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Mellodrama

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does the rw75 use 5w crees?
Yes. The great thing about buying a panel from a reputable source is you don't have to be an expert on wattage and PAR and umoles and binning and etc. Just buy it. Then hang it securely (I'd suggest four rope ratchets and four separate pieces of nylon cord) and you can move on to all the other details.
 

mauricem00

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any comments on using a combination of led and T5 lighting I am using 4 10 watt warm white leds directly over my plants (2 pe plant 20watts total) and 4 T5 lamps directly next to the led (2 each side) the lamps are 6500k on the inside and red wave growth wave on the outside. it seems that T5s give better coverage of the blue segment while warm whites cover the red spectrum better. the red wave is an aquarium light that gives broad coverage in both and and blue but the leds increase coverage in the red spectrum.maybe I am overthinking this but my training was in electrical engineering and I enjoy designing DIY projects. the 10 watt warm white led modules cost $1.39 each on ebay and a 12 volt 5 amp power supply to run them the fan to cool them cost$8.69 so this was not a high budget grow light. just a fun experiment.
 

mauricem00

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EDSTONX.I run 5 24" T5 ho bulbs in a 2 foot by 3 foot closet with no ventilation except for what leaks under the door and have no problem with heat. I use red wave ultra growth wave 24 watt tubes (120 watts total) and when open the door to check my plants the temperature inside the closet is only 5 degrees warmer than the rest of the house. I don't think heat will be an issue with T5 side lighting. they don't seem to generate any more heat than my 50 watt warm white leds (ebay specials) that I use for supplemental lighting
 

OutofLEDCloset

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Thanks Mello! Im placing my order now for the rw75. Going to buy one, see how it does. Then hopefully it does well for me so I can get a second. I dig the daisy chaining. I think they come 240V compatible. So if I wanted to start a grow journal. Where should I post?
 

OutofLEDCloset

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The side lighting is nice. Looking into UV lighting to bolster the resin production on bottom half of buds. Use both led and the t5 its valuable! They love the full spectrum!
 

Miley T

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Yes. The great thing about buying a panel from a reputable source is you don't have to be an expert on wattage and PAR and umoles and binning and etc. Just buy it. Then hang it securely (I'd suggest four rope ratchets and four separate pieces of nylon cord) and you can move on to all the other details.
It pains me to say this since I bought an XGS190 just a few months ago, but I think two of the smaller new panels would be more effective. Just my 2 cents...

One thing I've noticed, even in a grow space coated with mylar, is the intensity appears to drop off quickly once you get outside the panel's dimensions. I'm a newbie, so grain of salt, but if I had it to do over again I'd get two smaller panels instead of one bigger.
So this says go with many small lights.... by a reputable source.
In Large/Commercial operations I would shy away from active cooled panels IMO

http://www.illumitex.com/illumitex-neosol-led-vs-hps/ either the neosol 300w or 520w, covers a large area(for an led) per panel. Dust and waterproof with NO FANS to push moisture into the housing. The dimming feature on the 520 is a nice option. NOT CHEAP though

good luck
Iv actually looked at the illumitex lighting, both the neosol line and their safari line (both use the surexi horticulture led by illumitex), but im shying away from them. Great quality, but extreme cost (for the 520 at least), and after speaking with their sales dept, they were not interested in bulk pricing for any less than 100 units... I dont have 200k to put into this lol

Looking for same (or closest) Horticultural quality (bands/par, umol/m2 etc), less cost.

area 51 all the way. 1/4 of the cost and same coverage and better quality of that of lush. If you want lush you can get it straight from the manufacturer for far less than lush price. A51 is far superior.
I hate to sound like a broken record but if you want something bullet proof to try on a 4x4 area I would go with Area 51.
The new model comes out the beginning of the month and for a 4x4 I would get 2 RW-150's or 4 RW-75's if you want more canopy adjustment. You may need to add a little side lighting depending on how tight the plants are spaced in a 4x4 or go with five of the RW-75's.
There are a ton of grows here in the LED section with last years model the SGS-160, the RW is very close to the same but with a little more red in flower mode and a little more blue in veg mode.
With their quality,warranty and price they're hard to beat,being USA based helps too if something minor goes wrong and your mechanically incline Jeff can ship you replacement parts so you can fix it your self without having to ship the whole unit for repair,you wont have to ship it to china like a lot of the budget panels. He even offers replacement or upgrade parts at a wholesale price,check out warranty info on the site.
And more A51 repping. So, we know about A51s quality, but what about Performance. Im looking to flower multiple 4x4, 4x8, or variation tables and am running into some deadlines.

Is it safe to say that RIU is A51 all the way?
 

Mellodrama

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Im placing my order now for the rw75.
LEDCloset, I'm very glad to read that monkeychief's "PM me and I'll set you up with the super fantastic light that I won't describe in the open forums" ploy didn't work.

To Miley T, I don't think it'd be accurate to say that RIU is "A51 all the way". IMO RIU hosts a lot of open and relatively agenda-free discussions regarding various lights, the science behind the lights, and some pretty in-depth DIY too. A51 keeps popping up as a good choice, but not to the exclusion of all others.

If A51 has a following on RIU, I'd like to think that's results-based.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Iv actually looked at the illumitex lighting said:
These mofo's are pricing themselves out of most people's budgets!!................I don't get it.

well you can look at a illumitex "knock off" BML's spyder panel http://www.bmlhorticulture.com/spydr-600-grow-max-spectrum/ NOT the same umol/par #'s as the illumitex, but in a 3x3 SOG environment it should work...........still would prefer passive cooled panels in a large op, no offense to area 51 and the rest of the active cooled panels. It's just less worry(also fan failure/junction temps) when your electronics are SEALED from moisture and dust when dealing with a commercial operation(employees do dumb things:P).

If quality and power savings are on top of your list you may also want to look at currently the best CMH bulb http://growershouse.com/sun-system-lec-315-light-emitting-ceramic-mh-fixture-120v the 240v option is even cheaper, covers a 3x3 @ $500 a pop, highest par/umol per watt on the indoor light tech market ATM. Very low lumen depreciation(for hid), open fixture rated, etc.

Even check out indagro Induction, I'm sure daryl would give discounts on bulk .............10yr warranty is very nice on a big investment.

good luck and be safe
 

Don Styln

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These mofo's are pricing themselves out of most people's budgets!!................I don't get it.

well you can look at a illumitex "knock off" BML's spyder panel http://www.bmlhorticulture.com/spydr-600-grow-max-spectrum/ NOT the same umol/par #'s as the illumitex, but in a 3x3 SOG environment it should work...........still would prefer passive cooled panels in a large op, no offense to area 51 and the rest of the active cooled panels. It's just less worry(also fan failure/junction temps) when your electronics are SEALED from moisture and dust when dealing with a commercial operation(employees do dumb things:P).

If quality and power savings are on top of your list you may also want to look at currently the best CMH bulb http://growershouse.com/sun-system-lec-315-light-emitting-ceramic-mh-fixture-120v the 240v option is even cheaper, covers a 3x3 @ $500 a pop, highest par/umol per watt on the indoor light tech market ATM. Very low lumen depreciation(for hid), open fixture rated, etc.

Even check out indagro Induction, I'm sure daryl would give discounts on bulk .............10yr warranty is very nice on a big investment.

good luck and be safe
This is the first I have heard of induction lights. They sound fascinating.

Anyone know how the Pro-420-PAR-Pontoon might stack up against HID and LED (Area 51, AT) quality and production wise?

The question is, how does it work in real life with what we grow in comparison to Area 51 and AT?
 

NOCOGROWER

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Sifting through the thread Ive only found one mention of the KIND led (There may be several others but due to the length of the thread I couldn't take any more searching). I Have just finished my initial test with the KIND L600 just running it over a 3x2 tray growing 2 plants, 1 blue dream and 1 Hollands Hope. I had 6 others (also Blue Dream and Hollands Hope) plants running under a 1000 watt HPS in the same room but had the plants completly seprated with reflective material so there was no shared light. I had 90 days to make my decision on the KIND Led and after getting a massive increase in yield and density, as well as out performing the 1000 watt HPS I will be swithcing my entired grow over to 6 of these LED's and running them over a 8x4 area.

Im Going to first finish a test im doing with the IGrow induction light. It has done very well in veg and I will run 4 plants under it for the flower and compare again to the 1000w HPS. Unless something spectacular happens with it however I still plan to change over to the KIND LEDs as I am limited in available power and am just short of being able to run 2 1000w HPS's but can manage to squeek in 6 of the LED's. Might then sell off the IGrow to help cover the cost of 5 more LED's.

Anyone else had a good experience with the KIND and made the change?

By the way I'm new to the forums, this is in fact my first post and new to growing. Been at it for about 8-9 months and this was my 3rd harvest. I have 3 good mentors and am enjoying it more then I have enjoyed anything in a long time. I'm hooked for life!
 

flaiks

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I am looking for an LED setup for a 28'x55'72' hydrohut silver edition, i want to get as close to a 600w hps as I can. I am quite impressed with what everyone is saying about the area 51 leds. Wondering if I should do 3 xgs-190's, or 2 xgs-190s and 2 rw-75's ?
 

OutofLEDCloset

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just bought first led. the a51 rw75. thanks for the help. will try one and maybe a second. will start a journal with some testers im doing for a so cal breeder. where should I start the journal?
 

Mellodrama

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There's a sub-forum called "Grow Journals". But it looks to me like some guys start their journals in the "LED" sub-forum. I'm guessin' that's because the grow is as much about the lights as anything else.
 

hyroot

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Sifting through the thread Ive only found one mention of the KIND led (There may be several others but due to the length of the thread I couldn't take any more searching). I Have just finished my initial test with the KIND L600 just running it over a 3x2 tray growing 2 plants, 1 blue dream and 1 Hollands Hope. I had 6 others (also Blue Dream and Hollands Hope) plants running under a 1000 watt HPS in the same room but had the plants completly seprated with reflective material so there was no shared light. I had 90 days to make my decision on the KIND Led and after getting a massive increase in yield and density, as well as out performing the 1000 watt HPS I will be swithcing my entired grow over to 6 of these LED's and running them over a 8x4 area.

Im Going to first finish a test im doing with the IGrow induction light. It has done very well in veg and I will run 4 plants under it for the flower and compare again to the 1000w HPS. Unless something spectacular happens with it however I still plan to change over to the KIND LEDs as I am limited in available power and am just short of being able to run 2 1000w HPS's but can manage to squeek in 6 of the LED's. Might then sell off the IGrow to help cover the cost of 5 more LED's.

Anyone else had a good experience with the KIND and made the change?

By the way I'm new to the forums, this is in fact my first post and new to growing. Been at it for about 8-9 months and this was my 3rd harvest. I have 3 good mentors and am enjoying it more then I have enjoyed anything in a long time. I'm hooked for life!
kind led are low quality led panels that use low bin led. They are rebranded apollos from cidly. Don't waste your money. There are much better options. Igrow are horrible too. That company lies more than any other company. Their lights are Chinese. Its illegal to build florescent bulbs in the U.S. epa banned them. There is no such thing as a USDA approved light. USDA inspects food and food processing plants and grocery stores.
inda gro is the only way to go for induction. For led area51, apache, and Hans are the best panels out.
 

FranJan

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Hello,

Which kind of LED is ideal for a mother plant? Can I use the same for seedling? Any advice will be appreciated
Even though a lot of panels will veg well if you're going to run it 20 hours a day you'll want something with some kind of quality and the Hans panel (bonsaihero.com) will certainly fit that bill there. He even makes a panel specifically for Moms. If you must go budget a panel from the Evergrow factory should last, or something from Blackstar just for the warranty support. Good Luck.
 

BlackMesa

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Thinking to buy an blackstar 240W. The grow tent is 80cm x 80cm x 160cm.
What do you guys think about this led lamp?
I would recommend the LG 300w ebay chinese panels over the Blackstar (I have both). The Blackstars work great for me but the LG's work even better and have way better heatsinks and lack the UV diode that fry's out in Blackstars. The LG is also half the price with 20 more 3w diodes. I have had trouble with the longevity of the blackstars so I would recommend the LG since you can buy 2 for the same price and have one for back up.

Blackstars got me into using LED and getting 1 gram per watt is completely doable in conjunction with a DWC or bubbleponics system, so I would say it's a good starting panel and hopefully the newest units have upgraded heatsinks with fins like the LG's. I do have some Blackstars that have been in service going on 3 years so getting a good one is certainly possible. Having said that I would still go to the LG's.
 

BlackMesa

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Hello,

Which kind of LED is ideal for a mother plant? Can I use the same for seedling? Any advice will be appreciated
Honestly I would never recommend a LED for a mother, it doesn't make any economical sense, same goes for seedlings. CFL makes the most sense in most scenarios because it is very affordable, both in investment and ongoing. Mothers don't require massive light and seedling require even less.

Now if money is't a consideration, LED's will work great but having don't both myself, I didn't see much of a difference except putting unnecessary miles on my more expensive LED's.
 
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