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Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
No, you don't sound like a dick. Just an ignorant and inexperienced person.

If you ever get to that level of meditation, you will know. But since you aren't at that level, you can't claim that it doesn't exist. We can't say that something doesn't exist because we haven't experienced it yet. That makes no sense.

Psychoactive substances are tools. They are instruments. They are doors. These substances lead your soul through ancient pathways. Pathways that are less traveled nowadays... But when you're done using those tools, you don't forget those paths. You remember them. You now have a spiritual map. Now you can travel the paths without those tools. And then you can branch of into new paths. And then you can eventually find THE path....

so have you had an hallucination by meditating? Maybe you're the ignorant one for dropping shrooms because you just believe they are tools. Maybe they are more than just tools. IDK no point in arguing with you.

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

So stimpy and ren are you saying that dead grass can grow 40 feet tall, a black hole can form on my wall, and an Indian can be floating in the air over my sofa just by meditating? That's pretty cool, I guess I am ignorant because I could have sworn I have never heard or seen anyone do anything like that just by meditating. I've heard and done it with shrooms and LSD, but not meditating.

Look all I was saying is that meditating and drugs are separate things, so why drop one? You can do both. Just like you don need shrooms or LSD to have fun you don't need meditation to have fun. But both are fun so why not do both?

husalife · Sep 21, 2011

Don't blame you at all Bro, I love to trip, but have found the feeling of déjà vu eatting me alive every time I trip here lately

lol like I have already done or been through everything I am going through. Or something like that I think.......

Stimpy and Ren · Sep 21, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
so have you had an hallucination by meditating? Maybe you're the ignorant one for dropping shrooms because you just believe they are tools. Maybe they are more than just tools. IDK no point in arguing with you.

So do you not think they are tools? Try dropping acid or eating shrooms every single weekend for your entire life, and then tell me how you feel. (If you even can at that point).

Anything is possible. To thing otherwise is insanity. We already live in an insane society. So why not think insanely?

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
So do you not think they are tools? Try dropping acid or eating shrooms every single weekend for your entire life, and then tell me how you feel. (If you even can at that point).

Anything is possible. To thing otherwise is insanity. We already live in an insane society. So why not think insanely?

I didn't say to abuse shrooms, too much of anything is bad so you gave a horrible example.
Anyways can you answer this question that I assume you ignored.
So stimpy and ren are you saying that dead grass can grow 40 feet tall, a black hole can form on my wall, and an Indian can be floating in the air over my sofa just by meditating? That's pretty cool, I guess I am ignorant because I could have sworn I have never heard or seen anyone do anything like that just by meditating. I've heard and done it with shrooms and LSD, but not meditating.

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
So do you not think they are tools? Try dropping acid or eating shrooms every single weekend for your entire life, and then tell me how you feel. (If you even can at that point).

Anything is possible. To thing otherwise is insanity. We already live in an insane society. So why not think insanely?

Have you ever hallucinated by meditating? I know I can't say it's impossible but I haven't seen or heard of meditation doing the things LSD and shrooms can do.

Stimpy and Ren · Sep 21, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
I didn't say to abuse shrooms, too much of anything is bad so you gave a horrible example.
Anyways can you answer this question that I assume you ignored.
So stimpy and ren are you saying that dead grass can grow 40 feet tall, a black hole can form on my wall, and an Indian can be floating in the air over my sofa just by meditating? That's pretty cool, I guess I am ignorant because I could have sworn I have never heard or seen anyone do anything like that just by meditating. I've heard and done it with shrooms and LSD, but not meditating.

The black hole thing, yes that is scientifically possible. The other two are also possible. However they would probably occur much less frequently than a black hole. In all of human history, we have seen some weird things. Some of those things have been recorded and then dismissed by modern society as conspiracy theories or fairy tales. But the majority have been lost with time.

Experiment with sensory deprivation sessions. It's an easy way to get into meditation. Soon you will realize that your mind has the ability to create entire worlds. And since your mind is actually creating things, shouldn't those be considered more real compared to mere "hallucinations"? One way of thinking is not enough. Many ways of thinking are not enough. New ways of thinking are required...

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
The black hole thing, yes that is scientifically possible. The other two are also possible. However they would probably occur much less frequently than a black hole. In all of human history, we have seen some weird things. Some of those things have been recorded and then dismissed by modern society as conspiracy theories or fairy tales. But the majority have been lost with time.

Experiment with sensory deprivation sessions. It's an easy way to get into meditation. Soon you will realize that your mind has the ability to create entire worlds. And since your mind is actually creating things, shouldn't those be considered more real compared to mere "hallucinations"? One way of thinking is not enough. Many ways of thinking are not enough. New ways of thinking are required...

No dude I'm saying I can see those things on shrooms and LSD. Ok then has anyone seen the things you see on shrooms and LSD just by meditating? I mean I already know the answer, I was being sarcastic to prove I'm not ignorant. You can't see the things you see on shrooms and LSD.

Stimpy and Ren · Sep 21, 2011

You threw me off with the multiple posts in a row. I'm drunk and full of stroganoff. Don't expect me to pick up on sarcasm.

:spew:

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
The black hole thing, yes that is scientifically possible. The other two are also possible. However they would probably occur much less frequently than a black hole. In all of human history, we have seen some weird things. Some of those things have been recorded and then dismissed by modern society as conspiracy theories or fairy tales. But the majority have been lost with time.

Experiment with sensory deprivation sessions. It's an easy way to get into meditation. Soon you will realize that your mind has the ability to create entire worlds. And since your mind is actually creating things, shouldn't those be considered more real compared to mere "hallucinations"? One way of thinking is not enough. Many ways of thinking are not enough. New ways of thinking are required...

Ok can you open your eyes and run in fields of flowers (that aren't really there)? No, you can't do that by meditating. Or maybe you can but it has not been done yet. Again, I'm just saying why give up shrooms and LSD? You said yourself that shrooms are a tool and meditation is natural (I'm assuming you believe meditation is natural) so if they are different then each other why even categorize them together? It shouldn't be either shrooms or meditation.

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
You threw me off with the multiple posts in a row. I'm drunk and full of stroganoff. Don't expect me to pick up on sarcasm.

Well I hope you feel better soon.

. Go get some fresh air. Anyways shrooms and LSD shouldn't be dropped just because you want to meditate. I can understand if you just want to stop dropping acid and eating shrooms, but I can't understand how you can replace tripping with meditation. Does anybody get what I'm saying?

cannabis420420 · Sep 21, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
Well I hope you feel better soon. . Go get some fresh air. Anyways shrooms and LSD shouldn't be dropped just because you want to meditate. I can understand if you just want to stop dropping acid and eating shrooms, but I can't understand how you can replace tripping with meditation. Does anybody get what I'm saying?

yes i do get what your saying

but lets just all get along

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

cannabis420420 said:
indeed i do but lets just all get along

Nah were getting along, I'm just trying to defend shrooms and LSD from being seen as a soulless tools.

But I do hope stimpy and ren feels better soon. Remember to drink plenty of water to avoid a dreadful hangover.

Stimpy and Ren · Sep 21, 2011

I get what you're saying. They can't be placed in the same category. Because meditation is ultimately superior to tripping. I don't trip though to meditate. I trip to get reconnected to the ancients. To rediscover what our ancestors already knew, and what we have forgotten. Tripping teaches you things. And just because you stop tripping doesn't mean you forget what you've learned. Those things stay with you.

I don't think there is some magical point where you can't learn anything more from tripping and you should just stop. But what I do think is that psychoactives can show you the door, but eventually, you alone must walk through them.

If society has taught us to forget, then we are also able to relearn what we have forgotten.

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
I get what you're saying. They can't be placed in the same category. Because meditation is ultimately superior to tripping. I don't trip though to meditate. I trip to get reconnected to the ancients. To rediscover what our ancestors already knew, and what we have forgotten. Tripping teaches you things. And just because you stop tripping doesn't mean you forget what you've learned. Those things stay with you.

I don't think there is some magical point where you can't learn anything more from tripping and you should just stop. But what I do think is that psychoactives can show you the door, but eventually, you alone must walk through them.

If society has taught us to forget, then we are also able to relearn what we have forgotten.

Whoah I liked your post until I reread it and read meditation is superior to tripping. No way, it just isn't I mean if someone said here it's a silent place for you to meditate or you can take my 5 grams of shrooms. Well I'm gonna take the 5gs. Maybe by meditating you can open the door to a good trip and with shrooms you're able to walk through the door. Well I guess that's your opinion and this is mine.

THENUMBER1022 · Sep 21, 2011

not to mention the fact it completely contradicts her earlier statement regarding not needing to trip anymore. women, easily impressionable

Stimpy and Ren · Sep 21, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
Whoah I liked your post until I reread it and read meditation is superior to tripping. No way, it just isn't I mean if someone said here it's a silent place for you to meditate or you can take my 5 grams of shrooms. Well I'm gonna take the 5gs. Maybe by meditating you can open the door to a good trip and with shrooms you're able to walk through the door. Well I guess that's your opinion and this is mine.

I totally agree man. It is all about preference.

In terms of pleasure and enjoyment, I feel that shrooms are superior to meditation in some respects. But I don't want to become dependent on chemicals to show me different perspectives or enlighten me.

If you come off of a fantastic shroom trip and you are basking in the after glow and you think to yourself that this was one of the greatest shroom trips ever because it allowed you to see the world through new and different perspectives and you came to multiple epiphanies about your very existence, then that's great. But those experiences should be ever-lasting. They shouldn't just dissapate a few days after the trip and then you just want another trip to experience that again. Those experiences should be embedded within you so that you can permanently see the world through that fresh perspective, instead of only when you're tripping.

I mean I love tripping. But I enjoy living life sober just as much as I do when I'm tripping. If your experiences and the things you've learned have penetrated into your very being, then every waking moment can be a "trip" in essence.

Hepheastus420 · Sep 21, 2011

Stimpy and Ren said:
I totally agree man. It is all about preference.

In terms of pleasure and enjoyment, I feel that shrooms are superior to meditation in some respects. But I don't want to become dependent on chemicals to show me different perspectives or enlighten me.

If you come off of a fantastic shroom trip and you are basking in the after glow and you think to yourself that this was one of the greatest shroom trips ever because it allowed you to see the world through new and different perspectives and you came to multiple epiphanies about your very existence, then that's great. But those experiences should be ever-lasting. They shouldn't just dissapate a few days after the trip and then you just want another trip to experience that again. Those experiences should be embedded within you so that you can permanently see the world through that fresh perspective, instead of only when you're tripping.

I mean I love tripping. But I enjoy living life sober just as much as I do when I'm tripping. If your experiences and the things you've learned have penetrated into your very being, then every waking moment can be a "trip" in essence.

First I would like to say your avatar freaked me out, ha. You just switched it up on me.
Nah I understand meditation and I give it a great deal of respect but I mean tripping is truly amazing. My whole point is pretty much there is nothing like shrooms or LSD, not even meditation. I also believe there is nothing like meditation.

Stimpy and Ren · Sep 21, 2011

I'd say that's a fair compromise we can reach.

I'm in Denton county btw. howdy!

kieranttt · Sep 21, 2011

Meditation and psychedelic drugs ect are all forms of enlightenment. Conduct them how you will and voice you're opinions as you please but i thought that is why we're all here? Enlightenment.

Dig what you're doing darth and and glad you've got some clarity.

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