I rest my case!!!!

I have the solution...

Legalize MJ...

Allow Texas, portions of California, Arizona, and New Mexico to the Mexicans and let them succeed from the Union (most of them have wanted it for over a hundred years anyway) and the let the border states be the 'military front' against the Mexican mafia.

That way those of us not on border states can have our legal MJ and the border states that wanted to leave the Union anyway can deal with their borders and let everyone else live in peace.

Yes I'm being completely sarcastic.

If MJ were legalized, decriminalized, or medicinalized nation wide there would simply be too many 'targets' for the cartels. They wouldn't have a 'single' target or point of blame other than the US government, and they have to stand in line to blame the US government as many many other people have dibs in the blame line.

IF and I say IF they had the testicular matter required to do a full terrorist type attack it would last ... once. Even with 'Love peace and Hair-Grease' Obama in office, our government would gladly turn Mexico into a bombed wasteland if they pulled a 9/11. It wouldn't be pretty but it would happen.

The bottom line is that prohibition creates violence. We saw it in Miami in the 80's with coke, we're seeing it today in Mexico with all drugs, and the bottom line is that there's a common thread in both cases. Latin culture gangs fighting over market dominanace. In Miami it was Cubans vs. Columbians. Now it's Mexicans on Mexicans.

My question here is who exactly would deal with a latin conneted to ANY of these countries known for their violent tendencies in this buisness? I certainly wouldn't. I'm not being racist, just pragmatic.

If the apple stores suddenly started practicing ritual murders to dominate the market over Microsoft I'm pretty sure that direct patronage of Apple Stores would stop completely.

Under the theory that ANYONE who cuts into the drug cartel profit is a target, then every single grower on this forum is 'technically' a target of cartels WITHOUT legalization.

How many cartel people have shot up medical mj stores in CA? Anyone have a statistic on that?

-RT76

olosto said:

You were not very clear on what the question was.....

#1 Legalization would hurt or cripple the med Mj doc fo sho! lol Other than that is would create its own industry that would boost Agriculture, hydroponics, retail sales in general because it would be sold everywhere...

#2 You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.. I already answered this, see previous post.. lol

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DUDE will you not even speak of what it would do to the tobacco and alcohol industries? the hydropnic business would boom and competition would drive prices on nutes and everything down, BUT why grow hydro if its legal everyone knows better tasting bud comes from soil, AND yes i do believe MOST pot smokers would start growing a few plant as opposed to giving more back to the government, you must live off what you grow or must still live with your mommy, do you see how much the governtment takes out of your paycheck already? or do you not get a check?
Fuck them and their medical taxed weed, we would grow our own cause we already are!!! good luck on living in fantasy land, here in the real world we know what would happen if we legalized pot!!!

RetiredToker76 said:

I have the solution...

Legalize MJ...

Allow Texas, portions of California, Arizona, and New Mexico to the Mexicans and let them succeed from the Union (most of them have wanted it for over a hundred years anyway) and the let the border states be the 'military front' against the Mexican mafia.

That way those of us not on border states can have our legal MJ and the border states that wanted to leave the Union anyway can deal with their borders and let everyone else live in peace.

Yes I'm being completely sarcastic.

If MJ were legalized, decriminalized, or medicinalized nation wide there would simply be too many 'targets' for the cartels. They wouldn't have a 'single' target or point of blame other than the US government, and they have to stand in line to blame the US government as many many other people have dibs in the blame line.

IF and I say IF they had the testicular matter required to do a full terrorist type attack it would last ... once. Even with 'Love peace and Hair-Grease' Obama in office, our government would gladly turn Mexico into a bombed wasteland if they pulled a 9/11. It wouldn't be pretty but it would happen.

The bottom line is that prohibition creates violence. We saw it in Miami in the 80's with coke, we're seeing it today in Mexico with all drugs, and the bottom line is that there's a common thread in both cases. Latin culture gangs fighting over market dominanace. In Miami it was Cubans vs. Columbians. Now it's Mexicans on Mexicans.

My question here is who exactly would deal with a latin conneted to ANY of these countries known for their violent tendencies in this buisness? I certainly wouldn't. I'm not being racist, just pragmatic.

If the apple stores suddenly started practicing ritual murders to dominate the market over Microsoft I'm pretty sure that direct patronage of Apple Stores would stop completely.

Under the theory that ANYONE who cuts into the drug cartel profit is a target, then every single grower on this forum is 'technically' a target of cartels WITHOUT legalization.

How many cartel people have shot up medical mj stores in CA? Anyone have a statistic on that?

-RT76

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i agree 100% accept i think we would create a vacuum of criminals out of work and that would lead to a rise in other crimes, whether it would be smuggling harder drugs or gangs extorting people or whathave you, i agree there wouldnt be a direct target to attack persay, i just believe the US itself would be a target for other organized crimes to offset their losses!! as i said living in a border town, you see things are getting bad already as they are fighting over the lucrative drug trade, if that trade is made less lucrative, id say we would pay in other areas!!
they wont go back to selling sombreros to tourists at the cruise terminals

wontime said:

DUDE will you not even speak of what it would do to the tobacco and alcohol industries?



good luck on living in fantasy land, here in the real world we know what would happen if we legalized pot!!!

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Because it would do nothing to those industries (Sips beer).... Tobacco MFG's would get into pot production like stink on shit... Oops you cought me there. It will at least increase the tobacco industry if it chose to get involved. I mean, if its was legal why would they not?


I believe it is you my friend that is living in a fantasy land. You have quite the perspective tho...

wontime said:

i agree 100% accept i think we would create a vacuum of criminals out of work and that would lead to a rise in other crimes,

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Yea, a vacuum of criminals in MEXICO. Surely your not talking about the American black market?? Prohibition shows us that its better to tax and violent crime goes waaaaay down legal..

olosto said:

Because it would do nothing to those industries (Sips beer).... Tobacco MFG's would get into pot production like stink on shit... Oops you cought me there. It will at least increase the tobacco industry if it chose to get involved. I mean, if its was legal why would they not?


I believe it is you my friend that is living in a fantasy land. You have quite the perspective tho...

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why would they not? who would buy it? would you buy a pack of government scwag for 5 bucks? or would you grow or know a grower?

im not wasting anymore lemon haze on your mexican bagseed ass@!!

olosto said:

Yea, a vacuum of criminals in MEXICO. Surely your not talking about the American black market?? Prohibition shows us that its better to tax and violent crime goes waaaaay down legal..

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how hard is it to cross the border man, you are a friggin moron, do you have access to a globe? what would mexican criminals steal in mexico, when the US is across the street and then its back home for tequila and fajitas!!! its not like mexico is over by australia dude, i can hit it with a good 9 iron shot@!@

wontime said:

why would they not? who would buy it? would you buy a pack of government scwag for 5 bucks? or would you grow or know a grower?

im not wasting anymore lemon haze on your mexican bagseed ass@!!

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Who says you have to buy it from the Govt? Why would they even get involved in production. No, it would be most likely big tobacco, and it would be good shit im sure. Otherwise you will buy from the next guy with the better shit. Im sure there would be $5 packs of joints and $50 packs of joints. Would I grow, hmmm. Hard to say I would stop growing honestly. I would probablly have a go at Growing, Marketing, and selling my own variety of "connousieur" MJ. Wouldn't you?

Thats making jobs right thur!!!! US jobs!!! American jobs!!! Jobs for wontime and olosto alike! lolol

wontime said:

how hard is it to cross the border man, you are a friggin moron, do you have access to a globe? what would mexican criminals steal in mexico, when the US is across the street and then its back home for tequila and fajitas!!! its not like mexico is over by australia dude, i can hit it with a good 9 iron shot@!@

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I guess you missed the post where I said I have lived a 9 iron from mexico. Yea, it sucks that the crime comes over the border. I really think it should be a much tighter border. If you are saying its too easy to cross, then I agree mang! But I will not live in fear of criminals and base my views according to that fear. Thats whats happening in Mexico now. People are afraid and shit has gotten so outta hand they cant stand up anymore.

Besides we already agreed that mexican drug cartels are not going to close up shop. They will simply take it to more lucerative markets. It will make their trade a little more difficult, but not much. Cartels already have the transport in and out of gateways like mexico (cocaine made futher south...). It will change their opperations but they will still do business. Profit margins will be tighter but the cartels already make more $$ than they know what to do with, especially considering the cost of living in Mexico and South America..

Hey don't waste your buzz on this thread if it pisses you off.. Were just sharing our points of view and debating it, its no thing...

This is like saying, why dont people make there own beer, wine, strawberrys, pineapple, tomatoes, berrys, ANYTHING and sell it..yeah theres some people who do but the majority of it is bought from stores. Not alot of people have a greenthumb or have the time buddy. Plus in the winter people cant grow outside and probly wont wanna spend all this time and money setting up growrooms inside. Your looking at this at a unlikly angle and you are wrong.

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This is like saying, why dont people make there own beer, wine, strawberrys, pineapple, tomatoes, berrys, ANYTHING and sell it..yeah theres some people who do but the majority of it is bought from stores. Not alot of people have a greenthumb or have the time buddy. Plus in the winter people cant grow outside and probly wont wanna spend all this time and money setting up growrooms inside. Your looking at this at a unlikly angle and you are wrong.

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so all the great growers who win the cannabis cup every year, they wouldnt have a chance in the market place? it would be all big tobaccos money? ok, i personally know how easy it is to grow good weed so i would grow for me and mine, as far as the people who keep throwing tomatoes potatos and strawberries and etc.................. i dont go through an ounce of them every week not to mention the area it takes to farm a field as opposed to growing youw own smoke dude be real

So why do dispensaries in cali make so much money?

i have to admit, i am wrong in the since that there couldnt possibly be a retail market if weed were lgalized here in the US, if done like in amsterdam and with all the strains out there even growers would probably buy other strains just to have a variety, i got caught up in the fact that i grow so why would i pay and pay tax on it?
but i stick to my guns about legal weed would hurt the tobacco and alcohol industries, and the fact that we would see an influx of mexican criminals and more crime to offset the loss of the pot trade in mexico!

I think your right in that big tobacco is not going to put the best stuff, and this leaves me hopeful that one day to create my own "Micro brewery" if you will, when it becomes legal.. People already do this in Cali for the med population.

olosto said:

I think your right in that big tobacco is not going to put the best stuff, and this leaves me hopeful that one day to create my own "Micro brewery" if you will, when it becomes legal.. People already do this in Cali for the med population.

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IF it become leagal

jahman2222 said:

IF it become leagal

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yeah..

Faith..

wontime said:

i have to admit, i am wrong in the since that there couldnt possibly be a retail market if weed were lgalized here in the US, if done like in amsterdam and with all the strains out there even growers would probably buy other strains just to have a variety, i got caught up in the fact that i grow so why would i pay and pay tax on it?
but i stick to my guns about legal weed would hurt the tobacco and alcohol industries, and the fact that we would see an influx of mexican criminals and more crime to offset the loss of the pot trade in mexico!

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I do see your point of an increase of crime, i just think if the cartels were smart enough they would let it go and countiune there business with other drugs. Blood is bad for business, they obviously havent learned that.

Well from a non serious stand point, I think the mexicans should grow and dry their pot, with a good cure and see how much we bitch then. Talk about balancing out the price market. And whats up with the coke from days of old! Send some of that shit to the middle aged people that like to party on the weekends and hollidays. Not for the crackheads Just the guys that like to smoke some dandy herb and kick back on a 4 day weekend with a pretty lady or cool lady, a eightball and some fantastic herb and viagra. Hey, you gotta die from something ok. Just dreaming out loud.

wontime said:

i agree 100% accept i think we would create a vacuum of criminals out of work and that would lead to a rise in other crimes, whether it would be smuggling harder drugs or gangs extorting people or whathave you, i agree there wouldnt be a direct target to attack persay, i just believe the US itself would be a target for other organized crimes to offset their losses!! as i said living in a border town, you see things are getting bad already as they are fighting over the lucrative drug trade, if that trade is made less lucrative, id say we would pay in other areas!!
they wont go back to selling sombreros to tourists at the cruise terminals

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Your right, the major cartel and mafia leaders would market in something else. Drug smuggling is only a SMALL portion of their business. The common black market item these days, down in that area, is primarily kidnapping and human trafficking. Those are quite lucrative in the Mexican areas, but they also come with insanely high risk. So drug smuggling is tame in comparison, at least for the organizations. If smuggling, growing, distributing failed to be profitable they'd move on to another black market item that generated cash flow. There's be minor direct backlash on the local level, but that would be tiny in the grand scheme of the damage caused by these cartels.

Then there'd be a new 'fear' tactic enacted by the government. For the last 100 years there's been a war on 'something' that has kept the American people in 'line' with what the government wants. I think we'll see legalization because Washington is loosing it's credibility in continuing to finance the war on drugs with our tax dollars (from beginning investigation to incarceration the .gov is making money, but they're figuring out we're on to their scheme.) If they continue this and more Tommy Chongs and Ron Whites ( 7/8 of a g ... common!) come out of the wood work the government will be left with little choice because they'll get a unviersal 'WTF' from the people. The media is getting too 'pro' legalization because of the money the advertisers are making from us watching things like Weeds and aka_Tommy Chong. The government knows it's lost the war on drugs but also the brain washing policies they've been running for 70 years.) They government will cave, it's happening everywhere.

The criminals will move on to other endeavors that are probably equally illegal and more stomach churning to us than their current actions. Then we'll have the war on that, whilch will allow the government to control our fears adequately and turn a dime from our tax dollars. I don't care which party is in office, the .5% of the population that holds the money knows that they can't hold on to this one much longer. Failing policies have historically exposed the worse profiteers of unjust actions, see Oliver North.

It will end and things will remain status quo, normal is NOT an accurate description. Hardcore criminals will move on, mid level home grower american producers will probably open a legal shop (if they were smart enough to save profits.)

At the end of the day ending prohibition will reduce violent crime in the streets over dealer turf wars and big guy - little guy battles. Lives will be saved and money will be saved and earned. The major cartels and mafias will move on and remain the same, we won't notice much difference other than a new crime to be afraid of.

-RT76