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PSUAGRO.

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Greetings all. This is my first post and second grow. Last grow i was convinced to use an hps and it was an almost total failure since I don't have the ventilation.

However I was given a GLH spectra 300w free (no markings and all I got was the company name growledhydro I assume its not the 290 since the power draw is 305w)

I'm having some trouble with this light and I think its due to height placement and maybe the girls are too young for that intensity at 24” There seem to be some conflict on this light and no direct info for this specific light's hight. IMHO this thing is super powerful since it turned my tomato seedlings purple and crisped the leaves. A week after i put them in the window they started to recover. I'm no teven sure if the light puts out the right spectrum.

Plants are 30 days old (amnesia lemon, nlx diamond auto, super haze, and red poison auto) and only 3" tall!!!!!!! Is 3" normal for that age? My daphadills are tripple the size and started showing the same day. i planted on 3/7/14 - The NLX diamond auto is super small compared to the rest and its leaves are so green they feel brittle. Its almost like I burned them with the light of god. I figured the plants were just getting too much light and never stretched. I raised the light for a week and they started showing signs of N defficinacy. The red poison and super haze seem ok, but again..seemingly stunted with N def signs. The red poison is an auto and already showing hairs on top...at 3"...seems odd and that's why I'm posting.

I've since moved the girls under some clf's and though the plants don't look healthier at least the Red poison and super haze are screeching now after 24 hours. I ordered the apollo gp60led as a backup and just to try another led and see my results.

Last grow I got clones that went straight into flower. My buddy that was helping me in exchange for computer repair gave me the clones was wasnt sharing info with me and turned out to be a pushy closed minded LED hater. Would have been nice to also have brought one over I could a cloned but oh well.

I figured maybe I need a par meter to place this beast since some of the glh light are inconsistent. Not sure...

Advice welcomed, and info on both lights I mentioned too.
Yeah the spectra's 2010+ models where known to cause growers all kind of problems...........I think mike even offered "step down" drivers for the affected fixtures??

your best bet is to pm growers that are still using them.............I know Schwagbag still has them in the veg room, he did give up using them for flower though.

I don't think a par meter will help............It's something to do about that unfavorable spectrum, IDK
 

BlackMesa

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So I finally gave up trying to get one of those iBeam induction lights, ordered a Sublime Illuminations 670 watt hybrid LED Induction instead. It's built by Bysen, but Sublime has it's own spectrum, it's serviced in the U.S., and the guy isn't trying to hide anything. I know exactly what I'm getting, the heatsinks, diodes and lenses aren't quite as top notch as HGL (or as expensive)...

Whatever, it's the only light with induction/cfl/led bulb sockets sticking out, and the square foot coverage cost is by far the best among options I'm looking at. If I like it I'll get more, or the next new thing in LED. In the winter I'll probably stick with Metal Halide. HPS gives me headaches.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sublime-illuminations-leds/457812694290128

http://www.sublimeilluminationsleds.com/

If you scroll down the Facebook page there are some nice images and LED info. He's got good deals on Helios too.
Does induction match led or hps watt for watt or is it simply ever lasting non lumen dropping cfl? I am interested in trying one but at that price it needs to at least match hps, my biggest reason using leds is the low heat but have read that you can get even closer with induction. interesting stuff!
 

CaliWorthington

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Does induction match led or hps watt for watt or is it simply ever lasting non lumen dropping cfl? I am interested in trying one but at that price it needs to at least match hps, my biggest reason using leds is the low heat but have read that you can get even closer with induction. interesting stuff!
Neither induction, nor LED matches HPS watt for watt, but they can achieve similar coverage with roughly 2/3 the wattage and less cooling. The light I bought has 540 watts of led, plus 130 watts from the two induction bulbs. This light will cover a 4'x'4 footprint, that was the idea. I don't really want to hang 10 lights in 64 sq ft. If I don't like it, I won't buy another 3, I'll try something else.

When I spoke to that hydro shop that tested the iBeam, and mentioned LED, the first thing he said was that plants need more than just PAR to grow, they need radiant heat as well. This has been my logic all along, it's one reason I was planning an induction/LED hybrid grow in the first place.

Heat and electrical consumption are my main reasons for trying LED/induction as well. And I'm not saying everyone should go out and buy this brand. It's just that, when it came to actually taking money out of my pocket, I decided to test the waters with something cheaper first. If I like LED growing, I'll consider HGL, Apache, etc... But if this works for a few years, I'd rather save the money. This tech is moving so fast, something else will come along.
 
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Gorfaal

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Hey guys,

For a complete noob (as in never have grown) would you suggest the SolarStorm 440x? I've been doing extensive research and it seems like a solid light that would fit my space/plan perfectly. It also seems much simpler to set up for a beginner if you can invest the large upfront cost.

I was going to get a 3x3 tent and the SolarStorm 440x and try and pull off a scrog grow with Northern Lights Autoflower -- does this sound feasible for a first time grow? Is it a pipe dream to think I'll recoup cost after the first grow?

Thanks!!
 

puffenuff

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Hey guys,

For a complete noob (as in never have grown) would you suggest the SolarStorm 440x? I've been doing extensive research and it seems like a solid light that would fit my space/plan perfectly. It also seems much simpler to set up for a beginner if you can invest the large upfront cost.

I was going to get a 3x3 tent and the SolarStorm 440x and try and pull off a scrog grow with Northern Lights Autoflower -- does this sound feasible for a first time grow? Is it a pipe dream to think I'll recoup cost after the first grow?

Thanks!!
I say go for it. California lightworks make some great lights. I think the 440 will be great for your plan. Not sure about the yield on that auto, but you can expect to recoup your investment after a couple grows whether that is from selling the harvest or in savings from not having to buy your meds. If you can, apply for their growers feedback program and do a journal in exchange for a hefty discount. Good luck.
 

Gorfaal

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Thanks man! I'm stoked to hear that my plan is feasible! Is there another strain that you could recommend me researching that would work well under the SolarStorm as a scrog?

Thanks for your help!
 

puffenuff

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No problem. Happy to help. Well, me, personally, i prefer photo period strains over autos. I know some folks really like autos but when I grew a couple I had a hard time getting them to finish and ended up on a 12/12 schedule anyway. Pretty much any strain will do well under that light. Just go with something that sounds good by the genetics or go with something you've smoked before and enjoyed. I'd recommend something in the 8 week bloom range, probably an indica of hybrid for your first try. In my experience, sativas can be a bit trickier to grow.
 

Buddha's Belly

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Yeah the spectra's 2010+ models where known to cause growers all kind of problems...........I think mike even offered "step down" drivers for the affected fixtures??

your best bet is to pm growers that are still using them.............I know Schwagbag still has them in the veg room, he did give up using them for flower though.

I don't think a par meter will help............It's something to do about that unfavorable spectrum, IDK
Cool,
Yeah the spectra's 2010+ models where known to cause growers all kind of problems...........I think mike even offered "step down" drivers for the affected fixtures??

your best bet is to pm growers that are still using them.............I know Schwagbag still has them in the veg room, he did give up using them for flower though.

I don't think a par meter will help............It's something to do about that unfavorable spectrum, IDK
Thanks, that makes sense. Since the light was free I'd even be willing to make the part change myself if I can find out what driver to use. I'd hate to send it to mike and get it back years later. Cool, I know who swagbag is, I can't stop looking at that ass! HA!

So me buying the Apollo as a temp solution wasn't a bad idea....always good to have a spare.

On another note is there a DIY kit for LEDs that's cheaper than the make.com kit? I'm a huge DIYer but it seems a lot to pay 300 for a kit that's only 80w.
 

Gorfaal

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No problem. Happy to help. Well, me, personally, i prefer photo period strains over autos. I know some folks really like autos but when I grew a couple I had a hard time getting them to finish and ended up on a 12/12 schedule anyway. Pretty much any strain will do well under that light. Just go with something that sounds good by the genetics or go with something you've smoked before and enjoyed. I'd recommend something in the 8 week bloom range, probably an indica of hybrid for your first try. In my experience, sativas can be a bit trickier to grow.
Awesome thanks man! After your advice I think I'm going to pick Lost Coast OG as it seemed to meet your recommendations!
 

hyroot

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Does induction match led or hps watt for watt or is it simply ever lasting non lumen dropping cfl? I am interested in trying one but at that price it needs to at least match hps, my biggest reason using leds is the low heat but have read that you can get even closer with induction. interesting stuff!
3 inda gro 420's will match yield of two 1000w hps, but with better coverage than hps. With led add on pontoons. They will beat 2 1000w hps. I use them. Greengenes , Chaz, scarhole, urbanpharmer, natrohydro, and a few others on here use them with great results too. Induction bulbs last 10 years. Lumen / spectral depreciation occurs after 7 years or 70,000 hours. Inda gro's have a 10 year warranty too. They can be kept at 12 inches away, with pontoons 16 inches away. Being able to have a light closer doesn't mean anything imo. Keeping proper distance base on umole/s is what matters.
 
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NOVA S4 180W LED

http://www.advancedledgrow.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=65&product_id=97

Will this light effectively handle 3 Autoflowers (First grow will be 3 Sweet Dark Devil Autos) in a 2x4x4 closet?

Or do I have to bump up to something like this:

http://www.advancedledgrow.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=63&product_id=79

I've done so much research that my head is spinning...this looks like a quality choice to me but could use the input.

Sidenote: Has anyone else seen the New 5th Gen Grow Sun 160S 160W with 20W LED's??? New Hotness or Hype?

http://www.advancedledgrow.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25&product_id=57
 
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Myles117

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ill be picking up my first indagrow 420 with pontoons as soon as it arrives at my local shop :) very excited, will be ordering quite a few more if the trial run leaves me feeling like i can trash my sodium monsters
 

hyroot

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ill be picking up my first indagrow 420 with pontoons as soon as it arrives at my local shop :) very excited, will be ordering quite a few more if the trial run leaves me feeling like i can trash my sodium monsters
you can order directly from inda gro too. I suggest calling them first before placing order.
 

Myles117

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i like to avoid having that much hardware shipped my way even with my medical clearance. im payin 1550 for the one, will the savings be worth it ordering direct?

cheers
 

Buddha's Belly

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Yeah the spectra's 2010+ models where known to cause growers all kind of problems...........I think mike even offered "step down" drivers for the affected fixtures??

your best bet is to pm growers that are still using them.............I know Schwagbag still has them in the veg room, he did give up using them for flower though.

I don't think a par meter will help............It's something to do about that unfavorable spectrum, IDK
I can't seem to pm...I don't see the button or something. I have at least ten posts and one topic I started. Not sure what's up, perhaps its cuz I'm on a droid tablet? However, my back up light arrived but I need to know how high to place it. Its an Apollo 180w led. So far its at 24"
 

Cococola36

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3 inda gro 420's will match yield of two 1000w hps, but with better coverage than hps. With led add on pontoons. They will beat 2 1000w hps. I use them. Greengenes , Chaz, scarhole, urbanpharmer, natrohydro, and a few others on here use them with great results too. Induction bulbs last 10 years. Lumen / spectral depreciation occurs after 7 years or 70,000 hours. Inda gro's have a 10 year warranty too. They can be kept at 12 inches away, with pontoons 16 inches away. Being able to have a light closer doesn't mean anything imo. Keeping proper distance base on umole/s is what matters.
Man Hyroot you just had to tingle my senses with this post didn't you? hahaha Soooo not saying im ready to switch but with summer months even 860 watt cmh will be a battle to cool...so lets say i need to make up for my two 860 cmh and one 1000 watt in a 6x12 ft room? (5x10.5 ft of actual plant canopy) How many would i need based on your knowledge?
 

hyroot

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Man Hyroot you just had to tingle my senses with this post didn't you? hahaha Soooo not saying im ready to switch but with summer months even 860 watt cmh will be a battle to cool...so lets say i need to make up for my two 860 cmh and one 1000 watt in a 6x12 ft room? (5x10.5 ft of actual plant canopy) How many would i need based on your knowledge?
that's a tuffy. I'd guess 2 inda gro's to an 860 CMH. 3 ig's might match 2 860 cmh's. The 860's obviously outperforms 1000w's.....
 
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