I Need Some Fucking Help

Serapis said:

You, good sir, are the hostile environment. I've already had to report 3 posts in which you call people idiots or make other insults to them, and I JUST met you online about 15 minutes ago? that is a great track record you have going.

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You told on me? Are we 5?

...bottom line...

...consider a small bundle of celery. what happens when you leave it out, or in the fridge to long? it gets rubbery and droopy (which is what is happening here) from lack of water. After you put the celery into a cup of water - what happens? it hydrates and stiffens up; which saves your plant!!! Leave it in to minutes longer, you start to flush and the celery turns pale and the water it sits in becomes greenish...

...truth be told you need more water, but not to the point where you are starting to flush...

still pretty sure watering it thoroughly would help...
it's all noodle like...no support in the stems
...ever dry a stem? it's nearly all water. they flop around without it.

i see the point of asking about a flush though....it's the simplest way to get a newb to heavily water a plant that needs water in my eyes...
since newbs always see "FLUSH! PH! FLUSH! PH!", they are much more likely to do it.
look how long it took just to get one to lift a damn container for example.
...and we STILL have no idea since he apparently never tried until now and can't actually tell the difference between it soaked and bone dry

That's funny, I was going to ask you that very same question when I ran up on your 3rd post calling someone an idiot....

cervezacorona said:

You told on me? Are we 5?

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Flushing leeches soil of nutrients and PH buffers and should only be done in an emergency to save plants, or right before harvest. Suggesting a flush for a simple watering issue is ill advised and only creates more confusion for new growers, who should NOT be flushing or leeching soil to resolve under watering.

ChubbySoap said:

still pretty sure watering it thoroughly would help...
it's all noodle like...no support in the stems
...ever dry a stem? it's nearly all water. they flop around without it.

i see the point of asking about a flush though....it's the simplest way to get a newb to heavily water a plant that needs water in my eyes...
since newbs always see "FLUSH! PH! FLUSH! PH!", they are much more likely to do it.
look how long it took just to get one to lift a damn container for example.
...and we STILL have no idea since he apparently never tried until now and can't actually tell the difference between it soaked and bone dry

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SlimTastic said:

I need some help as my plant is drying and trying to get it back to life with what I got

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Hey Slim, read the whole thread and the guys who have said under watering are right, your last pics show the drying of the leaves from the tips and the drooping is classic. Also every picture you show has a little bit of moisture around the stem but nowhere around the rest of the pot. By now the roots would have occupied that area of the soil. Water it till there is a run off, wait for that to end and then put her back under enough light, by the evening she will be fine....hopefully, if not get back on here!!

PS. I suggest using a lighter medium next time, John Innes no.3 is not really your best option. Rather ditch it in future.

Hope this helps.

what is a heavy watering called out of curiosity?

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Seriously folks....near as i can tell, the only way i have EVER 'watered' my plants, you peeps define as a 'flush'...
and my plants are just fine....

is the term 'flush' totally dependent on intent of results alone?
I should know these things

Ok so looking at it again after how much water you said you were giving, dont measure it in cups or whatever, give them plenty of water thouroughly throughout the soil (that parts important) until you get water coming out the drainage hole at the bottom and no soil is left looking dry. Now once the water stops running out the bottom (a tray or something under the pot helps), lift it up and feel how heavy it is. That'll give you a rough idea of what it weighs when its "watered" (Common sense applys here obviously, the plant will get heavier over time). Now just leave the plant and dont water until the pot feels (relatively speaking) light again. When it does thouroughly apply water as above and you'll be rock and roll.

EDIT: It'd also help if you opened up any soil you want to use with some perlite, you can usually buy a large enough bag of it in any garden center/DIY store and make your soil around 15-20 perlite. Lets your roots breathe.

soil looks tight .try a couple drops of dawn dish soap to your water next time.it will help water get threw that tight soil.

It appears as though a discussion of flushing is now going to be needed, even though it has nothing to do with the original's thread topic of discussion. If you want to play with semantics, let's break it down, and you define heavy watering. Watering is watering. You can over do it, and you can under do it. Flushing on the other hand, involves running 3-5 times the volume of water through the media, leeching out salts, nutrients and PH buffers. You are basically making the soil inert. The purpose of flushing, is to save plants that have been over fed and are dying, or to remove salt build ups that can also kill a plant. The only other reason to leech your soil is you are approaching a harvest, and wish to leech nasty tasting chemicals out of the soil.

Does that clear up the issue of flushing a bit? It isn't a cure for under watering. Flushing means to leech the soil.... by suggesting a flush for a watering issue, every other new grower that sees that will become confused wit what they saw in a grow guide or on a DVD or read here elsewhere. Because the noob asked if the plant was flushed, we are now sidetracked and having a discussion that will not aid the original poster.

ChubbySoap said:

what is a heavy watering called out of curiosity?

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close this thread please, the answer has been said about ten times now, it's getting pretty tedious.

I say its under watered look at the dirt its dry with a water circle around the base of the plant thats wet. That water circle dont look like it made it to any part of the roots. I water my plant 1 gallon of water and dont have to water it for almost a week or even more at times and my plants are lush and full. Like tha man said pick your pot up if it is heavy then its over watered if it is light then plz water it.

so slim how's it lookin?

ghb said:

close this thread please, the answer has been said about ten times now, it's getting pretty tedious.

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I dont even know what the one guy is even getting mad all he did was put his head down and walk away... Not one bad word was said until he did.

I thought RIU said no one under 18 in here?

i get it now, it's an april fools joke that got way out of hand. just water the damn thing and look after it properly.

i say again i'm ignorant...so sorry to side track you.

clearly only the intent of the results separate flushing from a heavy watering
thank you for clarifying.

i still think the plant should be watered heavily....but do not flush it

It should be watered properly, not heavily....

And the side tracking was not your fault at all... the htread was side tracked on the earlier topic of flushing that was brought up out of the blue.

ChubbySoap said:

i say again i'm ignorant...so sorry to side track you.

clearly only the intent of the results separate flushing from a heavy watering
thank you for clarifying.

i still think the plant should be watered heavily....but do not flush it

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i still think that particular discussion WILL aid this new grower....he's new....



honest injun even...

Have a great day

ChubbySoap said:

i still think that particular discussion WILL aid this new grower....he's new....



honest injun even...

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Cheers guys you've help out more than you think i'll get back to you in a couple of days and let you know of the out-come cheers peps?