I think flushing is a myth heres why

Ninjabowler said:

This thread is still rockin because nobody has killed the bull in this bull fight. Everyones just adding thier two cents and B.S. and theres been just about zero actual science added, about weed, not tomatos, tobbacco, bananas, or oranges. So far my recap has it with no flush posting a long ass list of links to things not related to ganja at all and im pissed that i wasted all that time reading about curing when the debate is about flushing, not apple fucking trees, stupid cigars, chocolate, or egg incubators. Furthermore the poster of this data makes just as many points for flushing as not flushing...

"Pre harvest flushing is a controversial topic. Flushing is supposed to improve taste of the final bud by either giving only pure water, clearing solutions or extensive flushing for the last 7-14 days of flowering. While many growers claim a positive effect, others deny any positive influence or even suggest reduced yield and quality. ".....wow this is conclusive...nope

"Not all nutrient compounds are moveable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.


2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.


http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu


Storage organelles:


Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.


http://jeb.biologists.org.pdf


Translocation:


Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the translocation process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements can be translocated through the phloem. Immobile elements cant be translocated and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.


Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the rootzone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Translocation is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc. "....so what i take off this is that NPK are all mobile and can move all over the plant, up down,side to side, in out, round and round. These are the MAIN ingredients in our fertilizer and the ones wed like to remove right? Right? Also, flushing (in theory) induces blabla five lines above....this isnt a theory. No nutes means deficiency, fact, thats an easy one, then the plant starts shuffleing its stored nutes around, up down, in OUT, round and round.
Then it adds that vacuoles store salts, translocation is possible, bla bla, some trace elements are immoble, but again the main elements are. This is the only real evidence in this whole pile of crap and it doesnt even make a difinitive point, the rest is about, drowning plants, drying, curing, chocolate and fermenting apples.....who cares..post this data in the farm report.

Then flush arguement kinda sounds like its writen by somone selling flushing solution but has some good points and mentions a key selling word..SAFETY. This word sells anything. Mention that to a pregnant woman and shell buy whatevers infront of her regardless of cost. This thread is about flushing or not flushing plants, started by someone who did a short flush instead of a longer flush. Everyone thats checking this thread wants to learn about flushing but theres no one posting RELEVENT facts. Just a bunch of reeeeeetards posting"I always flush the toilet.....absolute genius!! So what you mean is you have nothing important to add, no facts to mention, and you think if the same joke gets told a million times i keeps getting funnier. I hope that this pisses some people off on this thread so maybe we can get some real info up. Im a noob and i can see right through this smoke show. Post some real data and stop telling me about one time in band camp(american pie)when you took a dump and flushed or didnt. Turds. Lol

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See above..lol.. Thers as much to support flushing as not flushing in this, pull out where it says dont flush for me because i cant find it. Im not trying to start a personal arguement with any of you but ive read this three times and its more about drying and curing than flushing. Stop posting it if you cant explain it.

because drying and curing is what controls taste to demonstrate that the flushing does NOTHING but cause deficiencies which screw up the cure...take a reading comprehension skills class dude...you can rinse medium out but NOT the plant

I remember when I was a young noob and got all caught up in this flushing business... Then I wisened up and found out it makes no difference other than starving your plants when they are packing on the most weight.. Dumb dumb dumb dum dummmmm.

stumpjumper said:

I remember when I was a young noob and got all caught up in this flushing business... Then I wisened up and found out it makes no difference other than starving your plants when they are packing on the most weight.. Dumb dumb dumb dum dummmmm.

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Don't we all remember those days thinking that giving our plants nothing but water the last 2 weeks after a nice regime of constant nutes and then bam it's a total shock to our girls the last 2 weeks.

A lot of you new growers don't realize that in the last couple weeks is when the plants almost double in size as it's there last attempt to get some love on those beautiful pistols lol.

All you guys have fun starving your girls while I pack on the weight

ive been telling people for years that the last 2 weeks is way too long to feed just water. most dont listen, stop wasting your breath they will figure it out sooner or later. i myself use sledge hammer with a double watering second to last feeding and phed water the last feeding and my buds fly off the shelf after 1 week in the jar.

wowisuckatthis said:

ive been telling people for years that the last 2 weeks is way too long to feed just water. most dont listen, stop wasting your breath they will figure it out sooner or later. i myself use sledge hammer with a double watering second to last feeding and phed water the last feeding and my buds fly off the shelf after 1 week in the jar.

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What kind of jars do you use?

stumpjumper said:

I remember when I was a young noob and got all caught up in this flushing business... Then I wisened up and found out it makes no difference other than starving your plants when they are packing on the most weight.. Dumb dumb dumb dum dummmmm.

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26.08.2011 - By Little Lebowski
It can mean the difference between a harsh or smooth smoke, a natural or chemical taste and - in some cases - an extra few grams of yield. Flushing is one of the most important parts of your grow; yet is also one of the most overlooked. Let's take a look at this simple, but often misunderstood, technique.


Why Flush?
When cultivating plants using mineral nutrients, the NPK levels within a plant can become unbalanced and excess elements are stored within the tissue of the plant. This is particularly true in the case of cannabis cultivation where additives are given to the plant to trigger a specific reaction or process. For example, after the first two weeks of the flowering period it is common to administer a PK additive to trigger bud development and increase the weight and density of the buds.


Think of the amount of flowering stimulators, catalysts, ignitors and boosters that are available on the market; each proclaiming to be more powerful and concentrated than the last. The high percentage of mineral elements contained in those products, undoubtedly force an increased yield (some incredibly so!), but if they are not flushed out, they will be stored in the plant and affect taste.


End product from plants that have not been flushed can suffer from a ‘chemical' taste, smokers often complain that hydroponically grown weed has a different taste from soil grown, whereas in reality it is likely to have not been flushed properly.


Flushing also affects the ‘burn' of the end product. Next time you're smoking on some dealer-bought weed, take a look at the ash on the end of the joint; if it's been properly flushed, the ash should be light grey, with a fine, powdery texture. Ash created from burning weed that hasn't been flushed will be black, with a much more solid consistency and - in particularly bad cases - can pop and spark as the impurities still contained are ignited. I can recall a particularly nasty batch of commercial dope that crackled and popped so much, it was like toking on a fireworks display!!




For the best end product... flush!
What And When To Flush?
Any plant that has been raised on a mineral feed and additives should be flushed, regardless of the growing method or growing medium used. In pure hydroponic growing methods - like nutrient film technique or aeroponics - plants have constant access to mineral nutrients and, provided the solution in the reservoir is balanced, will constantly take all the elements they need via active uptake. These elements will be stored, in the root zone and plant sap, all the way until harvest.


Plants grown in soil or coco will also store excess elements. The medium around the roots provide a buffer that protects against over fertilisation. So, unlike in hydro where too much nutrient has an immediate effect on the plant, a soil grown plant may show no effects of over feeding, despite having a build-up of minerals around the roots. Therefore, flushing is still necessary.


The exception to the rule is growing on organics. With a mineral nutrient the plants are fed directly, using elements that can be immediately taken up by the plant. With an organic feed, you are feeding the microbes within the soil. These microbes then produce elements that the plant takes up. The plant is not fed directly. As a result, there is no excess of minerals stored in the plant and you can feed until the day you chop.


One other thing to bear in mind is that a flushing product can be used to clear out any mineral build ups that have occurred through over-feeding, at any stage of development - a sort of colonic irrigation for plants! If your girls are starting to show signs of nutrient overdose - crisping at the edge of the leaves for example - use a flushing agent with water in your hydro system or pots. This will minimise the stress caused by the over-feed and aid your plants' recovery.




Black ash means excess minerals are still stored in the bud
How Does A Flush Work?
The simplest method of flushing is to just feed water in the last week or two before harvesting. The lack of elements being fed to the plant forces it to use up the excess elements stored within its tissue. This method is effective, but there is still likely to be some excess minerals left within the plant, particularly if concentrated mineral additives have been used.


There are various flush products on the market, each based on different techniques of removing, or forcing the use of, excess nutrients stored within the plant. These techniques include;


Stress - when the flush is administered it creates a root stress that forces energy in the plant to be expended, therefore using up the excess nutrients stored and ripening the plant at the same time. Some of the flushes that employ this technique are so powerful that they actually destroy the roots of the plant, triggering a survival instinct, forcing all of the energy into reproduction (i.e. the buds).


Mineral Salts - a good technique for pure hydroponic systems where the roots are exposed. Large mineral particles are added to the flushing solution, these particles are too large to be taken up by the plant, but when washed through the roots will attract any excess mineral deposits that have built up and wash them away.


Hormones - flushes containing natural plant hormones will trigger a natural reaction in the plant that forces it to mature and finish. This uses up excess minerals stored and also ripens the fruit, improving quality and yield.


Some of the better flushes on the market use a combination of techniques to get the best result.


Temptation is a dangerous thing for the home grower, from the excited first timer to the seasoned expert; when those buds get ripe, they're hard to resist! Just remember, for a smoother, tastier smoke, it's so worth hanging on that extra week. Trim and smoke a few air buds if you have to, just make sure you flush before you chop the main harvest.


And, don't forget to cure it properly!


Happy flushing!

I grow in hydro, just started, yup, as noob as they get. Dont care, dont much care to get the most weight possible from my plants. Frankly i dont really need anymore money than i have already, i havent worked in years. I just want to grow some great smoke for myself. I grow basil and jalapenos and all sorts of stuff. The other day i tasted my basil for the first time, the plants huge, three feet tall and almost that wide. When i tasted it it tasted like SHIT, complete garbage. Same thing with the lettuce i grew in hydro. Garbage. I threw it out. Then i tried the lettuce that i grew in dirt with organic nutes. Great! Ive eaten five giant heads of lettuce that tasted great, better than the store. I grew tired of mixing nutes for my lettuce so i just fed it water for the last while. So i decided to check out a flushing thread. Wow, seems like everyone has an opinion that is set in stone lmfao. I have a funny feeling that my basil will taste better after a week long flush. My local hydroponic store gets a real kick outta me, i come in and spend thousands on grow equipment to grow basil lettuce and peppers among other things lol but they too recomend a 4-10 day flush in my hydro setup with my inorganic chemical fertilizer, not a 14 day flush. I never put two and two together about the basil until the last couple days of reading. I was leaning tward flushing, i trust my hydro store, and my taste buds. I would never eat food that tastes like crap so why would i smoke somthing thats drinking the same water as somthing that tastes like crap. No way. If the basil still tastes like crap its going in the trash with the hydro setup at the end of this grow and ill go with organics and dirt. Anything that tastes like that souldnt be consumed by anything, not even my ex. Like i said on my posts before i dont much care if i get a gram a watt, i just want the best safest product i can get and that all starts with responsible gardening practices. So ill flush and loose a little weight and smoke smooth tasty flavorfull smoke, not black non burning road flares. Thanxs for all the great info, to each their own

Wow still trying to convince people that flushing is the key? Seriously because you can post some info from some dude from 2011? I've been growing for 7 years and have never had harsh tasting weed or black ash. Mine always burns till the last hit and is light grey as you say is the key but yet I've never flushed. Can you tell me why that is? Oh that's because flushing does nothing for your plant but shocking the shit out of her when you go from nutes her whole life and then just stop out of nowhere and give her plain water.

Think of it this way would you like it if you were fed the same thing every day for months on end and then out of nowhere one day someone stopped feeding you what you were use to and gave you nothing but water? No you wouldn't. A plant is a living organism just like you and I. You have fun starving your girl and thinking that you will have harsh weed just cause you don't flush. Maybe try drying and curing properly.

I am in now way saying feed her heavy clear until the end but don't just stop feeding her at all, that's the worst thing you could do for your babies but hey your right to each their own. Best of luck to you on those small buds

giggles26 said:

Wow still trying to convince people that flushing is the key? Seriously because you can post some info from some dude from 2011? I've been growing for 7 years and have never had harsh tasting weed or black ash. Mine always burns till the last hit and is light grey as you say is the key but yet I've never flushed. Can you tell me why that is? Oh that's because flushing does nothing for your plant but shocking the shit out of her when you go from nutes her whole life and then just stop out of nowhere and give her plain water.

Think of it this way would you like it if you were fed the same thing every day for months on end and then out of nowhere one day someone stopped feeding you what you were use to and gave you nothing but water? No you wouldn't. A plant is a living organism just like you and I. You have fun starving your girl and thinking that you will have harsh weed just cause you don't flush. Maybe try drying and curing properly.

I am in no way saying feed her heavy clear until the end but don't just stop feeding her at all, that's the worst thing you could do for your babies but hey your right to each their own. Best of luck to you on those small buds

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Ill probably get a flushing solution that has a small amount of available nutrients to handle the plants basic needs until it clears out the extra chemicals. Its not my intent to stress my plant, thats one of the reasons i didnt want to flush in the first place. Im on my first grow but i think my buds will be anything but small, my stems are almost as thick as my wrist lol but you might be right what do i know hahahaa.....ha...oh, just wondering, do you use organics and soil, hydro, synthetic, and please, dont give me an answer like, ive done it all. You obviously belive very strongly in your side so your right, whatever your doing works great for you. Im here to learn.

Budgoro88 said:

how is flushing a myth if you flushed 3 days prior to harvest. It is not a myth at all I have tried to feed all the way through and threw over 2 oz into the bubble bags due to harshness burned and crackled when lit black ash clearly taste of chemicals ETC. it also depends what nutrients you use if organic or synthetic but you say its a myth but you still flushed so your experiment is incomplete

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Yick, black ash....

Ninjabowler said:

my stems are almost as thick as my wrist

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I'd really like to see that - can you provide a pic please.

yep...just can't teach the pope

GreatwhiteNorth said:

I'd really like to see that - can you provide a pic please.

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Sure bud, check in tommorow. Theyre sleeping.

GreatwhiteNorth said:

I'd really like to see that - can you provide a pic please.

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Midget wrists?

giggles26 said:

Midget wrists?

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Im not a midget lol far from it lol you seem like your gettin pretty bent outta shape over this lol lets see yours, hold up deuces in the pic.

Ninjabowler said:

Im not a midget lol far from it lol you seem like your gettin pretty bent outta shape over this lol lets see yours, hold up deuces in the pic.

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What am I getting bent out of shape over? Midget wrists? Hmm I'm not quite sure what your wanting me to take a pic of lol.

giggles26 said:

What am I getting bent out of shape over? Midget wrists? Hmm I'm not quite sure what your wanting me to take a pic of lol.

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I dont know you man, you dont know me, but your sayin my budz will be small and that im a midget. Why wouldnt you just outsmart me instead of insult me, youve been growing for 7 years right? Im a noob, you should be layin the scientific smack down on me right now, your a pro. You still never let me know what you use for nutes and your system. I know you dont flush so id guess that its organic and soil. Just a hunch. And take a picture of your wrist sized stalks. Id assume that you have somthing to snap a shot of. Just to make sure its authentic snap it with dueces up...like this.

Old E! Hardcore.

fattiemcnuggins said:

Old E! Hardcore.

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Lmao ya buddy, were playin poker later and its going to be a good night. Everyones comin after work, they got the patron, i take theirmoney every weekend, almost...

Ninjabowler said:

I dont know you man, you dont know me, but your sayin my budz will be small and that im a midget. Why wouldnt you just outsmart me instead of insult me, youve been growing for 7 years right? Im a noob, you should be layin the scientific smack down on me right now, your a pro. You still never let me know what you use for nutes and your system. I know you dont flush so id guess that its organic and soil. Just a hunch. And take a picture of your wrist sized stalks. Id assume that you have somthing to snap a shot of. Just to make sure its authentic snap it with dueces up...like this.

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I never said that you were a midget. Pretty sure it was a joke but ok? I'm saying that flushing the last 2 weeks when your plants are in their final push and when they put on the most weight that it's best not to starve them.

You want to know what I use for nutes? Ok I use dyna gro grow,bloom,protekt. That's it. As far as my soil I use Roots Organics. Which room do you want the system info from? My veg room? Flower room? Mother Room? Clones? What do you want? I'm not exactly sure what your asking for here and of course I have something to take a picture of. I said midget wrists because you said your stalks were as big as your wrist and if they are by all means congrats but that's one big fucking stalk!

What science smack down do you want me to lay? The fact that you can't ever fully flush the nutrients out of plant but you can take them out of the soil in return taking a plant from a complete feeding to straight water will do nothing but starve your girls and start all kinds of deficiencies and shit you don't want in the final pull of your plant. The last 2 weeks is when it can double if not triple in weight and size and feeding them straight water will shock them and they will spend more time trying to repair themselves. Sure is there still nutes in the plant that it can pull from? Yes it sure can but why stress the plant out and make it pull everything from the plant? The power of the plant comes from the root system. Keep your root system fed well and happy and you will have a happy girl. It's not about what above the soil looks like, it's what's beneath that makes the plant. I can't believe this thread is really still going honestly. If you don't want to flush then don't do it and if you do think flushing is great then do it. It's not really going to make a difference to me and I'm tired of seeing the same thing posted over and over.

If you guys really want to learn something go pick up a book where you know the info is legit instead of online where someone can post any bs that they want. I'm willing to answer anything you want bro if your wanting to learn but in no way was I trying demean you or make you feel inferior and sound like I know it all because by all means I think I can learn something new everyday.

Best wishes to you and whatever you decide to do