that must be applied is the idea itself, and even then, you can partition the degree to which you apply it. I'm sure what you already have going has played a massive part in you killing it with that tub like you are. The doors are open now, and it sounds as if you've been working towards it all along, you just didn't quite know it. Ensure that if you run a fat enough current pipe so your roots do not get sucked into them when you get a nice current going. That's why most of the guy run schedule 40 2" PVC when generating a strong pull in the system. Once the roots get gigantic, and the current proves troublesome, just turn the pump off and switch from a kinetic to static DWC. Simple as that. At this point, you're on the last leg of flower and slowing down the environment is exactly what it takes to tell the plant that winter is coming. When the plant knows winter is coming, it starts oozing sap. This is why it is important not to completely flush your plants in a DWC. A plant still needs nutrients and food in it's final days, just not as much. Flushing with straight water or "clearing solution", in my opinion, is a terrible and unquestioned method passed down from dutch farmers who flushed like this religiously as a means to atone for their sins of over-nuting with chemical fertilizers. No good. A plant that's been TLC'd, will pack on so much extra sugar and density in the final week if you simply dilute the solution day-by-day until you're working with basically nothing the day you harvest. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, or maybe I'm giving away well-kept-secrets that I shouldn't :-P You're intelligent. You'll figure it out

Great work on the diablo, too. Man are you blessed :)
 
lordjin

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dsmoke1 said:
Awesome! It sounds like you've got it figured out, for sure :) The only thing that must be applied is the idea itself, and even then, you can partition the degree to which you apply it. I'm sure what you already have going has played a massive part in you killing it with that tub like you are. The doors are open now, and it sounds as if you've been working towards it all along, you just didn't quite know it. Ensure that if you run a fat enough current pipe so your roots do not get sucked into them when you get a nice current going. That's why most of the guy run schedule 40 2" PVC when generating a strong pull in the system. Once the roots get gigantic, and the current proves troublesome, just turn the pump off and switch from a kinetic to static DWC. Simple as that. At this point, you're on the last leg of flower and slowing down the environment is exactly what it takes to tell the plant that winter is coming. When the plant knows winter is coming, it starts oozing sap. This is why it is important not to completely flush your plants in a DWC. A plant still needs nutrients and food in it's final days, just not as much. Flushing with straight water or "clearing solution", in my opinion, is a terrible and unquestioned method passed down from dutch farmers who flushed like this religiously as a means to atone for their sins of over-nuting with chemical fertilizers. No good. A plant that's been TLC'd, will pack on so much extra sugar and density in the final week if you simply dilute the solution day-by-day until you're working with basically nothing the day you harvest. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, or maybe I'm giving away well-kept-secrets that I shouldn't :-P You're intelligent. You'll figure it out

Great work on the diablo, too. Man are you blessed :)
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Interesting. I'll look into connecting with 2" pipe and uniseals. I don't want to fuck that up. So I've been following a puritanical tradition without knowing it? Weird.
 
4tatude

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i had roots entering the res from like 3 feet away through the 2in return, slowed the flow a bit. be careful on checking the return to pump, wouldent want to dump everything on the floor cause the return was blocked. in a bucket dwc system it could be as easy as pulling the roots back now n then. jmo
 
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4tatude said:
i had roots entering the res from like 3 feet away through the 2in return, slowed the flow a bit. be careful on checking the return to pump, wouldent want to dump everything on the floor cause the return was blocked. in a bucket dwc system it could be as easy as pulling the roots back now n then. jmo
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You're totally right. In fact, I found the roots being sucked in to the hole during initial tests. Connected to return lines and output lines I have 3/4 inch tubing with "V" wedge cuts running along the bottom of the bucket. On top of that, I'm not running constant re-circulation. It comes on a few times a day for fifteen minutes. Flooding is a no-no. Good looking out :)
 
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Mini Update! Here's one of my Third-Dimension babies. Hoping for a keeper! I popped 2 of 5, due to space limitations, and will pop the final 3 if I don't get a solid female of these two. Also, a little Space Queen I'm smoking on. Has a tart, almost white-wine taste to it.


 
4tatude

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when the show is slow at home we all tend to live vicariously through others, thats why these forums are so wonderfull. getting our fix lol
 
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Right on schedule. The smell is exceeding my expectations by far. It's been years since I've caught this smell, but I remember it from my teen years in Oregon. It's a a mix of fruits and garlic/spice so pungent your eyes tear up a bit with one good whiff. I'm in for a real treat when I get to break her open on a good cure :)



 
lordjin

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dsmoke1 said:
Right on schedule. The smell is exceeding my expectations by far. It's been years since I've caught this smell, but I remember it from my teen years in Oregon. It's a a mix of fruits and garlic/spice so pungent your eyes tear up a bit with one good whiff. I'm in for a real treat when I get to break her open on a good cure :)
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Gorgeous. As I said in someone else's journal, nothing beats hid for budding.
 
dsmoke1

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lordjin said:
Gorgeous. As I said in someone else's journal, nothing beats hid for budding.
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Not until we can develop some sort of concentrated laser lighting that is safe for plants. I want to flower a plant in four days! I wannnnntt it.
 
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Tried to do some color correction the the last batch of photos to bring out trichome formation. We're not even close to finished. These next few weeks, I expect a small snow storm in my grow tent :)




 
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grimrefer420 said:
so out of every thing u have grown what is the best for the high?? and what u think the jtr is going to turn out like ??
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Honestly, that is not a bad question. My answer, however, might not be quite what you're looking for. Nowadays, pretty much everything I smoke gets me as high as I'm going to get. My psychological tolerance to marijuana is pretty high. Because of this, I have been a flavor/smoke man. I seriously take 30 minutes to smoke my joints. King size raws, crutch, coned out, gram of herb, pinch of bali-shag. Mmmm. Picked it up in Europe and never set it down. My selection of bud strictly relates to my smoking experience, and not so much the high. Flavor, richness/haziness of smoke, temporal soothing, and a few other things come in to play when critiquing a strain on my end.

If you would like me to give you a couple names based upon this, I'll be glad to do so-

Island Sweet Skunk from Next Generation



If you can grow this, you need to make it a priority asap :) Seeds are like 150 bucks now, but they are well worth it. Thankfully I was able to get them a while back when amazing batches of ISS were being grown all throughout the Seattle/Tacoma area. There are few strains that have the effect on people that Island Sweet Skunk does. Every time I have introduced someone to this strain, and watched them take their first hit, they almost immediately close their eyes, smack their lips, and and let out a little "mmmmmm" as they exhale. Every single time. If you can find a collective that carries top-shelf ISS, give it a try and see what I mean. On top of that? Grower's dream. Massive yielder, moderate flowering time, mold resistant, and the stinkiest thing in a 10 mile radius.

EDIT: Breeder's Remarks-

Our strongest smelling strain, powerful high and aroma. Heavy yielding with long buds that may need to be tied up in the last few weeks due to excessive weight. Sativa dominant growth structure with a sweat inducing stone. No vegetation time needed for sea of green growers. Consumer favorite. Californian and Spanish climates have great success outdoors. 2 times it was 1st place winner of BC Harvest Cup!

Flowering: Indoor: 65 days
Outdoor: Oct15 - 25

Genetics: Skunk, Grapefruit Indica, mostly sativa
Structure: Tall, large.
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