Inda-gro Induction...

SteveyG said:

Well that did not do to much to help me, looked up inda grows address on google maps and it is pretty funny, looks like a junk yard with bars on the windows....

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I had the same concerns until I went there in person:

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/506257-inda-gro-induction-57.html#post7765657

hey everyone!

sorry for my long pause on updates. between various technical issues, time constraints, and political concerns it sorta fell off my list of priorities... but that's changing.

the BB and WR are due to come down around tuesday. i have plans to chop the Qrazy Train by then as well. i plan on posting an update of some sort (pics or video) of the ladies on their harvest.

oh.. speaking of the QT.... i have a few pics of her, that are from 4 days ago (and 1 week pre-harvest), that i can post now.


next round should be relatively drama-free, and the ladies that are next in line are chomping at the bit... i have 2 White Fires and an Oregon Licorice in 7gal pots. plans are to run the House & Garden full line up on the the OL (i am most familiar with this strain out of my garden and know how she comes out on various nute lines), while the WF twins will give the opportunity to run a "with and without" side-by-side. so far I am thinking about either running one on my normal feed routine vs the other on straight vortex-brewed teas only; or doing a with/without of Boost, or Massive; or a side-by-side vs between them.

well, i'm gonna get running for now.. time to go medicate and then pretend to work

Now that is some frosty frostiness right there. Looks good still...

Well I finally got through reading all 943 posts. VERY impressive and I'm happy I can continue to follow this thread. I've seen plenty enough to know these are the lights for me, as a matter of fact , a few old timers in my town here in the Midwest had switched to the 420's. And I must say, you cannot beat the quality these bad bitches output! Soaring high, deliciousness taken to a New level, and I must say the BHO makes for the best I have tried, to date. Can't wait to see your upcoming harvest splifferous. This thread was well worth my registration to the site. I couldn't find a more indepth thread on any other site, had to give in and very glad so I did.

Grow on and let the green flow!

Sorry for the double post, I'm letting slide here, BUT I have a question. In the comparison of TWO 420's under one plant, and one 420 under a plant/another under the other plant. What would you see as some positives and negatives regarding these two comparisons? I'd love to throw two of them 420's under one bush and see that thing boom like fuckin hiroshima. Lemme hear some input on my lil inquisition? Love ALSO, little addition here. What about a 420w and a 200 induction, under 2 plants? Thanks much! Tokerdy

Hey Spliff! Glad to see you're still churning the nugs out buddy! Those ladies are looking pure frosty delicious bro! Nice work as usual.

Hiya Tokerdey! Welcome to our little corner of the world! Read through 943 posts before you registered. Wow I gotta hand it to you that is a commitment to the show! Glad to have ya! As to your questions on doubling up on the 420's or adding a 200 I say keep the area of coverage on a 420 to like 6 x 6 at veg and a 4 x 4 at flower so you're not pissing coin away. If money isn't an issue and you're running tree's I might think about taking a 200 under a dense canopy to see what that might do for lower branch development but even than I see what the boys in Ann Arbor are doing with light rails on the Waikiki Queen and those are 5ft bushes that have excellent lower branch development.

I'm starting a new grow in a couple of weeks to see how a 2 week veg SOG will do on the G13 run I'm planning on. My inspiration comes from an AZ garden that is spacing the 420's on a tighter spacing and 1/2 the veg. I'm thinking I'll go hydro on an ebb and flow and flow to see if I can't up the production from the 130-140g they've been knocking down. There are a number of galleries on this FB page you might want to check out to get some other ideas.

[video=facebook;448751045177201]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=448751045177201&set=vb.262974713805120 &type=3&theater[/video]

This is nuts

I'm leaning towards 4 tents. Same strain. One 420 per tent. One plant per tent . Don't see any reservations when it comes to just veging and flowering the bushes in the same tent. Still cpl months off as far as funding, but after two months I have limitless funding.

Limitless funding!!! For sure you'll want to share your setup once complete.

My friend sent me over these side by side 600 watt HPS vs a Pro420 macros of his latest Road Kill Skunk. The IG side in the first image looks to have almost a crystalline structure and the HPS plant seems to have more rounded globular edges. His comments were that the IG side came in at equal weights to the HPS side but the bud on the IG side was a headier high. With everything else being equal (except the lights) between the grows I'm throwing this out there to see if anyone might have any opinions on if you would attribute the difference in trichome structure to differences in finish product.


IG Pro420


600w HPS

My initial thought that the sharper edges on the IG side lends itself to increased defense reflection of harmful UV rays away from the flower. While I can see the difference in structure between the two would anyone care to expand on this?

Tokerdey said:

Well I finally got through reading all 943 posts. VERY impressive and I'm happy I can continue to follow this thread. I've seen plenty enough to know these are the lights for me, as a matter of fact , a few old timers in my town here in the Midwest had switched to the 420's. And I must say, you cannot beat the quality these bad bitches output! Soaring high, deliciousness taken to a New level, and I must say the BHO makes for the best I have tried, to date. Can't wait to see your upcoming harvest splifferous. This thread was well worth my registration to the site. I couldn't find a more indepth thread on any other site, had to give in and very glad so I did.

Grow on and let the green flow!

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heyhey Toker! glad you joined in! these lights are certainly turning heads. i know what you mean about it being hard to find other threads on them on other sites, but so what? most other cannabis sites out there are dubious at best..

harvest updates are upcoming!

regarding your question about # of 420s per plant... it really depends on the shape and size of the canopy (and how many plants you want to use to build that canopy), and how you try to make best use of the light. as for your thoughts on using a 200 and a 420, i would advise against the 200 in that. just use 2 420s, or one on a mover - which ever you determine you prefer. the 200 costs almost what a 420 costs and has the same spectrum just at lower power. 200s are very nice for veg however.

speaking from my experience and situation, i use a 2-tube fluro shop light, 2 200s, and a 420 in veg. the shop light is over the DWC cloners where a narrow 4 foot long footprint is needed. the IGs are on a "no holes bar" over the 5' x 10' insert from my tent. the 420 runs length-wise in the center on the bar and the 200s are perpendicular, one at each end. i hang the 200s lower than the 420, and veg the taller girls in the center of the footprint, directly under the 420 and side lit by 200s. the younger plants in 1gal pots are directly under the 200s at each end. i propagate in bare stock DWC for a month or so (til lots of roots, root mass over 12 inches long) then transplant direct to 1gal pots and IG-200s. the plants show little to no stress from this approach.

for bloom i use "Grow thru grids" that are 18" x 24" and stake right into the soil the plant is in. my bitches still tend to overgrow that footprint a fair amount, even tho i tend to train them pretty heavy-handed into the grids before they go into bloom. my first Cannatonic was a totally unruly bitch; absolutely overgrew her grid, and was so large at the end i had 2 420s on her with no mover.

chazbolin said:

Hey Spliff! Glad to see you're still churning the nugs out buddy! Those ladies are looking pure frosty delicious bro! Nice work as usual.

Hiya Tokerdey! Welcome to our little corner of the world! Read through 943 posts before you registered. Wow I gotta hand it to you that is a commitment to the show! Glad to have ya! As to your questions on doubling up on the 420's or adding a 200 I say keep the area of coverage on a 420 to like 6 x 6 at veg and a 4 x 4 at flower so you're not pissing coin away. If money isn't an issue and you're running tree's I might think about taking a 200 under a dense canopy to see what that might do for lower branch development but even than I see what the boys in Ann Arbor are doing with light rails on the Waikiki Queen and those are 5ft bushes that have excellent lower branch development.

I'm starting a new grow in a couple of weeks to see how a 2 week veg SOG will do on the G13 run I'm planning on. My inspiration comes from an AZ garden that is spacing the 420's on a tighter spacing and 1/2 the veg. I'm thinking I'll go hydro on an ebb and flow and flow to see if I can't up the production from the 130-140g they've been knocking down. There are a number of galleries on this FB page you might want to check out to get some other ideas.

[video=facebook;448751045177201]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=448751045177201&set=vb.262974713805120 &type=3&theater[/video]

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heya Chaz! fsho still churning the nugs out! last few days have been so busy... the Blueberry and White Rhino are down and hanging, but i opted to get experimental with the Qrazy Train... after a hearty flush, i let her ride that out til the onset of wilting point in the tent, and then she went to the trim room, where it's lightproof and dark... she's on day 2 of dry and dark, and gonna get chopped when i get home from work.

i also have the new round of bloom started. 2 White Fires and an Oregon Licorice. they went to the tent on friday morning when the QT came out (after i cleaned the tent) and went their last straight 24 hours of light in there before lights out this morning at 7. they all got modest flushes for the transition, and the OL is on House & Garden for this run. the 2 WFs are on identical Canna mixes til budset, then one is getting Boost. due to slight differences in how the 2 WFs are groomed, i decided that this experiment is mostly to get a qualitative assessment of Boost, rather than to see if it effects harvest weight. i am bummed that i recently bought a gallon of Massive, and it looks like it'll be easily 2+ months before i get around to using it.

i also have a Blue City Diesel that was transplanted to 7gal last night. so far i have her on H&G, as i saw what she did with Canna outside over the summer. but i think i might just math out if the H&G liters are enough for me to use on 2 plants, or if i should just save it for the OL test...

i'm really excited to see your next garden, thats for sure! i thought you already did hydro tho...?

Hiya Spliff! Great to hear you're running another healthy run of WF and OL. Is that BCD a new strain for you? I saw some bagged once and it was s t i n k y and oh so stoney! I might take a run at it after I see how yours turns out. Definitely gonna be interested in the Canna comparison too. Keep us posted por favour. And yes hydro is my preferred garden but unfortunately I'm having to get setup once again since recovering all my gear from my ex has been nothing short of frustrating. Been staying busy on a couple of friends gardens though so I've been getting by in the interim nicely but I am way overdue for my own project.

On another note; did that Pfr switch at lights out prove up anything conclusive from your tests? It would seem logical that the shortened phytochrome switch would extended flowering and I've seen a few papers that make the case for this technique but I've not seen any research that that compares flux densities and durations @ 730nm. Have you?

chazbolin said:

Hiya Spliff! Great to hear you're running another healthy run of WF and OL. Is that BCD a new strain for you? I saw some bagged once and it was s t i n k y and oh so stoney! I might take a run at it after I see how yours turns out. Definitely gonna be interested in the Canna comparison too. Keep us posted por favour. And yes hydro is my preferred garden but unfortunately I'm having to get setup once again since recovering all my gear from my ex has been nothing short of frustrating. Been staying busy on a couple of friends gardens though so I've been getting by in the interim nicely but I am way overdue for my own project.

On another note; did that Pfr switch at lights out prove up anything conclusive from your tests? It would seem logical that the shortened phytochrome switch would extended flowering and I've seen a few papers that make the case for this technique but I've not seen any research that that compares flux densities and durations @ 730nm. Have you?

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hey bro! fuck ex's! especially ones that keep you from your stuff.

as for the BCD, i actually ran a BCD outside this past season, and she ended up having pink pistils

and her smoke is like grape bubbleicious gum with a wonderful diesel finish. infact, yday i was talking with a dude at the shop about this strain and he mentioned that he had BCD in his garden too. he mentioned pink pistils on his and we compared pics and damned if it didn't look like identical genetics! but ya, shes def one of my tops faves, and i'm very excited to run her indoors. i've heard rumor that the pistils only pink outdoors, but i've also got boss-like control of my temps and RH so i may not have any aesthetic issues with her at all. so we'll see...

as for the 730nm explorations, i noticed a definite impact on the Cannatonic indoors with it. now, it mighta been a fluke, but my first CT took damn 25 days to show budset while the other 3 plants in the same tent poofed out at 10-12 days... the 2nd CT i did had the 730nm on a 2hr dusk timer and lights were on 12/12; she flipped in 12 days. i also used the 730 on the dusk timer (lights on 12/12) for the last week and a half of this most recent run.

oh, speaking of... the Qrazy Train came down last night. i took pics but i didn't really proof them til just now and jeez my phone's camera really sucks. here they are none the less... i hate and am sorry for the lack of detail, but i think her frostyness shows thru regardless.

her smell is... complicated (read: wtf smexy)... really hard to explain, and i'm sure it's gonna morph as she dries and cures... i'll certainly keep ya all updated on her. i tell ya, i'm really eager to get home today and trim and train the 4 QT babes i have in veg (and prolly lavish some attention on the BCD). i'm thinking i wanna rearrange the veg lights so that the 420 is over all of the 1gal plants and the 2 200s sorta straddle the larger BCD to encourage her to divide her canopy in prep for scrog lovins. if i'm not too distracted, i'll try to get some pics of veg to post, and if i can get a decent camera, i will also post a bloom update.

well, time to sneak off and put one in the air

yall

damn, i hate the poor picture quality my phone camera has...

i been had these pics since the 24th... and they simply don't do the plants any justice. i'm posting them, regardless of not pleasing my inner photographer, only because i promised that i would. i meant to have them posted a while ago, but i've been under the weather or something... been rather lethargic and keeping somewhat stranger hours than is my usual...

on a side note, the Rhino is all done getting trimmed and i'll have a dry/cured weight soon. the Blueberry is getting trimmed today, and the Qrazy Train is almost done drying...

but for now... on to the (blurry) bud porn:

the Blueberry:



the White Rhino:



the Qrazy Train:

oh, also.. the tent is now housing the 2 White Fires and an Oregon Licorice. i decided to get a first and second opinion of H&G this run by running it (full line except for magic green - no foliars in bloom, thanks) on the OL and one of the WFs, and the other WF is getting my standard feeding routine. and the Blue City Diesel is coming along too, and should be ready for bloom in a week or so.

i had been wanting to do a Canna Boost side-by-side this run, but i didn't have the extra budget to get the Boost whereas i still have the better part of a gallon of Massive, which my girls really like and i wasn't looking forward to not using seeing as i already have it on hand. i might run Canna w/ Boost on the BCD or i might run H&G on her. i did the math on their bottles at my store discount, and i really like how it came out... i hope the plants dig it too.

Nice looking plants spliff! Beautiful. I bet that's all going to smoke very nicely, especially that qrazy, shit looks.... Crazy haha. You run CO2 in your room? Also on the topic of my light choice. What would you think about a 420par Along with a couple of led panels to compliment? ( possibly on a rotating pulley that circles around the room, to eliminate variation from the led and indagro on just a select plant). I'd love to know your thoughts. I'm definitely going to be running CO2 with my inda too. Just adding my final touches to my grow room gameplan and blue prints and I'll be in business.

as for the 730nm explorations, i noticed a definite impact on the Cannatonic indoors with it. now, it mighta been a fluke, but my first CT took damn 25 days to show budset while the other 3 plants in the same tent poofed out at 10-12 days... the 2nd CT i did had the 730nm on a 2hr dusk timer and lights were on 12/12; she flipped in 12 days. i also used the 730 on the dusk timer (lights on 12/12) for the last week and a half of this most recent run.

oh, speaking of... the Qrazy Train came down last night. i took pics but i didn't really proof them til just now and jeez my phone's camera really sucks. here they are none the less... i hate and am sorry for the lack of detail, but i think her frostyness shows thru regardless

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Hey Bro good to see your still churnin out the meds and the gurlz are looking fine as usual! Nice run. Let me know how that QT turns out. Even with the blurry pics that looks like it could find a spot in my next garden.

The whole 730nm Pfr switch thing has me intrigued. If I'm getting you right on your experience you ran 730nm on a dusk timer for two hours at lights out and your CT puffed in 1/2 the time? You're not the first one to scratch your head on this one but it's looking like it may not be a fluke and there might be something to it. What I wonder is the side by side that Darryl is currently doing on the inhouse garden which they stream off their website is only adding 5 minutes of 730 at lights out to reduce the Pfr switch. I know that they're running their diodes on lithium-ion batteries that sense when the 420 goes lights out so there is no need for extra wiring. It makes sense in that it's simple and you wouldn't need any extra timers or wiring to incorporate this feature. What I'm wondering is is if you ran 2 hours (from what I'm reading it only takes something like 90 seconds to stimulate this response) would the CT have responded even better with a shorter duration exposure to the 730?

I just want to see it work in a side by side and from there fine tune it. I'm keeping an eye on the IG side by side but I (well me and PSUAGRO) may have been my own worst enemy because they actually added some 660 diodes at lights on the see if that would pump up flowering. If this combination shows any signs of success I say we angle to get our hands on the prototype and run it through a side by side with a few choice strains to see what our favorite weed has to say.

Nice looking plants spliff! Beautiful. I bet that's all going to smoke very nicely, especially that qrazy, shit looks.... Crazy haha. You run CO2 in your room? Also on the topic of my light choice. What would you think about a 420par Along with a couple of led panels to compliment? ( possibly on a rotating pulley that circles around the room, to eliminate variation from the led and indagro on just a select plant). I'd love to know your thoughts. I'm definitely going to be running CO2 with my inda too. Just adding my final touches to my grow room gameplan and blue prints and I'll be in business.

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The thing I've noticed about a broad spectrum approach like what the Inda-Gro phosphor blend provides is that they already flower pretty nicely. IG has a FB page that they don't link off their website or their traditional gardening FB page that you can check out @
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=283147541787837&set=a.283147535121171.45342.262974713805120&type=1&theater

The side by side work with LED's is of interest to me and many others as well including Inda-Gro. The side by side grow I was referring to earlier shows that at least with tomatoes this is an area of interest to the engineers at IG. I like that if a hybrid approach to the best producing quality and yields comes from MMJ growers pushing these lighting technology boundaries than the urban gardener ultimately gets to share in those benefits and it's companies and forum members that take the time to do side by sides that will propel this forward. Since I'll readily admit that LED is not my field of expertise I'll leave it to those experienced in LED construction and IG to conduct their own research and publish it for all to share. What I do have a problem with is while trying to determine which LED panels work best for certain applications there are LED manufacturers that refuse to post exactly what those spectrum's are as they pass them off as proprietary within their design. I for one will not support a company that is unwilling to share data that is going to affect my garden. To those LED companies that do publish your panels specifications and spectrum's you have my respect.

oh my, chaz and spliff posting again about inda gro. pretty easy to find it, everyone be smart. Find out the facts . sending email to roll it up. and going to start my own blog to get away from these infiltrators into a good source like roolitup.org

shameful

SteveyG said:

oh my, chaz and spliff posting again about inda gro. pretty easy to find it, everyone be smart. Find out the facts . sending email to roll it up. and going to start my own blog to get away from these infiltrators into a good source like roolitup.org

shameful

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hi again stevie. your grasp of the obvious is absolutely overwhelming! congrats!

yes Chaz and i are posting about Inda-Gro; it's what we use, and speaking for myself, i LOVE them.

do you notice that this forum is full of many users that tout their favorite brands? i'm not going to compile a list here to demonstrate this fact, but there are tons of users here that swear by their chosen LED brand, talk shit about others, etc... for you to get a pain in your girl parts hints to me that you are affiliated with iGrow, as you seem to only take issue with the users of other products that are, and are demonstrated to be, superior to what iGrow offers.

the facts are that we are posting solid results from these lamps, and shills like you are coming in with zero results to contribute; just an idiot's ramble about what you are going to do...

we're all still waiting for you to post your grow... this is the second post from you that i have read wherein you say that you will start your own grow and blah blah blah... so why don't you shut up and start doing?

personally i can't wait for you to post results that reiterate what i have already stated about iGrow:

they are inferior due to phosphor selection in the tubes, requiring veg and bloom lights. - Inda-Gro does both wonderfully in a single fixture.

they are too heavy. a single iGrow 400 weighs 45 lbs. an Inda-Gro Pro-420-PAR weighs 15 lbs. one iGrow 400 burned out a LightRail 3.5 for me, while i have moved 3 420s with a single LR3.5 for several months with no issues.

they have an inferior reflector design. it's too big, and the vertical ends only reflect light back to the bulb - not down to the canopy. the material it is lined with is dull (especially when compared to the reflectors that Inda-Gro builds), and has defied all of my efforts to put a mirror finish on it.

they cost too much. $1200 MSRP for an iGrow 400 vs $795 MSRP for Inda-Gro Pro-420-PAR... really? for a lower wattage, heavier piece of shit? c'mon...

i know that iGrow won't service warranty issues; they refused to service my 400 when it failed. that is what lead, in part, to me switching away from them. i landed on Inda-Gro and haven't looked back.

so ya... stop talking and start growing. post some pics or videos of what you get going, and then you can have a voice that demonstrates anything more than uneducated, unexperienced opinion.

Nice job spliff and others , you have convinced me to purchase a few Par420's this week .. I sell them at the store I help manage and before seeing the grow journals here I was skeptic .. I have a 1000 watt Halide that I plan to replace with the two .. Might even purchase another 5 units before next summers heat wave ..Again Nice Grow and show !