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So, I was thinking of turning my closet in to a grow. The closet is about 1m*2m (39.38inch*78.73inch). Im thinking of ordering from cidly, do you think 2 Apollo 4 clusters are enough to cover the size? And since they do custom spectrums do you think this set up is good from seed to harvest
(per cluster)
3-6500k white
2-630nm red
7-660nm red
2-710/740nm far red

no it would take 4 apollo 10's. 1 apollo 10 will cover 20 inches x 44 inches - 24 inches x 48 inches. 1 apollo 4 will cover 20 inches x 20 inches - 24 inches x 24 inches

get the aquarium model so you can run more whites/ plus the aquarium leds are driven softer so they will last longer

id say go with (12 leds per cluster)

2x 630
2x 660
4x warm white 2700k
4x neutral white 4000k

or
2x 630
5x warm white
5x neutral white


the debate whether we need 660 or not is on the table still. warm whites should cover that area. trueg is having great results with an all white led apollo 8

Oh, I have clearly overestimated the lights. I could make the room smaller by dividing it but would still need 2 apollo 10s for 1m^2 (10ft^2) hmm... Maybe buy a blackstar 400w chrome panel, should cover 3x3ft at 18" so 2 of those would cover the whole room or am I misunderstanding something? How many plants can I fit in that room, I thought 4 but that may be wrong?

So the votes are in, And the lights I Chose were 4 Sg160's from Area51Lighting. Im curious do you guys think a 5x5 area would be lit generously by these 4 lights? im only doing 6 plants right now and its looking like its gonna be 5 as one was a mutant and I decided on experimenting with FIM'ing since it had ceased upward growth for 2 days due to its irregular structure. Ive got 1 LSD, 1 Laughing Buddah, 1 Pakistan Valley, one NL5(x) skunk1 and two Papaya(of 5 total papaya 3 were mutants and 1 never broke the cotyledons above the shell) One mutant still alive and the norm looks pretty healthy. The LSD, Pakistan Valley, and NL5(x)SKUNK1 look gorgeous, especially the LSD, and the Pakistan! They're looking stout and bushy and are producing lush growth allover. using a little t5 6500k set up. the plants are right at 2 weeks from solar leaves and im about to make final transplant into 5 gallon smartpots. veg for 2-3 weeks and BOOM BITCHES SG160s in your FACE! very excited about the new lights. was using 1000 watt hps for flower, on my first grow, but its too hot plus that was like 3 years ago and the bulb has certainly lost a lot of its gases and whatnot as I learned with my little 400 watt metal halide bulb from the same grow, that was used for veg. So my newest grow will be Led from here out( here as in like a week or so from now when the lights arrive) veg into flower. Cant wait, Rlly just hoping to be able to pull more than 8 zips dry from these lights and my babies, unfortunately wont be a perpetual as I am moving to a legal state in October. Wish me luck!

doughoe said:

Oh, I have clearly overestimated the lights. I could make the room smaller by dividing it but would still need 2 apollo 10s for 1m^2 (10ft^2) hmm... Maybe buy a blackstar 400w chrome panel, should cover 3x3ft at 18" so 2 of those would cover the whole room or am I misunderstanding something? How many plants can I fit in that room, I thought 4 but that may be wrong?

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I wouldn't buy a blackstar unless you really wanted to learn how to work on LED fixtures....because you have a very fair chance of needing to do so with a blackstar. Apollo typically wouldn't be my choice either but they are better than blackstar.

Have you looked at area51 lighting? Apache Tech seems to be developing some new fixtures but they haven't been transparent in the past about their specs like area51 so I hesitate...but am watching...and hope to see one in person some day for some build quality. Hans Panels - bonsaihero - are nice too but typically used on smaller grows than what you are talking about but multiples at a good deal....?? Guess you'd have to talk with Hans.

starcraftguy1988 said:

So the votes are in, And the lights I Chose were 4 Sg160's from Area51Lighting. Im curious do you guys think a 5x5 area would be lit generously by these 4 lights? im only doing 6 plants right now and its looking like its gonna be 5 as one was a mutant and I decided on experimenting with FIM'ing since it had ceased upward growth for 2 days due to its irregular structure. Ive got 1 LSD, 1 Laughing Buddah, 1 Pakistan Valley, one NL5(x) skunk1 and two Papaya(of 5 total papaya 3 were mutants and 1 never broke the cotyledons above the shell) One mutant still alive and the norm looks pretty healthy. The LSD, Pakistan Valley, and NL5(x)SKUNK1 look gorgeous, especially the LSD, and the Pakistan! They're looking stout and bushy and are producing lush growth allover. using a little t5 6500k set up. the plants are right at 2 weeks from solar leaves and im about to make final transplant into 5 gallon smartpots. veg for 2-3 weeks and BOOM BITCHES SG160s in your FACE! very excited about the new lights. was using 1000 watt hps for flower, on my first grow, but its too hot plus that was like 3 years ago and the bulb has certainly lost a lot of its gases and whatnot as I learned with my little 400 watt metal halide bulb from the same grow, that was used for veg. So my newest grow will be Led from here out( here as in like a week or so from now when the lights arrive) veg into flower. Cant wait, Rlly just hoping to be able to pull more than 8 zips dry from these lights and my babies, unfortunately wont be a perpetual as I am moving to a legal state in October. Wish me luck!

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Right On 4 SGS's In A 5X5 Tent Will Do Your Ladies Some Justice.Heres A Pic Of My SGS's In A 35x54 Tent

jcmjrt said:

I wouldn't buy a blackstar unless you really wanted to learn how to work on LED fixtures....because you have a very fair chance of needing to do so with a blackstar. Apollo typically wouldn't be my choice either but they are better than blackstar.

Have you looked at area51 lighting? Apache Tech seems to be developing some new fixtures but they haven't been transparent in the past about their specs like area51 so I hesitate...but am watching...and hope to see one in person some day for some build quality. Hans Panels - bonsaihero - are nice too but typically used on smaller grows than what you are talking about but multiples at a good deal....?? Guess you'd have to talk with Hans.

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Hmm, always nice to learn, but not forced to.
Been looking at area51 and apache, but they were so expensive so gave it up. But Im not setting up my grow for a while and its good to know what price range Im looking at, better save money for now.

The Dawg said:

Right On 4 SGS's In A 5X5 Tent Will Do Your Ladies Some Justice.Heres A Pic Of My SGS's In A 35x54 Tent

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Holy Shit, the one on the left is a fucking tree!, when do you clear out the bottom foliage? Ive heard, estimate once the stretch is done, if you go with that method. Im going to try it. Btw if I have about 4 different layers of leaves, working on 5 or 6 blade fanleaves, when should I top/ FIM and is one better, Ive heard FIM gives more tops, which makes it easier to train, it would appear, as far as getting a good spread of colas. Im only gonna have about 3-4 more weeks to veg and part of that will be expanding a massive root system into these 5 gallon smart grows. so I don't think the plants will be too big. Probably be ok to top/ Fim each one and train from there and hopefully not kill all of them... I Hear its worth the risk!

doughoe said:

Hmm, always nice to learn, but not forced to.
Been looking at area51 and apache, but they were so expensive so gave it up. But Im not setting up my grow for a while and its good to know what price range Im looking at, better save money for now.

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Doug, don't make the mistake of assuming sticker price is final offer, (although at over 1g for an apache, I put them with lumigrow, and would only use them if I could afford to drop 3500 or more for lights as I cant have just one!!) I emailed dozens of providers.... ok maybe like 12 total... I ended up with a lot of good offers, at the end of the day I chose four SG160s over Four 200W CLW Solar flares. It goes without saying that I ended up with a great deal... Hundreds under sticker price! Save some money and get a bulk order, most places will give a discount. Good luck!!!! Avoid Black star, Only company i contacted that told me their price was already too low and URGED me to buy now before the put the prices back at the regular rate! I was like... "only a one year warranty... Sounds shotty" but some people love blackstar.

Im looking to grow a couple of small plants under LED, my grow space is only small 46"Hx28"Lx19"W . Ive been looking at purchasing a Cree 135w LED Grow Light - Ufo .

1. Will this suffice for this space ?
2. I read elsewhere that LED`s do actually give of quite a bit of heat, Would this be a problem with such a small space?
3.Could you recommend any other LED Light, The Cree Ufo im looking at is £150 although the same place do a similair 135w led ufo but its only £95 (see pic) is it worth spending the extra?

tia for any advice

How many LEDs do you guys think i should get to grow about 30 indica plants ?
I was thinking of picking up the California Light Works Solar Storm 800W LED Grow Light? Maybe 2
or do you guys think the DS XML 350 is better?

depends on how big they are, veg longer , bigger plants and depends on growing method. depends on size of grow area. more details

the favored leds right now are area 51 and apache tech and diy leds

fatc2k3 said:

Im looking to grow a couple of small plants under LED, my grow space is only small 46"Hx28"Lx19"W . Ive been looking at purchasing a Cree 135w LED Grow Light - Ufo .

1. Will this suffice for this space ?
2. I read elsewhere that LED`s do actually give of quite a bit of heat, Would this be a problem with such a small space?
3.Could you recommend any other LED Light, The Cree Ufo im looking at is £150 although the same place do a similair 135w led ufo but its only £95 (see pic) is it worth spending the extra?

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1. No..maybe not even for veg and definitely not for flower. Go back and read at least the first few pages of this sticky.
2. LED heat isn't like HPS - no IR which heats up every surface including your leaves. That said higher quality LED fixtures produce relatively less heat because it is using power more efficiently to make light...what you want right? The downside is that it costs up front.
3. There are LED fixtures which could work well in your space but not for the money you are looking to spend. Take a look at T5HO or Ceramic Metal Halide (CMH). If you want to save a few more dollars for LED, check out area51 lighting, and bonsaihero.com. These are both some of the best commercial offerings out there.

hyroot said:

depends on how big they are, veg longer , bigger plants and depends on growing method. depends on size of grow area. more details

the favored leds right now are area 51 and apache tech and diy leds

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Im going for small wide planets about 4 ft . im still looking for a grow area but i know it will be big enough.
Just need figure out a rough estimate of how many LEDS i should get for about 30 plants 4ft plants.

how many area 51s or apache would you get.

jcmjrt said:

1. No..maybe not even for veg and definitely not for flower. Go back and read at least the first few pages of this sticky.
2. LED heat isn't like HPS - no IR which heats up every surface including your leaves. That said higher quality LED fixtures produce relatively less heat because it is using power more efficiently to make light...what you want right? The downside is that it costs up front.
3. There are LED fixtures which could work well in your space but not for the money you are looking to spend. Take a look at T5HO or Ceramic Metal Halide (CMH). If you want to save a few more dollars for LED, check out area51 lighting, and bonsaihero.com. These are both some of the best commercial offerings out there.

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I did read through the first few pages , are u sure the light will be no good in that space ? its only a small cupboard?

realestate said:

Im going for small wide planets about 4 ft . im still looking for a grow area but i know it will be big enough.
Just need figure out a rough estimate of how many LEDS i should get for about 30 plants 4ft plants.

how many area 51s or apache would you get.

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6 Apaches or 6 a51 will cover a 4x8. I'm guessing your area will be an 8 x 8. So probably 10- 12 of either. Maybe 8 panels if you use light movers.

fatc2k3 said:

I did read through the first few pages , are u sure the light will be no good in that space ? its only a small cupboard?

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Did you not say that it's 28 x 19...so over 2ft x about 1 1/2ft...which isn't really small. I'd go for one Hans Panel and maybe add a couple warm white CFLs in the corners for a little white light (a little white light is a nice thing). You might want to talk with Eraserhead how well the area51 would do at 28 x 19...it's close on being maybe a little overkill but you've got some height to work with...talk with him...it doesn't cost anything and he seems like a straight guy.

realestate said:

Im going for small wide planets about 4 ft . im still looking for a grow area but i know it will be big enough.
Just need figure out a rough estimate of how many LEDS i should get for about 30 plants 4ft plants.

how many area 51s or apache would you get.

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The space size is more important than the number of plants as far as planning goes. But probably 10 apache's/A51's minimum if you want to do it right.

The new apache units will be game changers for sure, but they are 4 weeks+ from available(after the max yield probably). If you can't wait then A51 all day. Their current sale makes makes it a no brainer.

hyroot said:

6 Apaches or 6 a51 will cover a 4x8. I'm guessing your area will be an 8 x 8. So probably 10- 12 of either. Maybe 8 panels if you use light movers.

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10 to 12 Apache's will cost you between 8-13 k depending on their bartering policies at apache. And unless I see people getting more than 1g a watt from a unit like that, i wont pay 7$ a watt because its just a bit much for any light, think about it.... Once you include water ,electricity, nutes(if u use them)medium, systems, tents, Etc... for one of those lights to be profitable in a grow scenario, my rule of thumb is that the light must pay for itself atleast on every run. So yeah if you can get 160 -180gs off that Apache tech then I'd say its well worth the 1099 or whatever you work out, that's looking like some money made on the light, but if your closer to the 80 to 120 area, you aren't even breaking even on the light, minus everything else!! The only way id Get those lights is if I had capitol to purchase 10 -12 or more of them, and id only do it if they made me an incredible offer, allowing my minimum harvest to go down significantly.
I guess I didn't take into account those who just grow for themselves, but honestly no one Ever used 12 Apache's to grow their own medical stash, without parting some of that off for reimbursment, or donations, or whatever you want to say. Just saying as most people on here are normal folks IE: poor/middle class without 10s of thousands of dollars to spend on lighting it makes more sense to give them advice on good to ok lights that are More reasonably priced, Like Blackstar, cidly(apollo), eshine(Manufacturer of Advanced LED), California Lightworks=good choice, Area 51=good choice as you said, The HANS panel and many others that are developing as we speak. These are much better choices for people who do not have money for APACHE/LUMIGROW.....Because im pretty sure that everyone would have those lights in their grow journals/rooms if they could afford them. I wont lie tho I'm set on getting 2 of the Lumigrow 650s ES after a few harvests those things look fucking solid! and still at about 3 $ a watt, its more affordable than Apache at 7$ a watt considering That 4 Apaches wouldn't out perform 1 lumigrow 650 es by enough to make the price paid worth it. 4 Apaches = 600 -620 watts at the plug roughly, 1 Lumigrow 650 es=600-650 watts/ 4 Apaches = $4000/ 1Lumigrow 650= $1600, the results here are pretty obvious.....
At the end of the day, its all opinion anyways. If you have the money, then should do whatever you want... Good luck with your lighting quest!!! took me roughlly a month to decide on a company/light but i also researched every day until i just couldnt any more. So yeah Id say if you were still choosing between the area 51 and apache, Area 51 is an easy choice as their warranty is unbeatable, and their product is awesome, at a reasonable price. Once again Good luck and godspeed!

^^^ you pay for what you get.,.. blackdog, stealthgrow , and a few others are $2000 for the same foot print with lower quality leds
apache at120 is $750 and the a51 sgs is $590. both all cree leds. you would need 3 times the watts of apollos. for the same foot print. hans is good too. just a smaller foot print and no white leds,,,

if you want to save a buck and get good perfomance with same efficiency , go cmh. philips allstart 330w $200 total to cover 3x3 - 3x4