Inda-gro Induction...

flaxseedoil1000

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and how about, say the light is not hang properly (whats the weight of the light by the way!?) What would happen if the light falls and break the bulb while it's on? (mainly wondering about fire hazard or if the gaz would kill the plants...)
The 420 PAR is 15 pounds. One of the things they wanted to improve on over the first gen 400 was weight, the 420 is 8 pounds lighter.

I'm hanging mine with Hydrofarm 1/8" Compact Rope Ratchet (2-Pack). They say each is good for 75 pounds. I'm also gonna rig up a second support, don't wanna take any chances.

Not sure what would happen with a fall, other than I would be out $800 :(
 

flaxseedoil1000

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It's....it's....it's ALIVE!

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This is a 4x4 Secret Jardin Darkroom II Pro 120 for scale.

Power supply and light are quiet.

Image 3 - Packing is great

Image 4 - Yes it comes with a power cord (I wasn't sure), fit and finish are first rate

Image 6 - I under exposed 1 stop so you could see the tubes better, they are fat, much larger than typical tubes

Image 7,8 - The plants see it as full spectrum, we see it as about 5500k, makes for nice pics
 

Splifferous

New Member
WOOHOO!!!

great pics, and a happy tent for sure! thanks for sharing those. -=o)

i can't wait to see your lil ladies loving it up in there!
 

dabig

Member
Love to see the new folks rocking the inda-gro, keep them coming! Wish I had the money to buy now, just had to invest in a better fan to keep the heat down from these darned hps. Fully convinced thanks to spliff and others that induction is the future of cool energy efficient grow lights, not LED.
 

Splifferous

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Love to see the new folks rocking the inda-gro, keep them coming! Wish I had the money to buy now, just had to invest in a better fan to keep the heat down from these darned hps. Fully convinced thanks to spliff and others that induction is the future of cool energy efficient grow lights, not LED.
thanks for that -=o).

however, i just wanted to mention on that topic, that i firmly believe that LEDs do have their place in an indoor garden. and that would be an EXPERIMENTAL garden. allow me to explain:

the overall spectral response that plants demonstrate to the PAR spectrum is due to several different pigments and light sensing molecules. various photosynthetic pigments are sensitive to rather narrow bands of light. to name a few:

Chlorophyll A is most sensitive at about 400-450nm and at 650-700nm
Chlorophyll B absorbs mostly 450-500nm and at 600-650nm.
Xanthophyll responds to 400-530nm.
Phytochrome has 2 states, red (Pr), which is stimulated by 650-670nm and far red (Pfr) which is stimulated by 705-740nm. this molecule works to let the plants know when it's time to flower, and also helps sun loving plants to avoid the shade.

there are more pigments that i could list out, that are all just as picky about what part of the spectrum the sun provides (and then what physiology within the plant they use it for)... what i am trying to get cross is that all the plants on Earth have developed several pigments that work together to keep the plant "aware" (quotations used to hopefully avoid topical digression into a needlessly philosophical/existential tangent) of what's going on around it. what we know now of these pigments and how they work in plants is due to botanists utilizing incandescent bulbs and color cells to provide lab plants with spectrally filtered light and then observing the results. LEDs, being that you can custom tailor the nm balance of the fixture, is ideal for experimentation.

to be honest, i don't think that anyone other than a research botanist really have anything beneficial to gain in using LEDs to grow plants. and at that all they will be looking to get from the whole endeavor is a better understanding of how plants make use of the various parts of light.

even then, i would imagine that after full understanding was achieved, the verdict would be that plants do best to a full spectrum exposure with nm specific enhancement (via LED) at certain times in the plant's daily rhythm.
 

Splifferous

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as a side note, the Flower Initiator that i ordered... should be here later today...

it's output is at 730nm, which interacts with Pfr, reverting it rapidly to the Pr ground state. otherwise that process occurs over roughly 2 hours. Pr triggers the genes responsible for flowering, and for cannabis, 12-14 hours of such stimulation is required. i'm hoping the mfgr claims are accurate that this lil LED thingie will be able to trick the plant into thinking the night is actually 2 hours longer, and allowing outdoor plants to bloom early. we will soon see...

but ya... LED = Experimental :wink:
 

Splifferous

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good lookin out, man! thanks for that.

so i got the Flower Initiator in the mail today... sure is a cute lil thing... i'll take a pic of it later to post, along with a pic of the outdoor BD that's going to get to see what's up with it.

i'll also be filming a new bloom update tonight... stay tuned!
 

Splifferous

New Member
and here it is, y'all!

the Bloom Boom Room! :fire:
[video=youtube_share;YSI23B3FPQI]http://youtu.be/YSI23B3FPQI[/video]

well, that's it for the night... off to bed with me!
 

PetFlora

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thanks for that -=o).

however, i just wanted to mention on that topic, that i firmly believe that LEDs do have their place in an indoor garden. and that would be an EXPERIMENTAL garden. allow me to explain:

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to be honest, i don't think that anyone other than a research botanist really have anything beneficial to gain in using LEDs to grow plants. and at that all they will be looking to get from the whole endeavor is a better understanding of how plants make use of the various parts of light.

even then, i would imagine that after full understanding was achieved, the verdict would be that plants do best to a full spectrum exposure with nm specific enhancement (via LED) at certain times in the plant's daily rhythm.
Up until the newest Cree Neutral & Warm White LEDs I would totally agree, especially for larger grows (or tall plants).

I grow in a 2 X 4 X 6 space, but the cost of leds was > 2xs as costly, so I chose to invest in HO T5s + aquarium bulbs (432w). Just pulled my first harvest- best result I have gotten, short of 1000w MH.

The led game is rapidly changing. Analogue's thread on IC is using Kessil 350 magenta + 2 DIY rails of leds ; 2 chips/rail using 3 watt Cree Neutral Whites. The grow is ~ 4 weeks into flower, and looking sweet. Should be excellent for small personal use growers
 

PetFlora

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Awesome. You are finally heading into 'make it or break it' time.

Worst case scenario, you add some 660 leds during the last 4 weeks, but looking forward to how it goes without them
 

chazbolin

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and here it is, y'all!

the Bloom Boom Room! :fire:
[video=youtube_share;YSI23B3FPQI]http://youtu.be/YSI23B3FPQI[/video]

well, that's it for the night... off to bed with me!
Another great update brother spliff!

Speaking for myself I know I would have had a great nights sleep with dreams of where my Oregon Licorice would be in another 40 days! Amazing really in that it's only getting 6 seconds of dwell as it sits under the taller gurlz. Speaking of; that Mendo Purp is fattening up nicely. I can only imagine the aroma in that tent. How's the trichome and lower bud development coming along overall?

It'll be interesting to see if the narrow 730nm phytochrome initiator represents any lengthening of the flowering cycle. In theory it sounds like it should pack on some more weight without any sacrifices. We shall see.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Nice video update spliff...............I'm still amazed by the 420's penetration, I see healthy growth from the canopy down......great stuff......need to get my hands on one these fixtures soon;-).............be safe spliff and happy growing
 

brotherjericho

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I think the penetration power is largely due to the wattages of the bulbs. For instance, in PLLs, one 55w bulb seems to penetrate further than 2 27s. So packing so much more wattage into these induction lamps means better penetration from a single source. Similar to a 250w HPS vs a 400w for the same space.
 

brotherjericho

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Which, btw, is not a bad thing. I think that this is what could make it superior for growing compared to other fluorescent-like technologies.

As a comparison, which provides more penetration into the plant canopy, multiple 70w HPS lamps or one 250w? Sure you might get more overall top coverage with multiple lamps, but how well does that light go deep into the canopy?
 

PSUAGRO.

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I think the pros with having more smaller wattage panels outweighs a single larger light source in an indoor environment IMO......yes less penetration but the flexibility/coverage gained can't be ignored...
 

brotherjericho

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I think the pros with having more smaller wattage panels outweighs a single larger light source in an indoor environment IMO......yes less penetration but the flexibility/coverage gained can't be ignored...
I wonder...I have a homemade fixture with ~150w of PLLs. It is only for two plants. Would a single 150w induction give equal coverage with more penetration?
 

Splifferous

New Member
Awesome. You are finally heading into 'make it or break it' time.

Worst case scenario, you add some 660 leds during the last 4 weeks, but looking forward to how it goes without them
finally? lol... this is my 2nd bloom run (using the Indo-Gro lamps) that i'm posting here...

perhaps you weren't one of the 'usuals' around here when i originally posted this video from the last run, when i was harvesting the last OL (Purple Durban Poison)
[video=youtube;_lVhK6yv4r0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lVhK6yv4r0[/video]

just re-posting that, because i don't want you thinking that we are heading into uncharted territory here...
 

chazbolin

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I wonder...I have a homemade fixture with ~150w of PLLs. It is only for two plants. Would a single 150w induction give equal coverage with more penetration?[/QUOTE

You'd have to decide between the 100 and the 200 since IG doesn't make a 150. The 200 does a very nice job in small tents and I like them to maintain my mothers. I use the 100 for my clones. Since the phosphors are all the same its just a relative intensity difference between the different wattage's. And it never fails. When the babies move to the 420 they waste no time in developing dense root structure and tight internodal spacing.

I think you would be more than impressed with the 200 in terms of canopy penetration. A single 200 will cover up to a 4 x 4 area but if you are flowering with just the one 200 then the area coverage at week 9 to finish will drop to a a realistic 3 x 3 area since you'll bring the light to within a foot of the canopy.

Going to the beach today with my new puppie. This outa be fun. Later all
 
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